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  • March 19, 2020, 8:46 PM
    suspiciouscrow

    Re: Could Incels have any common ground with MGTOW?

    Some food* for thought:

    1. The average boy/young man is quite likely to be an incel at some point, due to the 80/20 rule.
    2. It can be hard to define a hard cutoff between incel and volcel. One may be a volcel because the difficulty of getting sex is so incredibly high as to not be worth it, but very difficult and impossible are close to each other.
    3. Regrettably, a lot of incels are just self-pitying and choose to think of themselves as societies only victims rather than understanding the broader picture. If nothing else.

    *Low quality food that doesn't even taste good. Like a takeaway from a backend kebab shop that always has weird looking stuff in the bins out back.
  • March 3, 2020, 2:40 PM
    mgtower

    Re: Could Incels have any common ground with MGTOW?

    Incels don't see the cock carousel, hypergamy, the law, and all the other liabilities that drive us to vcels (voluntary celibate). You'll may as well try convince me that wiping my dick on public toilets is safe and sanitary!

    Hypergamy is when the toilet gets up off your dick and settles down on another!

    The cock carousel is a broader picture of hypergamy.

    Society encourage both in the name of equality.

    Equally depraved is the actuality of female equality, in other words, tear down the righteous and feed them to the unrighteous.

    Abstaining from this modern dynamic is voluntary celibacy, a cautionary mindset , ignoring it and still willing to peruse females (under these conditions) to satisfy sexual desires, and then having to go without, is the definition of an incel.

    The number of walking talking toilets I turned down is slowly catching up the the number of toilets I didn't!

    I've retired from women, if you ask me, it's better than retiring from work! I took an early retirement from women and from there on, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness has gone totally uninterrupted! The best years of my life were from my mid 30's on, after I was done wasting life's finite time on women! I was like a bird freed from a cage, never to return!

    Being single all my life has given me lots of experience with different women, in each of them I found traces of narcissism, bitterness, resentment, insecurity (big time), rebellion, and betrayal. Eventually you learn or die trying. I'm a fast learner!
  • March 3, 2020, 1:02 PM
    chbedok

    Re: Could Incels have any common ground with MGTOW?

    I would say no common ground. But mostly because an Incel doesn't really wanna change. The brooding and self-pity is comfortable, and no advice will get the incel off his butt and away from the obsession with women. If the incels won't accept good advice to change, then there can be no common ground due to difference in points of view.
  • December 4, 2019, 12:42 PM
    frog

    Re: Could Incels have any common ground with MGTOW?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unboxxed View Post
    I just banned a registrant today who showed up because he was banned from incels.net for declaring himself Chad and/or blue pill (depending on which of his posts I read there). Somehow he thought he'd be welcome here.

    Anyway, in reading a bit there, the comportment of the membership is so different from ours. As a Mod, I'd feel like Sidney Poitier in To Sir With Love.
    Call yourself Chad on an incel site and wonder why you got banned? Then the pay phone gives you the bums rush. Having a bad day are we? The whole web out there, and this guy cant find a home? Should he be proud, or ashamed? Do you suppose lower than whaleshit .com will have him?
  • December 3, 2019, 9:27 PM
    mgtower

    Re: Could Incels have any common ground with MGTOW?

    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post
    Well said. In order to authentic and real, you need to have skin in the game.
    How many times have we been mind-raped by female gas lighting and appalling behavior? How many times must one be deceived before he's incapable of trusting? What apex of shocking events does it take before we throw in the towel and walk away? Why rinse and repeat when we don't have to get dunked in the first place? I see my sovereignty as something that takes preemptive actions to preserve, two steps ahead and rounding the corner is where I like to be!
  • December 3, 2019, 9:15 PM
    Opaque

    Re: Could Incels have any common ground with MGTOW?

    Incels are outside the fire with healthy unblemished skin, therefore they have no skin in the game and don't belong here.
    Well said. In order to authentic and real, you need to have skin in the game.
  • December 3, 2019, 12:34 PM
    mgtower

    Re: Could Incels have any common ground with MGTOW?

    MGTOW are not porcupines toward women, we're the pin cushions with a thousand little holes and not one needle to be found. We're the camels with broken backs, we know through experience from living in the enemies camp, the MATRIX that was created all around us through 15+ decades of changing of order.

    Our rightful place in this society is on another timeline in an alter-universe where the men form generations past did not take their eyes off the ball by treating women as equals, and in this process did not lost their (our) magistracy over the world around us that took eons to create. Instead of that timeline we're on one that (in a moment) can capture and enslave us, not figuratively, but actually, literally!

    All the jackboots are to control men, while women make a total mess of the place, and meanwhile the MGHOW, simply detaches and goes his own way, literally, he finds ways of non compliance in silent and undermining ways, we're the termites in a neglected home that's been allowed to deteriorate and degenerate past the point of no return.

    We look around us and all we see is social rubble and desperation that's off the charts, I literally have to avoid them and all contact or opinions that trigger them into confrontation, the fastest way to get a cop in your face is through contact with the modern reformed female human creature. We recognize them as being the most venomous of snakes, and it's not our intention or duty to spend our lives, fortunes, and existence learning how be a snake charmer for the sake of the snakes survival!

    Incels can't begin to contemplate what we see plain as day! You have to go through the fire to know what it means to be burnt, there's no way to explain it unless you feel it and went through the flames, for some it's a brush, while for others they're incinerated and everything in between.

    Incels are outside the fire with healthy unblemished skin, therefore they have no skin in the game and don't belong here.
  • December 2, 2019, 11:28 PM
    MGTOWFOREVER

    Re: Could Incels have any common ground with MGTOW?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chevelle's Punchline View Post
    https://saidit.net/s/Incels/

    To make a long story short, I stumbled upon a cadre of incels-- who having fled reddit are now in the midst of forming a new community. They've expressed a desire to make contact with MGTOW, but I've held back pointing them to this space due to the general zaniness in their movement (i.e. constant infighting by calling each other cucks, trying to draw attention to themselves and play chicken with the Feds by calling serial killers 'saints')

    In that sense they come across as young and stupid-- but one thing I find puzzling is how they draw many of their memes and lingo from "blackpill science". Their wikis tend to be well-organized, and there seems to be a fair amount of crossover with redpill knowledge (they just react to it differently-- their focus seems to be more on copes and physiognomy).

    https://incels.wiki/w/Main_Page

    I'm just wondering if you guys have any opinions on this schism between MGTOW and Incel. Have you experienced any Incel "invasions"-- and do you think there's any chance for RedPill/BlackPill integration, or are the philosophies too different?

    It was (not) nice knowing you Chevelle's Punchline. I am going to end your career.

    To make a long story short, I stumbled upon a cadre of incels-- who having fled reddit are now in the midst of forming a new community. They've expressed a desire to make contact with MGTOW, but I've held back pointing them to this space due to the general zaniness in their movement (i.e. constant infighting by calling each other cucks, trying to draw attention to themselves and play chicken with the Feds by calling serial killers 'saints')
    It annoys me when people compare incels to MGTOW. There is no relation at all. Incels are whiny bitches that never even talked to a woman but blame all their problems on women. Women have ignored them so they think if they burn their toast in the morning its a woman's fault. They put pussy on a pedestal and expect to be rewarded for that. MGTOW is for men who have opened their eyes to not just women's but society's bias against them. After being screwed over time & time again, MGTOW realized its best to go our own thing. We don't care about women. We don't care about society. We wish no ill will on anyone. Go win the lottery for all we care. We do our own thing and we are happier.

    It's wrong to hate or advocate it. The idiots that call these mass serial killer shooters that are all over the news "saints" are fucked in the head. Someone has to be really sick in the head to want to go out & hurt people they don't even know.

    Playing Chicken with law enforcement is retarded. You can't win. It's like that YouTuber HateTheState. He taunted people with his bullshit free speech audit videos. Look at him now. He is in prison cause his house was raided and found to have many many guns. The idiot was probably another mass shooter in the making.

    Chevelle's Punchline , so in conclusion, I went easy on you. But if you come around here posting stupid bullshit like this again then I just won't end your career. I'll run your troll ass out of town.
  • December 2, 2019, 8:30 PM
    Opaque

    Re: Could Incels have any common ground with MGTOW?

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    The definition of incel states "involuntary celibate", I don't see any common ground whatsoever, it leads me to believe incels are morbid in some way, simps in some way, grossly shy, or infatuated over women and can't be themselves, the definition alone tells me they have no control over who they are and how they come across to the opposing gender.

    MGTOW is a lifestyle that's chosen, incel is a lifestyle that's dictated in one form or another, be it physical, psychological, or a combination of both, they're trapped no matter how you slice it, more so psychological than physical, only because I've seen some pretty grotesque dudes with some damned ugly faces pick up or date some pretty good looking women, you'd have to be morbidly grotesque with odor gland and bad breath problems to blame it all on physical!

    There's no comparison between MGTOW and incels, we recognize the worthlessness of marriage and romance and the dangers it inherently brings, incels have no experience with women and don't understand their nature and the games they play.

    All I do is think things through to get an idea where I'll be on the other side, and that alone is one on of many psychological beacons that guide me. I like my hull in deep charted waters, not barrier reefs!
    The reason Incels are anti-MGTOW and will never be accepted into our fold is the same reason why BP, Tradcons and other groups will never be accepted.

    They look at the world through the female perspective.

    Incel: I cannot get laid and women should be obliged to open their legs for me.
    Tradcon: If I work hard, shower and brush my teeth, women will become attracted to me.
    Blue Piller: I am such a nice guy, why are women not interested in me?

    And so on. You get the picture.

    MGTOW never references women. It is a very small part of the whole - the entirety of the gynocentric system which we are making a conscious choice to refute.

    MGTOW always look at issues through their own individual lens. That is why we do not need a leader, or have to rely on Dogma. MGTOW is actually quite dynamic and is very helpful for critical thinking skills.
  • December 2, 2019, 4:24 PM
    mgtower

    Re: Could Incels have any common ground with MGTOW?

    Quote Originally Posted by Azure Nomad View Post
    Common ground is walking away from the plantation. That is the starting point for releasing the anger with the lies we were all taught at a very young age. In my humble opinion all paths lead to mgtow sooner or later.
    The definition of incel states "involuntary celibate", I don't see any common ground whatsoever, it leads me to believe incels are morbid in some way, simps in some way, grossly shy, or infatuated over women and can't be themselves, the definition alone tells me they have no control over who they are and how they come across to the opposing gender.

    MGTOW is a lifestyle that's chosen, incel is a lifestyle that's dictated in one form or another, be it physical, psychological, or a combination of both, they're trapped no matter how you slice it, more so psychological than physical, only because I've seen some pretty grotesque dudes with some damned ugly faces pick up or date some pretty good looking women, you'd have to be morbidly grotesque with odor gland and bad breath problems to blame it all on physical!

    There's no comparison between MGTOW and incels, we recognize the worthlessness of marriage and romance and the dangers it inherently brings, incels have no experience with women and don't understand their nature and the games they play.

    All I do is think things through to get an idea where I'll be on the other side, and that alone is one on of many psychological beacons that guide me. I like my hull in deep charted waters, not barrier reefs!
  • December 2, 2019, 3:44 PM
    Azure Nomad

    Re: Could Incels have any common ground with MGTOW?

    Common ground is walking away from the plantation. That is the starting point for releasing the anger with the lies we were all taught at a very young age. In my humble opinion all paths lead to mgtow sooner or later.
  • December 1, 2019, 10:36 PM
    Unboxxed

    Re: Could Incels have any common ground with MGTOW?

    I just banned a registrant today who showed up because he was banned from incels.net for declaring himself Chad and/or blue pill (depending on which of his posts I read there). Somehow he thought he'd be welcome here.

    Anyway, in reading a bit there, the comportment of the membership is so different from ours. As a Mod, I'd feel like Sidney Poitier in To Sir With Love.
  • November 29, 2019, 11:10 PM
    rkspsm

    Re: Could Incels have any common ground with MGTOW?

    Stealing the format from Opaque's post above..

    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    I still find a fine woman in a bikini very enticing.
    I do too, and I find them without bikini even more enticing. Heck, I practiced lot of anatomy drawing from porn !

    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    I however do not have the knowledge or wisdom on how to get her from the beach into my bed.
    Same here, just like I do not have the knowledge or wisdom to entice a rattle snake or cobra to my bed. Gee I wonder why I never bothered to learn it... sounds like a useful skill to have !!

    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    I do view women as a hinderance to my very happiness.
    Uhh, this problem I dont have cuz, dont know where you live, but where I am from, I have legal right to prevent any random woman (or man) from intruding my house and disrupting my work or happiness or whatever. And for some weird reason, they dont seem to go through all the trouble of breaking down the door and gate of my house, just to become hindrance to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    I think they are essentially evil
    Where I live, quite a lot of people, both men and women, are essentially evil.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    if a girl in a bikini asked me into bed would I refuse.Probably not.
    I wouldnt either, its just that I'll tell her that she goes to her own bed in her own house or wherever, and I go to my bed in my house.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    Is an incel just an immature form of Mgtow.
    And here I am.. making an immature post...

    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    I really wonder if women can feel love in the same way a man can.
    Cant say about women, but I cant feel that either...

    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    Can she truly be happy waking up next to her man or is she just a woken serpent.
    Again, cant say about women. I'll DEFINITELY not be happy waking up to anyone or anything, unless its my lovely computer, which I sometimes use to make asinine posts on internet.
  • November 29, 2019, 7:48 PM
    Opaque

    Re: Could Incels have any common ground with MGTOW?

    Despite being quite open minded, laissez faire, easy going etc incels are one group that still awakens the fury because why?.....why are you?
    The amount of good things going on in this world, and incels insist that they have a right to a woman.

    Neither does a woman have a right to a man's wallet, attention, even friendly conversation on the bus.

    If we give rights to this or that group, then we need to give rights to other groups to make it fair - and we know the world just doesn't work like that - so best to not give anyone any rights.

    No one has rights, rights do not exist. The truth is that might is right. That is what I have learned in my life.
    And I am pissed off because I just learned this. If I had known it at an earlier age, I would have probably been a millionaire by now.
  • November 29, 2019, 7:15 PM
    AdTheBad

    Re: Could Incels have any common ground with MGTOW?

    Could Incels have any common ground with MGTOW?
    This is an absolute no from this MGTOW.

    https://is-a-cunt.com/2019/07/incels-are-cunts/

    Despite being quite open minded, laissez faire, easy going etc incels are one group that still awakens the fury because why?.....why are you?

    It doesn't make any sense and its like an extreme feminisation of thought processes presented via an apparenty male (not masculine....absolutely not masculine) lens.

    I don't use strong language any more for any reason....except incels 'cos its totally fucking pathetic.




    One thing I find curious though is they're not as concerned about "holding frame" as MGTOW are.
    I'm not 'holding frame'. That 'frame' is the real deal and any deviation now would be a pretence or for purposes of convenience.

    They express sadness over the loss of women.
    Huh? The whole point is that ones idealisation is a self induced fantasy. The fact of the matter is just fine, its O.K, its reality....work with it....relax...enjoy!

    Nobody 'lost women'.

    For all the good brought about by the GYOW philosophy, is it not prohibitive to tell another man what their feelings should be?
    Nobodies telling another man 'what their feelings should be' but the question was asked and a reply is forthcoming.

    The strength of MGTOW is that the narratives have been corrected, quantified, qualified, tested, reviewed, criticised and even the harshest critics cannot really gainsay it bar NAWALT. But even so, MGTOW eventually goes beyond the all that into its own orbit....above all that shit but well able to engage if necessary.

    Again, "is it not prohibitive to tell another man what their feelings should be?" as a rhetorical tool is a very feminine twist in response to something that nobody ever said.

    Who told them what their feelings should be?
  • November 29, 2019, 5:21 PM
    Opaque

    Re: Could Incels have any common ground with MGTOW?

    I still find a fine woman in a bikini very enticing.
    So do I and every other healthy man.

    I however do not have the knowledge or wisdom on how to get her from the beach into my bed.
    It's not a matter of knowledge sir. There may be tips and advise you can learn. You can dress well and and get fit. But women reject you in advance if you aren't top 3%. You may get lucky like I do on occasion, but the exception does not disprove the rule.

    I do view women as a hinderance to my very happiness.
    Okay. Sure. I am less happy because I don't get to enjoy a woman's body and other sexual experiences. But that doesn't mean I am despondent.

    I think they are essentially evil but if a girl in a bikini asked me into bed would I refuse.Probably not.
    They are evil. By choice, they are morally corrupt. Not by nature. Many so called MGTOW make a massive error here.

    Is an incel just an immature form of Mgtow
    A MGTOW is a man who FREE & PROUD. He knows himself and his limitations. And he carries himself with dignity.
    An incel is perpetually depressed. Sad. Angry. Melancholic and worst of all full of illusions about society and the female imperative.

    I really wonder if women can feel love in the same way a man can.Can she truly be happy waking up next to her man or is she just a woken serpent.
    Love does not exist. It is a form of insanity. Which often has lead men to commit the worst forms of self-subjection chasing it and wanting it from women.
  • November 29, 2019, 4:24 PM
    frog

    Re: Could Incels have any common ground with MGTOW?

    If an incel has truly walked away, then I'd say they deserve MGTOW status, if that's what they want. But if your still shopping, or hoping against hope that a unicorn will come your way, then your just fooling yourself. We hate to see women grind a guy up, but rather or not you pee on the electric fence is entirely up to you.

    Not a one of us has an incel background, far as I know. I figure most of us have been married, and all of us have had girlfriends and relationships, however lame.
  • November 28, 2019, 4:58 AM
    Unregistered

    Re: Could Incels have any common ground with MGTOW?

    I still find a fine woman in a bikini very enticing. I however do not have the knowledge or wisdom on how to get her from the beach into my bed. I do view women as a hinderance to my very happiness. I think they are essentially evil but if a girl in a bikini asked me into bed would I refuse.Probably not. Is an incel just an immature form of Mgtow.Possibly. I really wonder if women can feel love in the same way a man can.Can she truly be happy waking up next to her man or is she just a woken serpent.I ponder these things daily.
  • November 16, 2019, 12:28 AM
    frog

    Re: Could Incels have any common ground with MGTOW?

    I feel sorry for the damn fools, just like I feel sorry for all the dumb granny's that have messed up their life's and now expect me to fix it. But like they say, you cant fix stupid.
  • November 15, 2019, 2:24 PM
    Revenant

    Re: Could Incels have any common ground with MGTOW?

    I think we would become very frustrated with each other very quickly.
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