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    Thumbs up Recent censorship

    Will posts containing pictures like this:

    soon get removed as well? Without trying to understand the context? Without knowing the origin of the picture? (in this case a cartoon named "The Boondocks" made by blacks, cartooning an "uncle tom")

    I get that "edgy humor" isn't for everybody, but it reeks of SJWism to me when that kind of comedic expression falls prey to tone policing.

    There's also nobody stopping you from voicing your own opinion against any such post. Would make more sense than outright deleting and giving out infractions, no?

    Is posting a video like this too offensive for this site as well now?
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    Re: Recent censorship

    Plus one, dude. It's a good challenge to see if they'll ban you for merely using a synonym of the word "cowardly?"

    In DC of course they had an uproar because a guy in local city government used the word "niggardly" and the guy was white.

    It'$ a "HATE" CRIME!

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    Re: Recent censorship

    What I "hate" is when stupid people try to tell me what something they read means. Black people use the word nigger all the time, Italians use the word dago. It's just another way of letting someone know what you think of them...not necessarily the ethnic group they belong to. Society has become way too sensitive to semantics nowadays and have forgotten the meaning of damn near everything.
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    Re: Recent censorship

    Did we recently get a female moderator or did the owner get married and his wife is running things now?
    I thought we actually owned this space. Interesting.

    Making us control ourselves and watch what we say or do while our enemies are allowed to use all manner of shit against us. A sure-fire recipe for losing.
    If you believe everything you hear is a lie, you have a 100% lie detection rate.
    The opposite holds true but I would rather be surprised by the truth than a lie.

    Women can attack you as much as they want but are you really allowed to fight back? This place seems to think that you aren't.

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    Re: Recent censorship

    This ain't Stormfront.

    Let's say I call someone a cunt. The person takes offence. I reply that hey - it's just an anatomical word, what's the problem? All women have cunts (well, according to some), do you have a problem with women?

    In the "niggardry" post above, ADWYS makes a point about context. The problem is that ripping that one frame out of the cartoon strips it of context.

    This also ain't the USA. It's kinda tiresome how Americans seem to think that the whole nigger/cracker thing is universal. It isn't: you people had slavery less than 150 years ago, for almost half the entire history of your country, slavery was perfectly legal. That is just not the case in more civilised places that didn't commit treachery against their god-given king. It's always cute how Americans are so sure that their constitution protects their rights, when under that very constitution slavery was perfectly legal for over a century.

    Are you offended, yet? Are you offended, yet? And yet you're shocked, shocked, shocked that posting racist memes that are intended to be offensive is a problem? Really, that's the point. These images are supposed to offend people. They are supposed to be provoking and inflammatory. That's why you don't call someone a cunt and then make some weak-assed excuse about the english language. It's like punching someone in the face and then attempting to say that it was all just an application of Newton's second law of motion, and hey - what do you have against science? ADWYS has rocked up here and gone out of his way to insult people. That's why it violates TOS. It's insulting and intended to be insulting.

    Finally: American negroes need to GTOW. The whole bling bling, cars and money, get power, get bitches culture. The revolting twerking, morphing into fat entitled negress landwhale mothers on welfare. Millions of boys being raised by women who constantly, incessantly, at the slightest excuse or with no excuse at all, slap them around the head. The secret to why urban black culture is such a deathtrap is that its a culture without the wisdom and moderation of older men. A culture that is primarily about female concerns - fucking and spending money. "The Hood" is what you get when you throw all the men in prison. A culture without men is a culture without principles. What Chicago and Baltimore desperately need are some respected, grey-bearded negro men.

    We should help american negro men. I believe we actually have a couple on this site. Lifting those guys out of the trap is one of the things this site is about. "Nigger" memes just don't have a place here.

    IMO.

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    Re: Recent censorship

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wombat View Post
    This ain't Stormfront.

    Let's say I call someone a cunt. The person takes offence. I reply that hey - it's just an anatomical word, what's the problem? All women have cunts (well, according to some), do you have a problem with women?

    In the "niggardry" post above, ADWYS makes a point about context. The problem is that ripping that one frame out of the cartoon strips it of context.

    This also ain't the USA. It's kinda tiresome how Americans seem to think that the whole nigger/cracker thing is universal. It isn't: you people had slavery less than 150 years ago, for almost half the entire history of your country, slavery was perfectly legal. That is just not the case in more civilised places that didn't commit treachery against their god-given king. It's always cute how Americans are so sure that their constitution protects their rights, when under that very constitution slavery was perfectly legal for over a century.

    Are you offended, yet? Are you offended, yet? And yet you're shocked, shocked, shocked that posting racist memes that are intended to be offensive is a problem? Really, that's the point. These images are supposed to offend people. They are supposed to be provoking and inflammatory. That's why you don't call someone a cunt and then make some weak-assed excuse about the english language. It's like punching someone in the face and then attempting to say that it was all just an application of Newton's second law of motion, and hey - what do you have against science? ADWYS has rocked up here and gone out of his way to insult people. That's why it violates TOS. It's insulting and intended to be insulting.

    Finally: American negroes need to GTOW. The whole bling bling, cars and money, get power, get bitches culture. The revolting twerking, morphing into fat entitled negress landwhale mothers on welfare. Millions of boys being raised by women who constantly, incessantly, at the slightest excuse or with no excuse at all, slap them around the head. The secret to why urban black culture is such a deathtrap is that its a culture without the wisdom and moderation of older men. A culture that is primarily about female concerns - fucking and spending money. "The Hood" is what you get when you throw all the men in prison. A culture without men is a culture without principles. What Chicago and Baltimore desperately need are some respected, grey-bearded negro men.

    We should help american negro men. I believe we actually have a couple on this site. Lifting those guys out of the trap is one of the things this site is about. "Nigger" memes just don't have a place here.

    IMO.
    I'm Aussie as well and I do find it amusing that American's think their words and history apply to the world. We had an Aboriginal down here a while back complaining about a company called "Coon" that make cheese, I even knew a Canadian guy who freaked out when he saw that cheese brand in the store. "Coon" is just a name down here, we never had that word used as a racial term as far as I know, probably because we also don't have raccoons.

    Cunt in Australia is another one of those context words. Calling someone a cunt down here can mean anything from your best mate to someone you want to kill depending on tone of voice and context.

    I think the point of the cartoon posted is that it was created by black American people. They used the word in a type of context and the character saying also appears to be black. To be honest I am over the whole race thing, we had Adam Goodes push it to stupid levels a few years back even having a 12 year old girl arrested because she called him an ape (or so he says) just because to her he is big and hairy but he had to take it racially despite himself being 3/4 European.

    MGTOW based sites need to have freedom of speech. That is part of the purpose a place where men can go to talk about whatever they like without being called sexist, homophobic, racist etc etc You could ban the racial stuff but then what next? There is a lot of criticism about LGBTIQ on sites like this as well, is that the next no go zone? What about criticizing women?

    Pretty soon you have a forum that no one uses and I have noticed a major decline in activity lately.

    Maybe that is the aim.

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    Re: Recent censorship

    Aintdealingwithyoshit, I think you are mixing things up in your head. I talk plainly.

    You are a long-time member who is familiar with the Principles of this site.

    You posted several images that were deemed as racist. One included an image of a little black girl eating watermelon with one hand and spinning a basketball on the finger of her other hand while a bucket of fried chicken floated in the background. I deleted the post and gave you a Warning which is less than an Infraction.

    You next posted an image of a woman wearing the full-body burqa sitting next to some garbage bags. While we take issue with the things that women say and do, we do not say women themselves are garbage. You know the difference. I deleted the post and gave you an Infraction, not a Warning. To this, you sent me a PM that I was tone-policing. You knew the difference, you just chose to ignore it.

    The mission of this site is to foster the betterment of men. As Jagr said, we do not divide men as that is how women win. This site is not an open season for all forms of expression. Again, the Principles. You have had prior Infractions from other Mods for similar categories. As I told you in the PM, I was advised by upper Admin to give you a 3-day suspension but I opted against it. If you slow down and think about the images you've been posting, I think you will see that I have been quite fair with you. Those two actions above have been my only interactions with you as Mod.

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    Re: Recent censorship

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wombat View Post
    This ain't Stormfront.

    You have a weird fascination with that website, but okay. Neither is this theperpetuallyoffended.com, is it?

    Let's say I call someone a cunt. The person takes offence. I reply that hey - it's just an anatomical word, what's the problem? All women have cunts (well, according to some), do you have a problem with women?

    Well do you? What is that paragraph even supposed to say if you don't answer your own question? Because that is indeed a VERY FINE example.

    In the "niggardry" post above, ADWYS makes a point about context. The problem is that ripping that one frame out of the cartoon strips it of context.

    Actually the post I'm referring to had a definitive context since I had quoted Insidious_Sid.

    This also ain't the USA. It's kinda tiresome how Americans seem to think that the whole nigger/cracker thing is universal. It isn't: you people had slavery less than 150 years ago, for almost half the entire history of your country, slavery was perfectly legal. That is just not the case in more civilised places that didn't commit treachery against their god-given king. It's always cute how Americans are so sure that their constitution protects their rights, when under that very constitution slavery was perfectly legal for over a century.

    Completely irrelevant paragraph, I'm German, I've got nothing to do with Murica whatsoever.


    Are you offended, yet? Are you offended, yet? And yet you're shocked, shocked, shocked that posting racist memes that are intended to be offensive is a problem? Really, that's the point. These images are supposed to offend people. They are supposed to be provoking and inflammatory. That's why you don't call someone a cunt and then make some weak-assed excuse about the english language. It's like punching someone in the face and then attempting to say that it was all just an application of Newton's second law of motion, and hey - what do you have against science? ADWYS has rocked up here and gone out of his way to insult people. That's why it violates TOS. It's insulting and intended to be insulting.

    I have? That's news to me. Please point me to the direction of where I've done so.

    Finally: American negroes need to GTOW. The whole bling bling, cars and money, get power, get bitches culture. The revolting twerking, morphing into fat entitled negress landwhale mothers on welfare. Millions of boys being raised by women who constantly, incessantly, at the slightest excuse or with no excuse at all, slap them around the head. The secret to why urban black culture is such a deathtrap is that its a culture without the wisdom and moderation of older men. A culture that is primarily about female concerns - fucking and spending money. "The Hood" is what you get when you throw all the men in prison. A culture without men is a culture without principles. What Chicago and Baltimore desperately need are some respected, grey-bearded negro men.

    We should help american negro men. I believe we actually have a couple on this site. Lifting those guys out of the trap is one of the things this site is about. "Nigger" memes just don't have a place here.

    I thought this was a discussion board for men going their own way. The way you write makes it sound like some MRA shit. I don't give a shit about where "we" as men, as a "brotherhood", go from here. Miss me with that groupthink shit.


    IMO.
    Since I loathe repeating myself, I'll just post what I've written in the PN re: this topic, also in order to provide some context.
    Insidious_Sid said that feminists are hideous so we should be thankful for a Burqa hiding their appearance. That is what I was referring to. And yes I do think feminists are trash. If you need to know why, check out this forum's very own "feminism is a hate movement".
    As for the image, it referred to the post: I think a burqa looks like a trashbag. It is a freaking GARMENT. I find it hideous, just like I find pink hats hideous. And since it looks like a trashbag I find it a very fitting garment for feminists.

    Was that REALLY hard to understand?
    Is that REALLY "raaaaaaaaaaaacist" in any way?
    Is that REALLY against the forum rules?

    Yeah, I don't think so.

    But if I'm wrong and this NON-ISSUE really is against the forum rules, then please ABSOLUTELY DO GO AHEAD and ban me because I'd rather not waste my time with hypersensitive Manginas.

    A different post of mine cartooning the concept of "diversity" and "open borders" was deleted and resulted in a warning that I did not protest against at all. Because whereas I don't find it offensive at all, I can see why you might not want to see it here, so fair enough. I 100% disagree with the recent removal of my post though.

    Also Unboxxed it wasn't personal. I'll restore your rep as well. I just wanted to protest against that particular removal. Like I said, I get that some of the stuff I've posted IS against the rules when interpreted in a certain way. Which I realize may come across as a lot more malicious than it was intended. My only goal, I can assure you, was to poke fun at certain issues/topics. Nothing more.

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    Re: Recent censorship

    Quote Originally Posted by Aintdealingwithyoshit View Post
    But if I'm wrong and this NON-ISSUE really is against the forum rules, then please ABSOLUTELY DO GO AHEAD and ban me because I'd rather not waste my time with hypersensitive Manginas.
    ... he says in capital letters and bold font to absolutely no one upset.



    It's the difference between, say, disliking someone's behavior and posting a picture of them hanging from a tree. I wouldn't post the picture. The difference between disliking your neighbor's cat and mailing them a photo of a dead cat. If someone's words are pushing you to reach for a picture like that, stop yourself and pull back.

    Ain't, a picture of a woman in a burqa is different than a picture of a woman in a burqa sitting among bags of garbage, implying in your world of humor that that is where you think they belong. You mention the importance of context yet when I point out this context you repeat it back to me minus this context. C'mon, man. In the garbage or at the end of a noose, don't promote what you think should physically be done with people. At least not here. It takes people down. Please just think about it.

    If you feel singled out because you see other pictures of this type, you can report the post.

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    Re: Recent censorship

    [Mod note: member temp-banned 28 days - Read the Principles; racism/attacks on religion not tolerated. Also see Posts #14 and #15 below.]

    I'm so sick of websites, forums, discord channels, chat groups, you name it, that delete stuff because there's a SLIGHT chance it MAY offend someone. Yesterday, I posted this meme in an Elder Scrolls Online guild discord meme channel, and it was deleted immediately because it was offensive to the powerless eternal victim muzzies. To me it's hilarious:

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    Re: Recent censorship

    Quote Originally Posted by Unboxxed View Post
    ... he says in capital letters and bold font to absolutely no one upset.



    It's the difference between, say, disliking someone's behavior and posting a picture of them hanging from a tree. I wouldn't post the picture. The difference between disliking your neighbor's cat and mailing them a photo of a dead cat. If someone's words are pushing you to reach for a picture like that, stop yourself and pull back.

    Ain't, a picture of a woman in a burqa is different than a picture of a woman in a burqa sitting among bags of garbage, implying in your world of humor that that is where you think they belong. You mention the importance of context yet when I point out this context you repeat it back to me minus this context. C'mon, man. In the garbage or at the end of a noose, don't promote what you think should physically be done with people. At least not here. It takes people down. Please just think about it.

    If you feel singled out because you see other pictures of this type, you can report the post.

    Thank you.
    Seems like I'm not getting through to you. That's fine. I'm done repeating myself.
    I do implore you however to also check the other replies because this applies as much to my posts as it does to the future of this site. It is a choice between a sanitized hugbox safespace and a discussion space for MEN.

    Now, Wombat for instance has accused me of willfully insulting people. If I have indeed done so, I am sorry. I cannot remember a time where I have personally attacked a member on this site though. Criticized perhaps or had a different point of view, but personally insulted? No. And I agree with the rules in that regard that this is not the place for that kind of post. That being said, obviously I don't consider stating facts or posting edgy humor as a personal insult. Offense is taken, not given. But it seems, yet again, we can't find common ground in that regard.

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    Re: Recent censorship

    I agree with Wombat about Americans. Being one I've seen it all my life. We can be arrogant and stupid as hell from time to time. But I also agree with Aintdealingwithyoshit that this post is more a discussion about how the world views things (like racism), not a rant against individuals. It's more of a rant against hypocrisy.
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    Re: Recent censorship

    Quote Originally Posted by Aintdealingwithyoshit View Post
    Seems like I'm not getting through to you. That's fine. I'm done repeating myself.
    I do implore you however to also check the other replies because this applies as much to my posts as it does to the future of this site. It is a choice between a sanitized hugbox safespace and a discussion space for MEN.

    Now, Wombat for instance has accused me of willfully insulting people. If I have indeed done so, I am sorry. I cannot remember a time where I have personally attacked a member on this site though. Criticized perhaps or had a different point of view, but personally insulted? No. And I agree with the rules in that regard that this is not the place for that kind of post. That being said, obviously I don't consider stating facts or posting edgy humor as a personal insult. Offense is taken, not given. But it seems, yet again, we can't find common ground in that regard.
    Well, what I heard from you is that you understood why the first referenced image was removed but disagreed strongly that the second referenced image was removed as you naturally applied your own viewpoint to its importance. We were communicating via PM, or so I thought, so once you started over by creating this thread, no doubt communication gets fractured. Perhaps you ranted here to create coalitions or to take control of the conversation in the court of public opinion, whatever. But now that we have moved to here, and now that I have explained here why the second referenced image was removed, you seem to understand. That's good, right?

    You are overreacting to talk about a sanitized hugbox safespace, though. Why is it always the way with people to say extremes when they are upset? Two images removed, one you agreed, one you disagreed, and now the site is losing its purpose, you would have me think. Hundreds of thousands of posts in this forum, ya know. Trump says grab them by the pussy and in response tons of women get mad and march with pussyhats. Two images get removed, both violating TOS mind you, and in response more images get posted apparently as a dare, whipped up by your excitement. Am I supposed to take up arms against this or something? The feminists reading this should be laughing at us.

    See you back at the forums.
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    Re: Recent censorship

    Some things, and then I will shut this thread and shit-can those who violate our Principles without hesitation.

    First, the Principles that govern this forum were deliberated over for a lengthy period of time and were constructed to account for the mistakes that derailed prior MGTOW communities. They are not arbitrary. They are long-term oriented; and meant to create the best outcome for men in MGTOW, avoiding needless diversions that have NOTHING to do with MGTOW and only create pointless division across men (the primary way men are exhausted and defeated).

    The Principles (http://www.goingyourownway.com/mgtow...principles-16/) state:

    "Don't: Post: racism"
    "Don't: Post racially provocative articles"
    "Don't Disparage religious/ideological views of others, nationalities, etc. "

    Every member is told to read the Principles when they join and they abide by them.

    I do realize that some members cannot help themselves. They neither read the Principles nor take them seriously. Most of all they feel they are above the rules. To the extent they protest, they cannot even do so in a credibly intelligent way such as pointing out sections of the Principles they disagree with, showing the pros/cons of such an approach, and describing a common sense middle ground position. Instead, they are "incredulous" a moderator would actually enforce the Principles which are the basis of our site since creation.

    The merits of their protests amount to this:




    Unsurprisingly, there is little to be discussed because there is nothing of substance being brought up. And don't get me started on those who cry "free speech"/"censorship" so as to carve exceptions to themselves from the Principles as though their human rights were being trampled on; they're not- you're free to mouthbreathe elsewhere and take your self-importance and indifference to the greater community's interests with you.

    There are ALOT of sites on the Internet where you can bash Muslims, white people, Jewish people, black people, PC, un-PC - so go use them. What does any of that have to do with MGTOW?

    The "useful idiot" in the manosphere is one who has been manipulated into attacking other men; this is the buffoon of the ages- the imbecile who has always been leveraged throughout time to foster division and weaken the fraternity of men. GYOW doesn't mean "Whatever, I'll do whatever I want" Cartman style, like a little child. This is a community. If you truly want to "go your own way" in a literal sense, why are you here? So going MGTOW doesn't mean getting a whole set of opportunities WITHOUT responsibility. Do not forget about the last part.

    All in all, I refuse to be too disappointed in the low quality of comments on this thread, the utter ignorance of Principles, etc. because I realize the kind of people that respond to this Rant thread are self-selecting: newbies who came from a different forum who don't understand how we do things here (yet will be banned soon enough if they do not get the picture), members who've been banned before, and an OP who has a track record for violating principles even though we have given him warnings. I will not get into the OP's little game of semantics when he's shown repeatedly, through his actions, that he does not respect the rules here. Likening a whole group of people to garbage is just a tip of the iceberg with his commentary.

    We have no interest in being the biggest MGTOW forum. We have succeeded for years in building a constructive, positive community by holding to our Principles and we won't stop now. Please follow the rules or show yourself out.
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    Re: Recent censorship

    I banned a bunch of people; mostly temporarily. These are 'warnings'. There will be no warnings next time.

    And a reminder- there are constructive and non-constructive ways to discuss rules, its effects, etc. Vomiting your resentments or attacking mods personally for holding you accountable for stated rules won't cut it.

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    Re: Recent censorship

    Quote Originally Posted by Juggernaut View Post
    Did we recently get a female moderator or did the owner get married and his wife is running things now?
    I thought we actually owned this space. Interesting.

    Making us control ourselves and watch what we say or do while our enemies are allowed to use all manner of shit against us. A sure-fire recipe for losing.
    You've been a member of this site a whopping 67 days and you say you own it. Now that you've read Jagr's response, I don't think you fucking realized how lenient I've been.
    The two most important days in your life are the day you were born and the day you find out why. - Mark Twain

    The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation.
    - Henry David Thoreau

    There are 10 types of people in the world - those who understand binary, and those who don't.

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