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    Apologies for being away but I知 sure you値l understand that sometimes I need to unplug.


    To Unboxxed and the other mods: I understand that this post is somewhat political, but it is also red pill in so far as it is about seeing the world for what it is. It is a comment, without bias (or rather, with as little bias as I can muster), on what is happening in the political arena; not only in the States but in Europe also, and possibly in other arenas of which I知 unaware.


    But I致e been watching.


    People are polarising.


    I urge you to resist this natural tendency.


    Why?


    Because I have lived through the consequences of this polarisation. And in my home town it continues to this day. This is NOT how people should aspire to live.


    They want you to choose but only from the options THEY give. It痴 us or it痴 them there is no alternative.


    IT担 ALL A LIE.


    Stop.


    Think for yourself!


    Is this policy right or is it wrong? Why is it right or wrong? What are the consequences further down the road?


    Fuck the left wing. Fuck the right wing. FUCK EVERYONE THAT SEEKS TO CONTROL WHAT WE THINK AND SAY AND DO.


    Fuck all those that seek to control the narrative.


    When the peoples of a land polarise this is the result. This is how and where and when I grew up. Not the Third World, but Ireland in the 1970痴 90s. Soldiers with rifles walking the streets. The images are real (excluding the surreal golden stuff which is somewhat metaphorical.)


    I could have been one of the kids shown. Is this what you want?


    And just in case some don稚 get it, replace the word ZOMBIE with SHEEP. Now do you see?


    And yes it痴 a female vocalist but what a voice!!!




    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ejga4kJUts




    IT担 ALL IN YOUR HEAD!
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    Re: Polarisation

    Nice to hear from you, Jackoff. Yeah, I wondered where you went. Hoped it wasn't to jail or hospital.

    Didn't think you fell off of the redpill wagon, as that would be both jail and hospital.
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    Re: Polarisation

    01/20/2021 Hell on Earth Day 1.

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    Re: Polarisation

    Quote Originally Posted by Unboxxed View Post
    Nice to hear from you, Jackoff. Yeah, I wondered where you went. Hoped it wasn't to jail or hospital.
    Thanks.

    Nothing so dramatic. The lockdown here is VERY severe and I guess I let it get to me. Just had to switch it all off for a while.

    Didn't think you fell off of the redpill wagon, as that would be both jail and hospital.
    Hee hee. Too true. But, for me, there is no wagon. My feet are planted firmly on the ground.
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    Re: Polarisation

    @Jackoff

    Hey man ! Its been a while !

    Regarding the topic... too late I am quite polarized !!!

    On serious note, I dont think most of us (mgtow) dont have much reason to be polarized. We only have to worry about one unit of human lifespan and that too for only one human being (ourself) in the most case.

    The real problem is for people with kids, and who want their kids (and grand kids and furthur descendants) to have a live-able world. The problem is that they have only two options.

    1. Polarize a bit to get something done.
    2. Wait for the world to devolve into a very destitute third world.

    #1 you already covered in your post (and in that video you posted). Let me say something about #2. To the people (with children) who think they can get away without being polarized, they should understand what destitution looks like. Not the first world destitution where you live off welfare from the big government, but THIRD WORLD variant of it :




    This is what the descendants of the current white middle class is going to get. And this is what I say to people who think that there is gonna be no civil war/breakdown, that the alternative to that is also very very bad, just not in our lifetime probably.
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    Re: Polarisation

    I'll call your U2...

    And raise you Gary Moore / Phil Lynott:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsKpazeA5L8

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    Quote Originally Posted by rkspsm View Post
    that the alternative to that is also very very bad, just not in our lifetime probably.
    Hmm.

    That's what I used to think...

    Not in my lifetime...

    Never did I think that:

    I would not be allowed to associate with my friends and family;
    That I would only be allowed to walk with 5 Km of my home;
    That I could not travel on a whim;
    That I couldn't hit the local for a quick pint or two;
    That I can't make use of the local gym;
    That I can't eat in the finest restaurants in town;
    That I can't talk to my neighbour over the garden fence;
    That I can't buy clothing;
    That I can't buy electrical goods;
    THAT I CAN'T DO SHIT!!!

    If I choose to live this kind of life then that's on me. When it is imposed then that's a different matter.

    Government should be there to SERVE the people, not dictate to it. Unfortunately this concept seems to have been lost. Dictators will ALWAYS arise in whatever form.
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    Re: Polarisation

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    I would not be allowed to associate with my friends and family;
    That I would only be allowed to walk with 5 Km of my home;
    That I could not travel on a whim;
    That I couldn't hit the local for a quick pint or two;
    That I can't make use of the local gym;
    That I can't eat in the finest restaurants in town;
    That I can't talk to my neighbour over the garden fence;
    That I can't buy clothing;
    That I can't buy electrical goods;
    Actually that was exactly my point. In our lifetime, the BEST case that can happen is that we are pushed to the brink of our tolerance (we = middle class of west, not exactly me for now). Of course, the worst can always be an all out nuclear world war...

    If we look just at covid, its much worse than that for a lot of people. People who had health emergencies other than covid, people who had small businesses, etc.

    But regardless, its not that bad, not yet. The bad is when NOT resorting to violence will mean getting perished for one reason or the other. Currently the middle class of west is in Johnny Depp mode. The wife (government, globalists, elites, whatever) is chopping his fingers off but he is just whimpering and squealing and doing nothing, and hoping that it will soon end and he can get on with his life...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rkspsm View Post
    But regardless, its not that bad, not yet. The bad is when NOT resorting to violence will mean getting perished for one reason or the other. Currently the middle class of west is in Johnny Depp mode. The wife (government, globalists, elites, whatever) is chopping his fingers off but he is just whimpering and squealing and doing nothing, and hoping that it will soon end and he can get on with his life...
    It is that bad.

    Sorry to disagree, but it is that bad. Government over-reach has gone into overdrive. I agree that I am hoping that it will soon end, but more and more that seems like a forlorn hope.

    First it was 3-4 weeks.
    Next it was for the next few months.
    Now the "scientists" are talking years!

    What these "scientists" fail to see is the larger picture.

    Given the benefit of the doubt, all they see is the ramifications of the virus - not the ramifications of people trying to live their lives.

    All life is a risk.

    You take a chance every time you leave your home. Crossing the street you may be hit by a car; you may come across a nut-case that stabs you or shoots you for no apparent reason. Such is life.

    Even if you stay at home, your home may be invaded and you face the same threat.

    Living life means taking risks. This (covid) one is no different. Don't get me wrong, I'll wear a face mask and social distance out of respect for other people's fears, and maybe international travel is a problem; but that's as far as it goes.

    The government telling me who I can contact, when and where, or how far I'm allowed to walk to get some exercise; well that's a step too far.
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    Re: Polarisation

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    It is that bad.

    Sorry to disagree, but it is that bad. Government over-reach has gone into overdrive. I agree that I am hoping that it will soon end, but more and more that seems like a forlorn hope.
    Not bad enough (yet) that ppl start to go out to rob their neighbor for food or worse...

    I think Manfred said it perfectly in some post which I dont have link of, but the gist was, you know it has reached the bottom, when you can smell dead people in the streets.

    And speaking of risk of Covid... there might be some for SOME people, but for large number of population there is pretty much none. Here in India, NOTHING happened, absolutely nothing. And while there was lockdown, people did go out all the time and eventually even the police and government went "meh" on enforcement except in some areas.

    The other day I was visiting a friend living few blocks away, on foot, no mask no nothing. He came out to walk with me, also without mask. And then he told me laughing : "Do you know this is quarantined zone ?" lol. Bottom line, if you guys are still in lockdown, you are living 1984, in plain sight, in broad daylight.
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    And speaking of risk of Covid... there might be some for SOME people, but for large number of population there is pretty much none. Here in India, NOTHING happened, absolutely nothing.
    Maybe so in reality, but the figures I see say otherwise. But then again stats are just stats; it's difficult for me (the average joe) to know just what the true stats are. I'm no conspiracy theorist but I have doubts.

    1984

    Fahrenheit 451

    These are the times in which we are living.

    Government oversight and control - Check.
    Restriction of BASIC liberties - Check.
    Cancel culture (book burning) - Check.

    I'm running out of check books!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    Maybe so in reality, but the figures I see say otherwise. But then again stats are just stats; it's difficult for me (the average joe) to know just what the true stats are. I'm no conspiracy theorist but I have doubts.
    It shouldnt require any "conspiracy theory" to apply basic falsification test. It is done in actual scientific research (along with other test: Occam's Razor), it can be done with day to day theories too. Basically, a theory must be able to explain ALL the evidence, otherwise its not correct or atleast not fully correct.

    From my perspective, I have following evidence:

    1. Stats : from government sources
    2. BLM/antifa riots : from several sources (less likely to be false cuz cross verifiable)
    3. Other protests in other countries, eg: farmer's protest in India. For me, the source for this is eyewitness of people around me. This protest existed for the better part of lockdown and is still on.

    Now, lets apply falsification :

    Theory A: Covid is dangerous to everybody alike.
    Nope evidences #2 and #3 dont check out.

    Theory B: Covid is mostly fluke, and govt is lying for the most part.
    This actually PASSES, because evidence #1 lost its importance.

    There are other theories too. The people who were scared of covid were soo embarrassed that nothing is happening, that I have heard some of the theories from them too, the major one is :

    Theory C: Covid virus mutated into something less potent strain in India.
    Evidence #2 fails this.

    Now given all that, I dont see how above is a "conspiracy theory", its a standard test I, as an average Joe, can use to pick apart the information from various sources to determine the best course of action for me. Personally I think the phrase "conspiracy theory" has been devolved into just another shaming tactic, just like racism or misogyny. I have seen people lumping EVERY discussion suggesting alternate hypothesis into this giant box, as an excuse to discredit it.
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    I must commend both Jackoff and rkspsm for a very thought provoking conversation. If I may interject as a third party I will say that both of you guys make excellent points.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonobo Protocol View Post
    I must commend both Jackoff and rkspsm for a very thought provoking conversation. If I may interject as a third party I will say that both of you guys make excellent points.
    Thanks !

    Jackoff starts interesting topics to have conversation with AND is very open to criticism on it, which is makes the debate so much fun ! I kindda missed these when he was, as he put it in opening post, "unplugged".

    I was thinking a bit more on covid and what Jackoff said (that its very bad), along with somethings I heard from elsewhere. This is a gut feeling, and if its right, its very depressive.

    The thing is, it is said in traditional military strategies (eg: Sun Tzu's Art of War) that the soldiers fight with a much higher efficiency if they perceive that they have no choice but to fight or die. We can see this even with animals. A cornered rat, however small, will try to fight vigorously if it thinks its the do or die situation.

    Now that can be applied in reverse too. I have heard that Subotai, who was one of the best if not the best generals of Chengez Khan is known to do that. What he did was, when he surrounded his enemies, he always left some gap open. That made the enemies have some hope of saving themselves, so they always tried to escape, splitting themselves and then eventually losing/dying. Another variation of this is the common phrase "frog in the boiling water", it doesnt fight, it doesnt escape, it just succumbs to its fate.

    And I think the big governments have learnt to do exactly that to the people. They are making it bad, really bad, but not bad ENOUGH that the people snap. They have learnt to boil the "frogs" in the water. People are thinking "Oh this all will be over and everything will be normal", then a new strain is reported by the our very "truthful and trustworthy media". Then they talk about vaccine and people are hoping that maybe vaccine will help, and so on and so forth.

    If this is really the case, then expect it to get worse SLOWLY, over a LOOONG time...
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    Re: Polarisation

    Quote Originally Posted by rkspsm View Post
    And I think the big governments have learnt to do exactly that to the people. They are making it bad, really bad, but not bad ENOUGH that the people snap. They have learnt to boil the "frogs" in the water.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    Hmm.

    That's what I used to think...

    Not in my lifetime...

    Never did I think that:

    I would not be allowed to associate with my friends and family;
    That I would only be allowed to walk with 5 Km of my home;
    That I could not travel on a whim;
    That I couldn't hit the local for a quick pint or two;
    That I can't make use of the local gym;
    That I can't eat in the finest restaurants in town;
    That I can't talk to my neighbour over the garden fence;
    That I can't buy clothing;
    That I can't buy electrical goods;
    THAT I CAN'T DO SHIT!!!

    If I choose to live this kind of life then that's on me. When it is imposed then that's a different matter.

    Government should be there to SERVE the people, not dictate to it. Unfortunately this concept seems to have been lost. Dictators will ALWAYS arise in whatever form.
    Where do you live? Where are these restrictions being imposed?
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    Re: Polarisation

    Quote Originally Posted by sam luis obispo View Post
    Where do you live? Where are these restrictions being imposed?
    He's from Ireland, I have some friends in England going nuts from all the shit, I have to cheer them up, they're really suffering this shit! Its every bit as bad as Jack is saying! No shit! I feel like I'm working suicide prevention when we converse on how life's going!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    Hmm.

    That's what I used to think...

    Not in my lifetime...

    Never did I think that:

    I would not be allowed to associate with my friends and family;
    That I would only be allowed to walk with 5 Km of my home;
    That I could not travel on a whim;
    That I couldn't hit the local for a quick pint or two;
    That I can't make use of the local gym;
    That I can't eat in the finest restaurants in town;
    That I can't talk to my neighbour over the garden fence;
    That I can't buy clothing;
    That I can't buy electrical goods;
    THAT I CAN'T DO SHIT!!!

    If I choose to live this kind of life then that's on me. When it is imposed then that's a different matter.

    Government should be there to SERVE the people, not dictate to it. Unfortunately this concept seems to have been lost. Dictators will ALWAYS arise in whatever form.
    Get out of there for a while. Go someplace where the beers are cold, the weather is warm, and the women are hot. Go someplace where you aren't locked down in a George Orwell dystopia.
    An escort is a woman you occasionally financially support only when she has sex with you.

    A date is a woman you occasionally financially support in the hope she will have sex with you.

    A wife is a woman you constantly financially support even when she is not having sex with you.

    An ex-wife is a woman you constantly financially support with alimony so she can have sex......with someone else.

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    Re: Polarisation

    Quote Originally Posted by sam luis obispo View Post
    Where do you live? Where are these restrictions being imposed?
    Sorry for the late reply.

    I'm living in the Republic of Ireland. Everything I have stated can be verified here:

    https://www.gov.ie/en/news/7e0924-la...9-coronavirus/
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    Quote Originally Posted by sam luis obispo View Post
    Get out of there for a while. Go someplace where the beers are cold, the weather is warm, and the women are hot. Go someplace where you aren't locked down in a George Orwell dystopia.
    We're not allowed. 5 Km is all we're allowed to travel for the sake of exercise. If we dissent, fines are imposed.
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