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    Would you get vaccinated so you could travel abroad more?

    I'll have a week of winter vacation coming up. I'd like to travel abroad instead of within the US mainland, and I'm considering traveling to Hawaii. Although Mexico and Colombia don't have requirements to travel to there, they do require a negative covid test result to return to the US. I can't afford to be stuck there in quarantine if I catch covid since I must return to the US for my job

    Since I'm not vaccinated, I would have to provide proof of a negative test within 3 days of the flight's departure to Hawaii, whereas that test isn't required if you're vaccinated. I'm not sure it's worth taking that chance just so I can stay unvaccinated. If I don't go, then there's really nowhere else I can go abroad, and I'd have no choice but to travel domestically

    Also, since the travel requirements/rules are constantly changing, getting vaccinated just makes traveling abroad easier. Plus, even if I could travel to Hawaii unvaccinated, I may not be allowed into hotels/restaurants/etc or get hostile treatment if I'm unvaccinated

    Is it worth getting vaccinated if you want to travel abroad?

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    Re: Would you get vaccinated so you could travel abroad more?

    Quote Originally Posted by plasticbag13 View Post
    .. Is it worth getting vaccinated if you want to travel abroad?
    In certain countries, those without a vaccine cert may need to undergo quarantine for X number of days.

    Even so, certain countries may recognise only a certain type of vaccine but not others (eg. some countries do not accept the China-made vaccines and vice versa).
    And for those who have the accepted vaccine certificates, some countries will need to provide proof of a negative test result Y days before entry and Z days after entry. Usually those tests will come as out of pocket expenses from the traveler and can be quite costly and a hassle.

    Then there are certain places, shops and restaurants in common tourist spots which also require proof of vaccination to get inside. Often this proof is issued via domestic/local vaccine certs online or with a local government letterhead - foreigners turning up with different-looking pieces of vaccine cert may encounter some difficulties if the local shops and joints refuse to recognise these certs or local enforcement agencies are unfamiliar with foreign vaccine certs and may cause travelers additional hassle.

    Really, the best suggestion in this current environment is to limit travelling to domestic, for the least amount of hassle and additional expense.
    And if you really want to go abroad, then reading up on all the local policies and procedures is a MUST, before even deciding on the type of vaccine to obtain.

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    Re: Would you get vaccinated so you could travel abroad more?

    I know and have read about people who have travelled without and it usually means extra tests (paid by you) or having to quarantine at some point. Speaking from a UK perspective here, different countries / different rules etc.

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    Re: Would you get vaccinated so you could travel abroad more?

    Quote Originally Posted by stanmsl View Post
    I know and have read about people who have travelled without and it usually means extra tests (paid by you) or having to quarantine at some point.
    In some cases, the battery of tests required (and the out-of-pocket expense) can cost more than the airfare to fly there. For those countries where quarantine is implemented, again, the cost of the hotel stay is another out-of-pocket expense and can be very costly.

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    Re: Would you get vaccinated so you could travel abroad more?

    Quote Originally Posted by plasticbag13 View Post
    Is it worth getting vaccinated if you want to travel abroad?
    Not to me. Unboxxed is Unvaxxed.


    Last I read, Hawaii had a 10-day quarantine which didn't make sense because sitting in a hotel is not why you go to Hawaii for a week.

    https://health.hawaii.gov/coronaviru...ing-to-hawaii/

    I read somewhere that you'll get interviewed when you arrive at the airport and be expected to provide your hotel arrangements. They will call the hotel to confirm this. One lady faked a reservation and they hauled her from the airport directly to the slammer.

    I guess you can avoid the quarantine if you participate in their Safe Travels Hawaii Program:

    https://hawaiicovid19.com/travel/

    Travelers wishing to use the pre-travel test to bypass quarantine must have a negative result from a test taken from a Trusted Testing and Travel Partner no more than 72 hours BEFORE beginning the final leg of their trip. Anyone without a negative test result or U.S. vaccination PRIOR to departure must quarantine upon arrival. The State of Hawai‘i will also accept test results that are digitally validated by Digital Health Pass Partners.
    The negative test result must be uploaded onto Safe Travels or printed out prior to departure and hard copy in hand when arriving in Hawai‘i.
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    Re: Would you get vaccinated so you could travel abroad more?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unboxxed View Post
    Not to me. Unboxxed is Unvaxxed.


    Last I read, Hawaii had a 10-day quarantine which didn't make sense because sitting in a hotel is not why you go to Hawaii for a week.

    https://health.hawaii.gov/coronaviru...ing-to-hawaii/

    I read somewhere that you'll get interviewed when you arrive at the airport and be expected to provide your hotel arrangements. They will call the hotel to confirm this. One lady faked a reservation and they hauled her from the airport directly to the slammer.

    I guess you can avoid the quarantine if you participate in their Safe Travels Hawaii Program:
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    Re: Would you get vaccinated so you could travel abroad more?

    No. I'm not vaccinated and I haven't traveled outside Illinois in over 21 years. So what do I care?
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    Re: Would you get vaccinated so you could travel abroad more?

    I've never understood what people find so special travelling to some other place - it costs you money to relax which in effect negates the fact that you're getting paid while not having to work. If you have to waste money just to escape the mundane reality of your shitty job, save that money to the point that you're financially independent. Better off chilling at home & just trekking through the neighbourhood - that's what I always tend to do.

    Vax wears off in 3-6 months if people don't get boosters, it's not a vaccine, it's an experimental and ineffective placebo at this point with all it's negative's constantly being burned.
    Don't need to travel, waste of money unless it's to a place that is less retarded and you intend to actually live there and even then not worth the risk o getting the vax.

    If you're healthy you're better off getting the coof, beating it and moving on with your life. I don't see corpses in the street, less than 1% of the world Population has even died and even then the numbers have been inflated, not even ONE % - what a joke of a pandemic. All this tyranny by the governments over a fucking flu that will never be fully stamped out as it's a virus and simply mutates.

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    Re: Would you get vaccinated so you could travel abroad more?

    Quote Originally Posted by JustWannaRetireFk View Post
    I've never understood what people find so special travelling to some other place - it costs you money to relax which in effect negates the fact that you're getting paid while not having to work. If you have to waste money just to escape the mundane reality of your shitty job, save that money to the point that you're financially independent. Better off chilling at home & just trekking through the neighbourhood - that's what I always tend to do.
    I'm saving to FIRE and should get there in a few years. But since I hardly spend in general, I thought it wouldn't hurt to spend a little to travel as it wouldn't make any significant difference to when I FIRE as I only travel abroad at most once per year. When I travel, I'm usually pretty frugal. I don't blow money on things like fancy hotels

    Since life is short and never know when I'll die, I figure it's worth traveling abroad so I don't have regrets about it

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    Re: Would you get vaccinated so you could travel abroad more?

    Quote Originally Posted by plasticbag13 View Post
    Since life is short and never know when I'll die, I figure it's worth traveling abroad so I don't have regrets about it
    I'm trying to figure out what it is about how you wrote that, that is giving me pause! I can't quite put my finger on it!

    It's like, well, if you die soon, then you won't be alive to have regret?

    You'd only have regret if you did not have a short life?

    Since life is short, you had better travel in case life isn't short?

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    Re: Would you get vaccinated so you could travel abroad more?

    Quote Originally Posted by plasticbag13 View Post
    I'm saving to FIRE and should get there in a few years. ...
    Since life is short and never know when I'll die, I figure it's worth traveling abroad so I don't have regrets about it
    Great work on your progress towards FIRE! Its great that you've planned / budgeted for a yearly travel, I do that too.

    I believe some here are confused - FIRE doesn't mean living like a total Spartan and hermit while foregoing travel as travel can sometimes feature as an important part of one's bucket list.

    It also helps if travel is planned as a reward on hitting certain achievement milestones such as (i) exceeding the yearly planned investments/savings or (ii) being debt-free, or (iii) hitting the 500k retirement fund nest egg or (iv) 1 million net worth milestone.

    If you do decide to travel, I would encourage travel to broaden one's horizons, by going to ground and experiencing/embracing the local customs, language, culture (and not the 'instagram picture' travel that women like to do, where they merely want to be 'seen' at certain well-known tourist landmarks or glamorous venues).

    If you're travelling for fun and pleasure it may be better to put a delay on that until things settle down this year - now isn't a good time to travel abroad due to the many additional costs and restrictions on crowd numbers, on social distancing, vaccines certs, etc. The additional costs borne by essential services (transport, food, lodging) can appear out of nowhere and surprise one's budget on the upside.

    You have to weight the pros and cons and make an informed decision for yourself.

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    Re: Would you get vaccinated so you could travel abroad more?

    You asking us? Good luck with that, which answer you want?

    I believe I had the virus before getting vaxed, as the side effects returned with the shots. Was really sick, though I wrote it off as the flu at the time. Didn't like the shots side effects, but they were nothing compared to the virus. I suppose it got me cause I'm a geezer. To a lot a people, it's nothing.

    I think loosing a good job because you don't want to get vaxed is going to hurt you more than it helps, but the decision is entirely up to you. Travel is harder to judge, my best friends rarely leave the county, let alone the state or country. Some just don't care. I'm different, I always wanted to see everything I could afford to. 90% of my travel ended up motorcycle touring the western US and Canada.

    Travel sounds important to you. Important enough to get vaxed? Your the one has to decide. Being big on travel when younger, I'd a got the shots without thinking about it, if that's what it took. Remember though, I'm only saying cause you asked.
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    Re: Would you get vaccinated so you could travel abroad more?

    I enjoy travelling.

    The last few trips, the destination country has required a test that is no less than 3 days old at time of arrival.
    In my area, there are many options for testing.
    For me, the best option was one where I pay/register beforehand, print out their reciept, drive up to the lab, never leave the car, drive through, get results that night to print out.

    Easy, peasy.

    At destination country, there were places to go and get the test in every neighborhood favored by travelers.

    There was even instant testing at the airport, but you had to arrive 3 hours before your flight left.

    Vaccination is a personal decision.
    Some embrace vaccinations.
    Some have questions about this vax.
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    Re: Would you get vaccinated so you could travel abroad more?

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    Quote Originally Posted by plasticbag13 View Post
    I'll have a week of winter vacation coming up. I'd like to travel abroad instead of within the US mainland,

    (Good idea!)

    and I'm considering traveling to Hawaii.

    (Bad idea. All the hassles of leaving the country, without leaving the gynocracy. And it is expensive in both time and wasted vacation time.)

    Although Mexico

    (all the hassles of the third world, none of the charm, and in the 'gringo-safe' areas, all the expense of the first world.)

    and Colombia

    (Much better idea!)


    don't have requirements to travel to there, they do require a negative covid test result to return to the US.

    (That can be done very easily. I have gone on trips where the lab was within walking distance of my lodgings.)

    I can't afford to be stuck there in quarantine if I catch covid since I must return to the US for my job

    (Take precautions, you should be OK.)

    Since I'm not vaccinated, I would have to provide proof of a negative test within 3 days of the flight's departure to Hawaii, whereas that test isn't required if you're vaccinated. I'm not sure it's worth taking that chance just so I can stay unvaccinated. If I don't go, then there's really nowhere else I can go abroad, and I'd have no choice but to travel domestically

    Also, since the travel requirements/rules are constantly changing, getting vaccinated just makes traveling abroad easier. Plus, even if I could travel to Hawaii unvaccinated, I may not be allowed into hotels/restaurants/etc or get hostile treatment if I'm unvaccinated

    (Forget Hawaii. Seriously, it is an expensive, lefty shit hole that has been living off its 1960s glamor for the last 60 years.)

    Is it worth getting vaccinated if you want to travel abroad?
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    Re: Would you get vaccinated so you could travel abroad more?

    Quote Originally Posted by sam luis obispo View Post
    Although Mexico

    (all the hassles of the third world, none of the charm, and in the 'gringo-safe' areas, all the expense of the first world.)

    and Colombia

    (Much better idea!)

    ..

    Forget Hawaii. Seriously, it is an expensive, lefty shit hole that has been living off its 1960s glamor for the last 60 years.)
    Since I can't speak Spanish, for Mexico, I was considering Mexico City. For Colombia, I was considering Medellin or Bogota. I thought Mexico City would at least have the charm of the local culture and history?

    For Hawaii, I was just planning to do water sports/activities mostly, such as kayaking, surfing, diving, etc. If the leftism is that bad there, I guess I could just do those in the mainland US so I don't have to get vaccinated

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    Re: Would you get vaccinated so you could travel abroad more?

    Quote Originally Posted by plasticbag13 View Post
    Since I can't speak Spanish, for Mexico, I was considering Mexico City. For Colombia, I was considering Medellin or Bogota. I thought Mexico City would at least have the charm of the local culture and history?
    Mexico City don't sound very charming to me, but it cant all suck. Some of it must be nice.

    I been told most Mexicans learned some English in school. Of course some didn't learn much, and some never went to school. Then there's them that understand but pretend not to.

    Still, if your not in the middle of nowhere, and not being an asshole, someone will likely help. That's my guess anyway.
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    Re: Would you get vaccinated so you could travel abroad more?

    I am vaxxed but couldn't care less about travel. If that were the only reason for being vaxxed I would not do it.

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    Re: Would you get vaccinated so you could travel abroad more?

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    Quote Originally Posted by plasticbag13 View Post
    Since I can't speak Spanish, for Mexico, I was considering Mexico City. For Colombia, I was considering Medellin or Bogota. I thought Mexico City would at least have the charm of the local culture and history?

    For Hawaii, I was just planning to do water sports/activities mostly, such as kayaking, surfing, diving, etc. If the leftism is that bad there, I guess I could just do those in the mainland US so I don't have to get vaccinated
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    Quote Originally Posted by CPRA View Post
    Just fly into San Diego then take the trolley to Tijuana to get a flavor of Mexico and meet hot strippers. https://www.hktijuana.com/club-features.phpCheap hotel rooms and you can head back to San Diego when you get bored with Mexican tourism in TJ.
    I've already been to TJ many times. I was hoping to experience more of the real Mexico charm by visiting Mexico City instead

    Since there's no vaccine/testing/quarantine required to enter Mexico and none when returning to the US by land instead of flight, sounds like I can still travel to Mexico by flying back to TJ and crossing the border to SD

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    Re: Would you get vaccinated so you could travel abroad more?

    Yes, that's one reason I'm vaccinated, thought not the most important one. The most important reason is I want to live through this pandemic thing. I'm at high risk because of asthma problems. But I also speak two foreign languages (French and German) and love to travel. For me it's a no-brainer. I want to be vaccinated as well as possible.


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