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    Quote Originally Posted by Kryptic View Post
    That's another thing that swayed me. The people dying and/or hospitalized from this weren't vaxxed. Younger people are also dying from it now too. And most notably Anti Vaxxers are getting it and dying so they do not have a good case. Besides I have been vaxxed for illnesses and diseases since I was a kid so why start trying to go hippie now.
    I have more faith in Jesus than the news, and I'm fucking agnostic LOL.

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    I think they are purposely instigating animosity between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated. As well, the proven superior immunity enjoyed by those who have had the virus, one category of people, is being ignored. Those whose doctor advised to not take the vaccine due to their medical condition, a second category of people, is being ignored. This astonishing indifference to these groups of people continue in the threats to take the shot or lose your job, where an alternative of weekly testing is not made an option.

    But, getting us to fight each other to do their bullying for them serves them more than any effort to get to the bottom of things.

    I have pre-existing "elevated D-Dimer" and all reports of blood clotting due to the vaccine are of high interest to me. It's taken quite a while for this vaccine blood clotting information to finally surface and it's still unfolding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unboxxed View Post
    I think they are purposely instigating animosity between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated. As well, the proven superior immunity enjoyed by those who have had the virus, one category of people, is being ignored. Those whose doctor advised to not take the vaccine due to their medical condition, a second category of people, is being ignored. This astonishing indifference to these groups of people continue in the threats to take the shot or lose your job, where an alternative of weekly testing is not made an option.

    But, getting us to fight each other to do their bullying for them serves them more than any effort to get to the bottom of things.

    I have pre-existing "elevated D-Dimer" and all reports of blood clotting due to the vaccine are of high interest to me. It's taken quite a while for this vaccine blood clotting information to finally surface and it's still unfolding.
    I can see division between Vaxxed and UnVaxxed although I think anyone with a medical reason for not getting Vaxxed would be ok. I can also see the Anti Vaxxers not helping themselves at all by the way they behave and I think someone of them are just using it as an excuse really rather than any real interest in vaccines or freedoms one way or the other.

    More than anything I would love to see how they would even enforce a "No Vax, no entry" policy for restaurants, building entry etc I know with some things there is a chance. But honestly I don't think many restaurants, cafes etc are going to be turning people away because they aren't vaxxed. Already we have documents for people like myself who are classed as "Essential Workers" and although never asked for them by Police it makes me think of those old war movies "Your papers please!"

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    Re: Vaccines

    Quote Originally Posted by Kryptic View Post
    I can also see the Anti Vaxxers not helping themselves at all by the way they behave
    And the pro-vaxxers behaving any better ? First of all, the pro-vaxxers clump everybody in the same group. There are people who are anti all vaccinations no matter what. Then there are people who are okay with vaccination as a technology but dont trust the establishment enough. Then there are people who will trust the system as long as the trials are conducted properly (several years of duration). Then there are people like me who have even softer stance, and that is, all they have to do is not contradict themselves.

    How many variations of pro-vaxxers exist ? So far I only know two. One who dont trust vaccines enough but they have several things on the line and simply dont want conflict and keep their head down. And second people who are in this weird monotheistic cult of "Science", who prostrate themselves everytime their priests start chanting. Anybody who deviates even by a picometer temporarily is suddenly an apostate. They have several terms for the apostates : conspiracy theorists, superstitious, creationists, flat earthers, and dunno what else they conjure up in their heads.

    And the most hilarious part of all this is, they do it in the name of science !!! Its amazing in so many ways. Believing or trusting one group over another is not science, science involves very heavy arguments and debates which can rage on potentially for decades. The only thing that differentiates it with non scientific debates is that there are certain rules which can be tested for their efficiency (eg: by monte carlo simulation).

    If someone gets his ass handed over to him by a creationist or bible freak, its like failing the entrance test. If someone doesnt believe me, I dare you, please work with a research team which is actually trying to solve a non-trivial problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kryptic View Post
    More than anything I would love to see how they would even enforce a "No Vax, no entry" policy for restaurants, building entry etc
    I also dont think they will be able to enforce much right now, its only beginning. What is going to happen is, the people will start to separate and distance themselves into disagreeable groups. The utopian ideal that everyone of us can be together and live happily ever after is coming apart. This will simply keep building up as more and more issues come up. Covid is simply the start.

    The end result will be, as it has always happened in past, both sides will end up doing very bad things to each other. And the winners will get to erase their records, and assert themselves as the "good guys". Or worse, which can happen in current world, there may not be any winners at all...
    Greedy algorithms always get stuck in a local extrema...

    If you cannot determine global extrema... or if the graph (or space) is infinite, genetic algorithms give better results.

    The function space or hypothesis space is not only infinite, but in most cases, have infinite dimensions.

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    I understand your resistance to being forced to do something you don't want to do. I felt that, too. I hate being controlled, and I have strong instinctive reactions to someone telling me what I "have to" do. Needless to say, this character trait has caused me a lot of problems in my life, lol, but I'm okay with that -- it's part of who I am.

    In this case, though, I think your understandable resistance to coercion is going to be very self-defeating. It's not worth sacrificing your job, just to avoid getting this vaccine. I resisted for a long time, too -- thought I didn't need it (still don't), thought the mandates and shaming were horrible strategies and just made me want to dig my heels in and say no, fuck off.

    But I heard from several doctors that I trust (not the "experts" at WHO or CDC, but docs I trusted) that the vaccine was safe, and that I was better off if I got it. True, the effectiveness is overhyped, and yes, there is suppression of alternative points of view, and yes, the mandates are obnoxious -- but the vaccines are safe, and you are better off having one. It will help with immunity. Eventually, you'll get covid (if you haven't already), and these vaccines will make it less likely that you will develop serious symptoms. They may not prevent you from getting or transmitting it, but they will protect you from dying or suffering some of the more serious respiratory symptoms. I've been on a breathing tube before, and it is a very frightening experience, to be unable to breathe on your own and have control of your breathing dependent on a machine. I'm talking lizard-brain level survival fear. I wouldn't wish that experience on my worst enemy.

    Anyhow, I think it's foolish to sacrifice your job over something so trivial. I got the shot. It didn't even hurt, and I suffered no side effects besides a somewhat sore arm for a day or two, after the second shot. I'm glad I did it. One of the main benefits is being able to just put it out of your mind. It's done with. I did my civic duty or whatever. I can forget about it and get on with my life. And I know that I've added a tidbit of immunity protection to my armamentarium. You'll get covid eventually, so why not add a little protection?

    Good luck with your decision. I'd strongly advise not making a "principled" stand and losing your job over this. It's not worth it. The anti-vax stuff is overblown (probably as overblown as the pro-vax stuff). I know the pressure is obnoxious, and I sympathize with the desire to resist. But don't shoot yourself in the foot. Get the shot. It's not a big deal.

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    Re: Vaccines

    Quote Originally Posted by rkspsm View Post
    They are not immune to bullets or explosions or any kind of physical impact in general.

    The problem is, most of the people on both sides want someone else to do the dirty work for them. Dirty work means violence. Its just like BLM/Antifa being anti-police clown show. They will all bitch and moan about how awful the police is, right up until the moment they need them.

    How many pro-covid vax will volunteer to physically drag the anti-vaxx out of their homes and throw them in prison ? Or how many anti-covid-vax will be willing to do the similar ?

    If that sounds too outlandish to anybody, then maybe read the opening post again. His situation is just a few steps away from physical dragging. It will eventually come to that. We all are a house divided, and soon there wont be enough room to accommodate the people from other side. Both sides of the covid/vax issue see other side as a problem, the battle lines are being drawn.

    The ONLY solution is to separate and go our own ways, quite literally the MGTOW solution. The problem is, in this case, separate ways means physical separation, on land, in social systems, in education system, in the way government is run, in everything. We simply cannot live with one another in peace, not for long. And if we cannot separate, well then, all of this is going to get much more physical and much more real (if not already in some places).
    Where there's fewer people, there's less chance of lines and division, in every battle throughout history there's the scattered and dissociated where there's more land than people, that's where you want to be when SHFT!

    If I had my setup (home/business) in some BLM ANTIFA fucktard liberal shithole city, there's a damn good chance I'd be standing in ashes or drifting on the winds of poverty! Why? Simple, there's people drawing lines bias and detrimental to others rights, without one shred of common decency or introspection and no regard for the rule of law.

    How do you know you're in a "safe place", again simple, if you can make someone disappear without a trace, and your neighbors are likeminded, you're in the right place.

    In population centers guns are faced inward, in rural areas guns are faced outward. Who do you think stands the best chance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kryptic View Post
    They just don't make any sense and contradict themselves and their own arguments. Don't go on about foreign bodies being injected into your system when you're covered in tattoos, drink, smoke and probably do drugs etc! Among many other things
    Totally agree.
    I don´t even like Jordan Peterson talking about Paleo diet when he is VERY skinny. Oh dude, you´re talking about phytoestrogens but you don´t even lift. You are already doing the soy work with yourself.

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    The virus hits everyone different. I appear to have gotten it before it was reported here. Don't think I was in much danger, but I was damn sick. The fatigue and joint pain went on long after my lungs healed up, and I didn't think it was ever going to go away for awhile. For me, this crap was serious bad news, my body didn't like it at all. The shots gave me the same side affects as being sick, only to a very lesser degree.

    Most people however, hardly know they been treated. None a my friends had more that a few minor side affects. I think losing your job will hurt you a lot more in the long run than the shots. A good jobs real hard to replace now day's, I don't know many people who've pulled that one off. Your the one deciding, but I think you will eventually regret losing your job more than getting the shots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frog View Post
    The virus hits everyone different. I appear to have gotten it before it was reported here. Don't think I was in much danger, but I was damn sick. The fatigue and joint pain went on long after my lungs healed up, and I didn't think it was ever going to go away for awhile. For me, this crap was serious bad news, my body didn't like it at all. The shots gave me the same side affects as being sick, only to a very lesser degree.

    Most people however, hardly know they been treated. None a my friends had more that a few minor side affects. I think losing your job will hurt you a lot more in the long run than the shots will. A good jobs real hard to replace now day's, I don't know many people who've pulled that one off. Your the one deciding, but I think you would eventually regret losing your job more than getting the shots.
    You'll loose your sovereignty over yourself by submitting, granting the government as chief executive over your medical choices, and that's worse than loosing life itself! Look at it as a one on one, two entities and one demands the other to submit to their choice of what's best for them in spite and censorship of other medical opinions.

    Give an inch, they'll take a mile, at the end of that mile, they'll take your life! What they're doing is tantamount to extortion, in my book it's criminal. History will judge this as a tipping point for totalitarian power and control over the individual.

    To date I don't know anyone that contracted Covid, however I do know someone that got vaxxed and died later from blood clots, and you can bet your bottom dollar the cause wasn't listed as vaccination complications!

    I'll hide in my bunker and pass...

    P.S. how can anyone make an informed decision when even experts are subject to censorship while CDC's chief medical advisor lied to congress and flipflops more than a fish out of water?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    Where there's fewer people, there's less chance of lines and division, in every battle throughout history there's the scattered and dissociated where there's more land than people, that's where you want to be when SHFT!

    If I had my setup (home/business) in some BLM ANTIFA fucktard liberal shithole city, there's a damn good chance I'd be standing in ashes or drifting on the winds of poverty! Why? Simple, there's people drawing lines bias and detrimental to others rights, without one shred of common decency or introspection and no regard for the rule of law.

    How do you know you're in a "safe place", again simple, if you can make someone disappear without a trace, and your neighbors are likeminded, you're in the right place.

    In population centers guns are faced inward, in rural areas guns are faced outward. Who do you think stands the best chance?
    Agreed with the land part, but then again, this is not something I have much of a choice really. While I can retire right now and live comfortably rest of the life given the current situation in the country I live, I dont have enough resources to move to Carribeans, buy a house and a yacht, or anything like that.

    Which means I have to resort to a different strategy, and that is to stay alert and act PREEMPTIVELY, preferably long before anything happens. I dropped out of education system 15 years ago when there was absolutely NOTHING wrong. Everybody around me were so full of their "wisdom" and "experience" and all the other bullshit about how I am unnecessarily making my life harder.

    No, I didnt make it harder, I made it EASY. The education, the job market, and definitely the marriage, all these are shackles, and it was OBVIOUS to see. There is no need to be fkn Sherlock Holmes or Da Vinci to figure it out on your own. I am out of the system, out of the shackles. Nobody can fire me, heck nobody can even make me "ghost". I can talk about women being what they are straight to the face of the people I work with, and they will simply look the other way !!

    The thing is, this requires you live like animals live. Always alert about surroundings, always ready to run. Regardless of whatever you are doing, sometimes even when asleep. Dont indulge in the "feel good" culture of the modern middle class easy going life. That shit is fkn cancer in every way imaginable. It makes both the body and mind sick, and lazy.

    Though if it comes to the point where I feel the need to run, I have some ideas in my head, and working on them. They will be needed, probably sometime within a decade from now.
    Greedy algorithms always get stuck in a local extrema...

    If you cannot determine global extrema... or if the graph (or space) is infinite, genetic algorithms give better results.

    The function space or hypothesis space is not only infinite, but in most cases, have infinite dimensions.

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    Re. hospital deaths of vaxed and unvaxed, the stats are lying. And that's old news everyone should already know. I mean many, many months old.

    Here's how it works: Someone comes into the ER with some ailment that's totally unrelated to the China Virus or its symptoms. He dies while he's in there, again for reasons totally unrelated to the Virus. His blood is tested for presence of the Virus. It's found in his blood. His death is chalked up to the Virus, even though he might have died of internal hemorrhaging as a result of a motorcycle accident. That trick is as old as dirt: You fool the "audience" for your mortality statistics into believing the relationship between the Virus and all those deaths is causal rather than co-incidental.

    For those who re interested in learning how this little trick is pulled, get yourself a copy of a book entitled "How to Lie With Statistics" by Darrell Huff. It was required reading in my grad degree program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rkspsm View Post
    Agreed with the land part, but then again, this is not something I have much of a choice really. While I can retire right now and live comfortably rest of the life given the current situation in the country I live, I dont have enough resources to move to Carribeans, buy a house and a yacht, or anything like that.

    Which means I have to resort to a different strategy, and that is to stay alert and act PREEMPTIVELY, preferably long before anything happens. I dropped out of education system 15 years ago when there was absolutely NOTHING wrong. Everybody around me were so full of their "wisdom" and "experience" and all the other bullshit about how I am unnecessarily making my life harder.

    No, I didnt make it harder, I made it EASY. The education, the job market, and definitely the marriage, all these are shackles, and it was OBVIOUS to see. There is no need to be fkn Sherlock Holmes or Da Vinci to figure it out on your own. I am out of the system, out of the shackles. Nobody can fire me, heck nobody can even make me "ghost". I can talk about women being what they are straight to the face of the people I work with, and they will simply look the other way !!

    The thing is, this requires you live like animals live. Always alert about surroundings, always ready to run. Regardless of whatever you are doing, sometimes even when asleep. Dont indulge in the "feel good" culture of the modern middle class easy going life. That shit is fkn cancer in every way imaginable. It makes both the body and mind sick, and lazy.

    Though if it comes to the point where I feel the need to run, I have some ideas in my head, and working on them. They will be needed, probably sometime within a decade from now.
    You mean you'll use a discarded automobile dieler pulley to hold a large O-ring in place while you grind it flat to make it fit in an old obsolete carburetor bowl seal?

    Who needs to order and wait for parts when you're on a mission! BTW, it purrs like a kitten. You guys in India have met your match when it comes to repairing the impossible! I learned it by watching you! Rebuild an alternator with nothing more than a pair of pliers and a forge? I respect that!

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    Re: Vaccines

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    You mean you'll use a discarded automobile dieler pulley to hold a large O-ring in place while you grind it flat to make it fit in an old obsolete carburetor bowl seal?

    Who needs to order and wait for parts when you're on a mission! BTW, it purrs like a kitten. You guys in India have met your match when it comes to repairing the impossible! I learned it by watching you! Rebuild an alternator with nothing more than a pair of pliers and a forge? I respect that!
    I didnt understand much of it, besides some google images...

    But sounds like some impromptu adaptation, which is a wonderful thing.... except uhh... indians will do that and then charge you for the full part. And that is good, that is good !!

    The better ones are those who will, remove some brand new part from your vehicle and replace it with something you just described...
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    Greedy algorithms always get stuck in a local extrema...

    If you cannot determine global extrema... or if the graph (or space) is infinite, genetic algorithms give better results.

    The function space or hypothesis space is not only infinite, but in most cases, have infinite dimensions.

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    Re: Vaccines

    Quote Originally Posted by McDudeski McGee View Post
    Let's not confuse modern science with medieval scholasticism. Despite what postmodern philosophers of science like Thomas Kuhn have written, most of the hard sciences are still cut-and-dry brute force induction.
    I am not confusing anything, I am saying how research into anything unknown non-trivial proceeds. There are many potential sources of error and no result is ever final. Everybody in research team proposes a theory, and then it is tested for falsification, and then out of the survivors the most parsimonious (most simple or minimum transactions) is chosen.

    The parsimonious criteria may become undecidable, because of dimensionality of a problem (like 3,4 or 4,3 which one is greater ?), at which point all the involved people go back to drawing board.

    The brute force involved where expertise/experience REALLY counts is coming up with a good hypothesis that has the decent chance of survival in above two trials. If you dont have much experience, you will have a really hard time coming up with anything useful.

    This is the universal trial and error method, used even in engineering, medical diagnosis. The mathematical model of this method is the foundation of AI, which can approximate any algorithm given enough training data.
    Greedy algorithms always get stuck in a local extrema...

    If you cannot determine global extrema... or if the graph (or space) is infinite, genetic algorithms give better results.

    The function space or hypothesis space is not only infinite, but in most cases, have infinite dimensions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McDudeski McGee View Post
    Yup, most of the damage has been done. Deadliest event in American history; kids will read about it in schools. Covid policy at this point is partisan theater.
    It's been politicized in a really weird way. In America the Right/Conservatives seem to be Anti Vax and in Australia we have some of that but even before CoVid we have had Left and Right wingers who have been staunchly Anti Vax. Then you also have opportunists who I believe don't give a shit about vaccines at all but see disgruntled people and jump on board.

    Both sides are playing on people's fear regardless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kryptic View Post
    I can see division between Vaxxed and UnVaxxed although I think anyone with a medical reason for not getting Vaxxed would be ok. I can also see the Anti Vaxxers not helping themselves at all by the way they behave and I think someone of them are just using it as an excuse really rather than any real interest in vaccines or freedoms one way or the other.
    This statement conveniently ignores the possibility/probability that the unvaxxed have done rigorous research and have uncovered many disturbing facts about these vaccines and the massive government efforts to force them upon their populations. As such, I think it not only does a grave disservice to those people, it's also rather condescending and dismissive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McDudeski McGee View Post
    My man, you're also confusing Popper and Bayes. It seems like you lean toward Bayes given you seem have to knowledge of machine learning which is really cool stuff. Bayesianism implies we need to say goodbye to falsificationism in the context of scientific justification.
    Bayesianism... just because I said Machine Learning ?! Do you know what algorithm and computation is ? It maps a set of inputs to a set of outputs. Which means, if you have just the inputs and outputs, there is NO formula to figure out the algorithm, and there cannot exist any.

    Which means we need the most efficient method to do it.

    Falsification means you dont deviate more than an acceptable error. There is ALWAYS an acceptable error, even in whatever you are calling "hard science". I hope you heard about Uncertainty Principle right ?

    And then parsimony criteria exists to reduce the costs or risks or both.

    Quote Originally Posted by McDudeski McGee View Post
    The big picture is that hard science is usually about locking down grant money and submitting papers. It isn't a debate club, not even with interpreting quantum mechanics.
    Ah so you are alleging that just because some do it, ALL of them do it ? And most importantly the researchers I have worked with, done it ?

    Quote Originally Posted by McDudeski McGee View Post
    I know it is spooky Halloween season, but should we really expect the phlogiston theory of combustion, or the caloric theory of heat, or the luminiferous ether, to come back from the grave? Einstein once remarked that the core ideas of thermodynamics will never be overturned. I think he was right.
    Sounds like you never heard about criticisms and debates about Casimir effect ? Or neutrinos ? Or black hole information loss ?

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    When we don't have a better theory, anomalies in practice just get tabled.
    They await better theories to be proposed which pass the tests.

    Quote Originally Posted by McDudeski McGee View Post
    I agree. Without theoretical guidance, scientists will use heuristics on the fly and just crunch though experimental possibilities. I.G. Farben discovered and developed sulfonamide drugs in 1895 this way -- they had an idea that dyes might be connected with therapeutic properties and bulldozed their way through different combinations, concentrations, etc. until they found something.

    Nick Fuentes yesterday said he would rather die than take the flu vaccine. A deep understanding of science, or even familiarity with scientific practice, is not what is motivating the Nikki Minaj fan club.
    Nick Fuentes, Nikki Minaj ?!? Where did they come from ? Is it again some allegation that I sound like them ? Or influenced by them ?

    Look, dude. You are new here. Dont try to act smarter than you are, because you arent.
    Greedy algorithms always get stuck in a local extrema...

    If you cannot determine global extrema... or if the graph (or space) is infinite, genetic algorithms give better results.

    The function space or hypothesis space is not only infinite, but in most cases, have infinite dimensions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McDudeski McGee View Post
    

No they don’t! Kuhn and Popper descriptively had the right idea of how science operates; they just slur over a much-needed distinction between the context of scientific discovery and the context of justification. 

For centuries, physicists did not wait for a better theory than Newtonian mechanics. The precession of perihelion of Mercury never fit the equations until Einstein developed general relativity; it never falsified Newtonian mechanics during the entire life of the theory. Scientists simply just don't toss out theories wholesale over anomalies. Sometimes the models are grossly inadequate but move the ball up the field -- think of the Bohr atom. Even today when we get beyond the hydrogen atom in quantum mechanics there is no exactness, just a bunch of annoying perturbation theory.
    Because after Einstein developed general relativity and it outclassed newton physics, it was not "tossed out", it was put under constraints. The constraints of every day normal motion. Under those constraints newton's theories give results within acceptable error, and is simpler than relativity. Scientists dont throw babies out with bathwater.

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Falsification is Popper's response to inductive skepticism. He thought that if theories can’t be empirically proved (I don't share his modernist pessimism), they can be falsified. His idea is not what is done in practice and it doesn't even work in theory. Ayer once imagined a logical possibility where a verification initially fails, and then is “immunized” by the failure, and all future verifications succeed. The implication is that Popper's idea becomes unwieldly when dealing with statistical phenomena compared to bread-and-butter empiricism, which is what I recommend.
    Falsification means within acceptable error to increase efficiency and reduce costs.

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Physics is an example of a hard science; sociology is an example of a soft science.
    



    Yup. I am trained in one STEM field and currently work in another. So I can talk about Hilbert’s Entscheidungsproblem and Turing’s work and other stuff grew out of it — time complexity, space complexity, completeness, automata, the work of Alonzo Church, Emil Post, Gödel, etc.
    


    A competent person would not confuse this with statistical or empirical uncertainty. In quantum mechanics, the uncertainty principle is an inherent property of a system. The statistical test framework in contrast ultimately comes from R.A Fisher’s work. A confidence statement has the form that given a data set, an unknown quantity lies within an interval estimated from a method with such and such probability (e.g. 0.95). There’s the Neyman-Pearson framework with Type I/Type II errors, all of that stuff.



    I’m aware of the philosophical issues here too. Neyman argued there is no such thing as inductive inference, only inductive behavior, which is a genuine problem for the Bayesian from a frequentist.



    A competent person will also understand that all measurements will eventually end up measuring something from the physical space, which means they are always bound by uncertainty principle, but it will be negligible for any practical concern.

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    You snuck the word debates in there, but you mean criticisms and not debates. Yes, people publish papers on the frontiers of science. None of that implies that science is endless debating, especially when certain theories are backed by mountains of evidence. Fred Hoyle's theory of the steady state universe was dead when cosmic background radiation was verified, which confirmed the big bang.
    And yet, you are the one bringing philosophy and nikki minaj into conversation. Yes, criticisms which stay unresolved, start debates which lead to better theory, otherwise we would still be stuck with newtonian universe and gaseous aether.

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    tl;dr There is such a thing as settled science. Which means anti-vaxxers who claim governments are being mean to them need a better argument than that scientific conclusions only arise from a long tedious process of scholastic disputation.
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    There is such a thing called violence. I dont need your agreement or opinion. I only need to outwit or kill anybody who comes to forcefully vaccinate me.
    Greedy algorithms always get stuck in a local extrema...

    If you cannot determine global extrema... or if the graph (or space) is infinite, genetic algorithms give better results.

    The function space or hypothesis space is not only infinite, but in most cases, have infinite dimensions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malinois View Post
    It’s only paranoia if someone is NOT out to get you! lol

    Certain fuckers out there are chomping at the bit, and cheering on population reduction.
    Nonsense. The vaccines started under PRESIDENT Trump and he always put Americans first.

    I'm fully vaccinated. So all the people that tell me to wear a mask can suck my dick.

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    It really comes to personal choice. I'm in a similar situation as the OP. I still don't know which way I'm going to go with this. There truly is something insidious with what's going on with these mandates. It is completely illegal but no one is ready to do anything yet. As another poster said, everyone is waiting on someone else to do the dirty work. Nothing will change until things get bad enough.

    I wouldn't fault anyone who decides to get the vaccine because it's easy to be an idealist when you have nothing to lose.
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