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    Vaccines

    Wondering everyone’s opinion here. I don’t trust too many people, especially the ones pushing this so hard. I take great care of myself, have had covid with hardly any effects, and I don’t want or need a vaccine. I have a major problem with any mandatory medical procedure that is not needed. I will fall into the 100 employee mandate, and plan to make them fire me if this mandate is passed, even though I have i very high paying job that I love. Is anyone else in this position ? What do others in this situation plan on doing ?

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    It's worth getting vaccinated even if you've already had covid. You end up with the best antibodies against it that way. Fitness guru Bill Phillips was in great physical shape, but the mistake he made was he thought since he had already had covid, he would have all the antibodies he needed. So he didn't get vaccinated. Then he caught covid and it nearly killed him. You don't have to trust big pharma in every way, but trust the scientists. The scientists the world over say the Pfizer and the Moderna vaccines pose much, much less risk than the risk of covid itself. I may not trust them with other meds like their damn antidepressants, but I'm good with the vaccinations. IMO you should go for it so that you have all the best possible antibodies against covid. I did have some side effects from the vaccine, but they were nothing I couldn't live with. The first night, I felt a little feverish, but it was minor. I also had a sore arm like someone had punched me. That shit's no big deal compared to having the disease.

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    There's an obvious agenda with them, all the censorship and subterfuge - over tallied deaths, under-reported adverse affects from the vaccine.
    If you're young you could have a higher % chance of getting a serious reaction to the vaccine than actual covid, with all how the statistics seem to never get released who knows? Get Vacc'd or not, you can get sick either way - its not even a vaccine at this point as those actually prevent you from getting sick in the first place.

    If more than 1% of the world population actually died that weren't elderly or with pre-existing medical conditions, than maybe there could be a real pandemic that would make experimental medication necessary. Such a non-issue that no one has even bothered to investigate ground zero in the China Lab where it originated from.

    Too many politics, not enough science. If I was in my 50s instead of 20s I may consider it due to the higher risk profile, as is who gives a shit - non issue for my age bracket, wait and see approach.

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    I would not risk a job that I both like and pay well.

    Of course 2030 agenda is real. They even want you to know that. But I wouldn´t go far as assume it´s the begin of mandatory transhumanism, not yet.

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    Re: Vaccines

    Quote Originally Posted by Money&freedom View Post
    Wondering everyone’s opinion here. I don’t trust too many people, especially the ones pushing this so hard. I take great care of myself, have had covid with hardly any effects, and I don’t want or need a vaccine. I have a major problem with any mandatory medical procedure that is not needed. I will fall into the 100 employee mandate, and plan to make them fire me if this mandate is passed, even though I have i very high paying job that I love. Is anyone else in this position ? What do others in this situation plan on doing ?
    You were right and you are still right.

    See my posts in this topic:

    https://www.goingyourownway.com/mgto...e-would-14362/

    Also this post:

    https://www.goingyourownway.com/mgto...19/#post164019

    Ignore the cheap jab someone took at the guy's surname. IMO it's beneath this board's standards.

    More and more data is (are) coming in every week supporting your position, and mine, and many others'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustWannaRetireFk View Post
    There's an obvious agenda with them, all the censorship and subterfuge - over tallied deaths, under-reported adverse affects from the vaccine.
    If you're young you could have a higher % chance of getting a serious reaction to the vaccine than actual covid, with all how the statistics seem to never get released who knows? Get Vacc'd or not, you can get sick either way - its not even a vaccine at this point as those actually prevent you from getting sick in the first place.

    If more than 1% of the world population actually died that weren't elderly or with pre-existing medical conditions, than maybe there could be a real pandemic that would make experimental medication necessary. Such a non-issue that no one has even bothered to investigate ground zero in the China Lab where it originated from.

    Too many politics, not enough science. If I was in my 50s instead of 20s I may consider it due to the higher risk profile, as is who gives a shit - non issue for my age bracket, wait and see approach.
    Being in your 20s helps for your overall good health, but it does not exempt you from covid infection. Younger people can get infected too. While you have a younger and mostly better immune system, it does not mean this virus can't hurt you. That thing can damage the lungs and heart. You would be way better off with the advantage of all those antibodies you get via the vaccine. That way, if you get exposed to covid, your body just fights it off right away with you probably not even getting sick. This is way better than catching covid and having your immune system overwhelmed and maybe having to go into intensive care in the hospital. It's better to be vaccinated and avoid letting that disease damage your lungs and/or heart for the rest of your life.

    Being young helps. But it's not a magic bullet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TigPlaze View Post
    Being in your 20s helps for your overall good health, but it does not exempt you from covid infection. Younger people can get infected too. While you have a younger and mostly better immune system, it does not mean this virus can't hurt you. That thing can damage the lungs and heart. You would be way better off with the advantage of all those antibodies you get via the vaccine. That way, if you get exposed to covid, your body just fights it off right away with you probably not even getting sick. This is way better than catching covid and having your immune system overwhelmed and maybe having to go into intensive care in the hospital. It's better to be vaccinated and avoid letting that disease damage your lungs and/or heart for the rest of your life.

    Being young helps. But it's not a magic bullet.
    You're not wrong, yet the potential effects of CV and at the same time the vaccine may as well have an equal chance of occurring either way, whichever I'd go with.
    So far the younger you are, the more statistically insignificant the chances of the serious effects cropping up become - not old, yet not exactly young - stuck between a rock and a hard place and I'm just sitting in-between them for now lol.

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    I've been double Pfizer vaxxed (no third booster vax here in Oz) and asides from a sore arm for a couple of days I have been fine.

    I am as cautious and cynical as the next guy. There was no way I was getting Astra Zeneca, would have preferred Moderna but that was not available when I started the booking process. It is only starting to become available now.

    What really started swaying me towards getting Vaxxed was the Anti Vaxxers themselves. They just don't make any sense and contradict themselves and their own arguments. Don't go on about foreign bodies being injected into your system when you're covered in tattoos, drink, smoke and probably do drugs etc! Among many other things.

    Not to mention thinking 5G can cause a respiratory problem and then saying medication intended for animals is the way to go. If you are going to oppose something at least make sense and be logical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kryptic View Post
    I've been double Pfizer vaxxed (no third booster vax here in Oz) and asides from a sore arm for a couple of days I have been fine.
    Likewise, except I didn't even get the sore arm. They were sharing stats about coronavirus hospitalisations on the news this morning and something like 80-90% were unvaccinated. Sort of speaks for itself really.

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    If you go back in history, there's always people that talk shit on vaccines. There is a bullshit post floating around saying only vaccinated people died during the 1918 flu. Not true. There's also religious mark of the beast talk from people that obviously never read the bible.I have got both my Pfizer shots and had no side effects expect for a sore upper arm and some tiredness. I recommend getting vaccinated. Its not worth losing your job over unfounded paranoia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McDudeski McGee View Post
    If anything, they're undercounted. Such deaths are showing up in the mortality statistics.

    Life expectancy in the United States fell by 1.5 years last year. Black life expectancy dropped by 2.9 years. Hispanic men had the biggest decline, dropping by 3.7 years.

    I can understand if someone said a manly civilization should have contempt for death, risk is part of life, we should live heroically, the risk is real but doesn't warrant lockdowns or mandates, letting stupid people die has a eugenic effect -- you might not agree with any of that stuff, but it least makes sense on its own terms. Instead we're hearing bizarre shit -- Bill Gates wants to inject you with nanobots so the Lizard People can control us using the 5G towers. Or the pandemic is totally not real, millions of medical professionals are in on a conspiracy, and you can protect yourself from the imaginary pandemic by ingesting arthritis treatments, iodine antiseptics, horse tranquilizers, and bleach.
    Life expectancy wise, older people are the one's most likely to die from CV, hence it makes sense that it would go down, less I misinterpreted how its calculated.

    Between the insane shit with anti-vax and the brainwashing of masses hating on anyone that isn't - I prefer to wait in the middle and see how this utter bullshit boils over, cause you can't trust either side - what ever happened to moderation and measured approaches, instead it's constant lockdowns, forced restrictions and government's grabbing whatever executive power they can in a so called state of emergency and censoring anything that goes against the narrative, tired of all this BS.

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    Re: Vaccines

    Quote Originally Posted by McDudeski McGee View Post
    If anything, they're undercounted. Such deaths are showing up in the mortality statistics.

    Life expectancy in the United States fell by 1.5 years last year. Black life expectancy dropped by 2.9 years. Hispanic men had the biggest decline, dropping by 3.7 years.

    I can understand if someone said a manly civilization should have contempt for death, risk is part of life, we should live heroically, the risk is real but doesn't warrant lockdowns or mandates, letting stupid people die has a eugenic effect -- you might not agree with any of that stuff, but it least makes sense on its own terms. Instead we're hearing bizarre shit -- Bill Gates wants to inject you with nanobots so the Lizard People can control us using the 5G towers. Or the pandemic is totally not real, millions of medical professionals are in on a conspiracy, and you can protect yourself from the imaginary pandemic by ingesting arthritis treatments, iodine antiseptics, horse tranquilizers, and bleach.
    I wouldn’t consider myself a Trumptard but, I voted for him for some VERY good reasons. Anyways, if you sit down, crack a beer, and actually watch and listen to the speech that everyone points to saying “Everyone should inject bleach!”, you will see that accusation has no legs.

    I have watched multiple videos in which Bill Gates proposes ideas to “tinker” with population dynamics. What gives him the right to even propose such threats?

    I have been across 12 states by way of motorcycle since the covid came on the news. I was in San Diego when the first outbreaks were being reported. In the last year and a half I did not witness one single person drop dead in the USA, like the fake China snuff videos showed them happening on the reggie. Not one hospital was full, and I did not go to one big box store, one single time, so I only saw people wearing masks on Indian reservations, or driving down the road by themselves. Like maybe 1% of places I visited did I have to wear a mask.

    Lots of crowded spaces, still no piles of bodies like the news says there should be.

    Maybe when 6G services take off, we all get Havana Syndrome…It really is plausible…lol




    I respect everyone’s decision on their choice to take, or to not take the vax. But, unless you are willing to wager your life against mine, you have no say in what kind of medical “upgrades” I should take. My immune system beat one thing in November 2019, and something fierce the following January. Never got tested, never went to a doctor, and haven’t missed a day’s work in years…

    I find it pretty coincidental that France had just banned public face coverings/ burka-ban, directly prior to the first reports of the “bat virus from China”. I mean, there also really WAS a large, multinational military drill, which revolved around a biological attack.

    Didn’t a Canadian scientist defect as a spy with sample of a biological weapon. It was in the news, before all of the BLM riots, that happened all over the country, then not many people witnessed because news station didn’t cover it?

    lol WTF is happening to this freaking world?

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    Once the government and employers can establish this level of control over people, under the excuse of an emergency situation, they will think up new emergencies rather than call an eventual end to this level of control. There will be new emergencies, or things that they will try to pass off as emergencies.

    You likely have seen the many videos and tweets catching people in power saying and promoting things that you never thought people in power would say or promote? Did you ever imagine people would turn on us like that?

    Boy, does President Ronald Reagan's old quote mean so much today:

    "Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Money&freedom View Post
    Wondering everyone’s opinion here. I don’t trust too many people, especially the ones pushing this so hard. I take great care of myself, have had covid with hardly any effects, and I don’t want or need a vaccine. I have a major problem with any mandatory medical procedure that is not needed. I will fall into the 100 employee mandate, and plan to make them fire me if this mandate is passed, even though I have i very high paying job that I love. Is anyone else in this position ? What do others in this situation plan on doing ?
    I admire your character. I am retired so this job dilemma does not face me. Still, I remain unvaccinated and as MGTOW I do not have the need to interact with other people as others do. It has served me well all my life that, when the majority zigs, I zag, and then I lie low to see what really is going on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MGTOWFOREVER View Post
    If you go back in history, there's always people that talk shit on vaccines. There is a bullshit post floating around saying only vaccinated people died during the 1918 flu. Not true. There's also religious mark of the beast talk from people that obviously never read the bible.I have got both my Pfizer shots and had no side effects expect for a sore upper arm and some tiredness. I recommend getting vaccinated. Its not worth losing your job over unfounded paranoia.
    It’s only paranoia if someone is NOT out to get you! lol

    Certain fuckers out there are chomping at the bit, and cheering on population reduction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanielPlainview View Post
    Likewise, except I didn't even get the sore arm. They were sharing stats about coronavirus hospitalisations on the news this morning and something like 80-90% were unvaccinated. Sort of speaks for itself really.
    That stat could also just be a measure of how many people actually have taken the vax, if it includes the entire hospital. As opposed to what our “trusted” news sources are reciting at us…

    If you think modern “feminism” was just the fruit of a series unfortunate events, that left us this shit samwich, I suppose you would also be inclined to believe the vast amount of other events that suck are all also happenstance…

    Not, judging but, fuck the news anymore!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanielPlainview View Post
    Likewise, except I didn't even get the sore arm. They were sharing stats about coronavirus hospitalisations on the news this morning and something like 80-90% were unvaccinated. Sort of speaks for itself really.
    That's another thing that swayed me. The people dying and/or hospitalized from this weren't vaxxed. Younger people are also dying from it now too. And most notably Anti Vaxxers are getting it and dying so they do not have a good case. Besides I have been vaxxed for illnesses and diseases since I was a kid so why start trying to go hippie now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Malinois View Post
    I wouldn’t consider myself a Trumptard but, I voted for him for some VERY good reasons. Anyways, if you sit down, crack a beer, and actually watch and listen to the speech that everyone points to saying “Everyone should inject bleach!”, you will see that accusation has no legs.

    Lots of crowded spaces, still no piles of bodies like the news says there should be.

    I respect everyone’s decision on their choice to take, or to not take the vax. But, unless you are willing to wager your life against mine, you have no say in what kind of medical “upgrades” I should take. My immune system beat one thing in November 2019, and something fierce the following January. Never got tested, never went to a doctor, and haven’t missed a day’s work in years…
    Trump could have cured cancer, solved world hunger and saved all the puppies and they would still hate him.

    I am not Anti Vax at all but I do believe that it isn't quite as contagious as they make it out to be. We have had infected people come into my workplace and by rights by now at least half of my team should have it but so far (fingers crossed) not one. I also travel on the train and still shop at supermarkets. So far nothing.

    That's another issue I have with Anti Vaxxers. If they don't want it that's fine but they should also be limited in their movements so they don't infect others or become a plague on the health system. But also they shouldn't be stopping or interfering with others trying to get Vaxxed. Down here they have abused and spat on nurses and health care workers in Vax clinics, even abused members of the public. Not a great way to try and get people on your side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kryptic View Post
    That's another thing that swayed me. The people dying and/or hospitalized from this weren't vaxxed. Younger people are also dying from it now too. And most notably Anti Vaxxers are getting it and dying so they do not have a good case. Besides I have been vaxxed for illnesses and diseases since I was a kid so why start trying to go hippie now.
    The covid vaccine is still experimental, having bypassed the lengthy approval process given to the vaccines that you and I already took for other maladies. So, consider there may not be the equivalency to Covid that you give it.

    Israel and the UK have the highest rates of vaccination. Try googling "israel uk vaxxed are dying" and see what you think.


    That's another issue I have with Anti Vaxxers. If they don't want it that's fine but they should also be limited in their movements so they don't infect others or become a plague on the health system.
    The shortages in hospitals, in the USA at least, are not all references to lack of beds but are from lack of medical staff who quit rather than take the vaccine. There is a ton of clever reporting out there.

    Does the vaccine makes one immune from infection by the unvaccinated? Depends on who you ask, doesn't it? Isn't that something?

    If yes, then the vaccinated need not worry about themselves. In this scenario, I'd argue it is up to each unvaccinated person to take the risk of association with other unvaccinated persons. If they die, there's one less carrier of the virus, for those who rejoice in that. If they survive, they have great immunity.

    If no, then I'd argue that I see little incentive for getting an experimental vaccine where the "truth" about it seems to change as the data keeps rolling in from the guinea pigs (er, vaxxed folks, sorry).


    As recent as March 29, 2021, Rachel Maddow, cable talk show host** who is hugely popular with women, stated this on her show:

    “The virus stops with every vaccinated person… A vaccinated person gets exposed to the virus. The virus does not infect them. The virus cannot use that person to go anywhere else. That means the vaccines will get us to the end of this. If we just go fast enough to get the whole population vaccinated."

    She went out of her way to make those several individual statements. She is wrong as rain. But guess how many people still believe what she said.

    So, what do you do with a failed vaccine? Why, you recommend more of it! The CEO of Pfizer considers himself equal to a government policy-maker in saying we should look for an annual vaccination. How can he possibly know the future when nothing that has been said has been accurate thus far? Gee, no conflict of interest there. Invest in his stock, he just told us to.

    (**Maddow got sued for false reporting of something else in 2019 but a Federal judge decided that she was a talk show, not strictly a source of facts.)

    Oh.

    Moving on...

    08-23-2021 - A preprint paper by the prestigious Oxford University Clinical Research Group, published Aug. 10 in The Lancet, found vaccinated individuals carry 251 times the load of COVID-19 viruses in their nostrils compared to the unvaccinated.


    That's because they can handle a higher load without becoming symptomatic. And haven't I noticed that the government has made vaccinated people so overconfident thinking they are safe that they gather in large groups, and without masks, and no one can know which ones of them are infected but asymptomatic, breathing their viral funk onto everyone else?

    They're Typhoid Marys! Restrict the movements of vaccinated people! They're a danger to all of us! LOL

    I'm unvaccinated and, from where I sit, these proud vaccinated folks with their huge viral loads pose a greater threat to me than I do to them! What a twist, huh?

    But, to be fair, even that preprint (which, I understand, means it had not been peer-reviewed), was challenged as being misleading.


    But also they shouldn't be stopping or interfering with others trying to get Vaxxed.
    Can't say I disagree with you, so I did give pause as to whether I should make this post. But, you seemed so resolute that I decided anything I say here probably won't interfere with you.

    Besides, by the time you read this, any of it will be outdated!
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    Vaccine manufacturers are immune from lawsuits.
    'Regular' vaccines usually go through 10 years or so of testing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by osantium View Post
    Vaccine manufacturers are immune from lawsuits.
    They are not immune to bullets or explosions or any kind of physical impact in general.

    The problem is, most of the people on both sides want someone else to do the dirty work for them. Dirty work means violence. Its just like BLM/Antifa being anti-police clown show. They will all bitch and moan about how awful the police is, right up until the moment they need them.

    How many pro-covid vax will volunteer to physically drag the anti-vaxx out of their homes and throw them in prison ? Or how many anti-covid-vax will be willing to do the similar ?

    If that sounds too outlandish to anybody, then maybe read the opening post again. His situation is just a few steps away from physical dragging. It will eventually come to that. We all are a house divided, and soon there wont be enough room to accommodate the people from other side. Both sides of the covid/vax issue see other side as a problem, the battle lines are being drawn.

    The ONLY solution is to separate and go our own ways, quite literally the MGTOW solution. The problem is, in this case, separate ways means physical separation, on land, in social systems, in education system, in the way government is run, in everything. We simply cannot live with one another in peace, not for long. And if we cannot separate, well then, all of this is going to get much more physical and much more real (if not already in some places).
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    I'm 55, got AZ, will get the next one in a couple of weeks. Sore arm for a few days.

    Got it mostly because my friends, who are smarter than me and whose judgement I trust, got it. And because I decided that when it came right down to it, I'd trust the CSIRO before "some guy on the internet".

    I went the AZ rather than hanging out for Pfizer because - well - because I am a bit of a conspiracy nut, and I couldn't help noticing that all the noise about how AZ will kill you and you absolutely got to have the Pfizer jab mostly benefits Pfizer corporation. Not that American pharma companies would ever do such a wicked thing as to spread misinformation that might kill people about their competition, dear me no!


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