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    Trump may lose again in 2024. But according to sources, he may win in 2029.

    From UnBoxxed:

    https://www.goingyourownway.com/mgto...he-next-16670/


    I want to vote for Trump in 2024, and I will vote for him, in 2024, knowing the outcome.

    I always put my faith in God, and Jesus Christ, before any one else. That's important.

    Right now, Trump is fighting in the court against DOJ and the FBI. There's sources from The Benny Show podcast that Biden may have ordered FBI to raid Trump's Mar-a-Lago Club home.

    Biden lied and said that he doesn't know or not aware of the FBI raiding Trump's Mar-a-Lago Club home, and said he didn't order FBI to raid.

    So, we all know that Trump is Biden's "political" rival. So Biden dared to raid his home!

    So, if you read UnBOXXED's sources that Trump may lose in 2024 and win in 2029.

    Right now, the democrats are making everything worse for every day Americans. If Trump loses in 2024, we are in deep shit.
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    Re: Trump may lose again in 2024. But according to sources, he may win in 2029.

    Dear God, Americans, don't install another 80-year-old as POTUS. Not even Trump. Vote for someone in their late 40s/early 50s.

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    Re: Trump may lose again in 2024. But according to sources, he may win in 2029.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wombat View Post
    Dear God, Americans, don't install another 80-year-old as POTUS. Not even Trump. Vote for someone in their late 40s/early 50s.
    I would agree. However, itíll take some convincing to get me to believe ANYONE is actually ďelectedĒ anymore. Elections here are severely manipulated.

    I would love to see Trump win in Ď24. He will be 78, and cognitively (now at least) he is light years better than this buffoon we have currently. In Ď28? Forget it. 82 is just too old.

    There should be an age limit of 80. No running for public office after that.

    But, again, the process is so corrupt that right now it doesnít really matter.

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    Re: Trump may lose again in 2024. But according to sources, he may win in 2029.

    Quote Originally Posted by Survivor64 View Post
    I would agree. However, it’ll take some convincing to get me to believe ANYONE is actually “elected” anymore. Elections here are severely manipulated.

    I would love to see Trump win in ‘24. He will be 78, and cognitively (now at least) he is light years better than this buffoon we have currently. In ‘28? Forget it. 82 is just too old.

    There should be an age limit of 80. No running for public office after that.

    But, again, the process is so corrupt that right now it doesn’t really matter.
    Take it from this grassroot patriot, freedom, justice and this deceased republic have nothing in common, it's a dead body politic that has been poisoned with it's arsenic spread throughout each and every limb all the way down to it's twigs like us.

    The below photos are a perfect metaphor for where I live and the measures I've taken to survive the atrocity of America for all it's intents and purposes vanishing from the land forever in so creating this legal void lost in space.

    Dead republics never spring back to life, they become history, something else springs forth and consumes the corpse for it's own survival and that something is people like me.

    America is an intangible dream world that doesn't exist in our reality on this timeline and the transformations we've seen.

    The political death of this land is a red pill that by law and order I was force fed and had to swallow.








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    Re: Trump may lose again in 2024. But according to sources, he may win in 2029.

    So Trump is the only one that can fix America, despite his age. I would agree, the elections can't be trusted anymore, because Democrats rigging the elections.

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    Re: Trump may lose again in 2024. But according to sources, he may win in 2029.

    Quote Originally Posted by UnKnownSurviving View Post
    So Trump is the only one that can fix America, despite his age. I would agree, the elections can't be trusted anymore, because Democrats rigging the elections.
    Trump's an outsider in the world of global Marxism. It's not only bums rush rigged elections, it's the dual standard two tier injustice system, such as the weaponization of the FBI/DOJ, IRS, and others at the disposal of the democrat party. Blind to injustice while persecuting the just. Orwellian has come to life in everything they say, do, or touch.

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    Re: Trump may lose again in 2024. But according to sources, he may win in 2029.

    Truth ^^^^^^
    Fact is, most Republicans are not crazy about Trump either. Heís a threat to their cushy, entitled, corrupt (yes, some Republicans do the same kind of shit Pelosi and Hunter do) way of swamp life.

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    Re: Trump may lose again in 2024. But according to sources, he may win in 2029.

    Quote Originally Posted by Survivor64 View Post
    Truth ^^^^^^
    Fact is, most Republicans are not crazy about Trump either. He’s a threat to their cushy, entitled, corrupt (yes, some Republicans do the same kind of shit Pelosi and Hunter do) way of swamp life.

    That's the problems. These Republicans are RINOS!! Liz Cheney is one! She was super pissed against the American people voting her out, because Americans favor Trump-backed opponent of hers. Good riddance, we don't want the likes of Liz Cheney!!!

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    Re: Trump may lose again in 2024. But according to sources, he may win in 2029.

    Quote Originally Posted by UnKnownSurviving View Post
    That's the problems. These Republicans are RINOS!! Liz Cheney is one! She was super pissed against the American people voting her out, because Americans favor Trump-backed opponent of hers. Good riddance, we don't want the likes of Liz Cheney!!!
    Some Republicans are are legit genuine to the Americans, so we have a lot of Trump-backed Republicans winning the primaries, and end up pissing lot of Rino Republicans, because these Rinos are NOT DOING THEIR JOBS for the Americans.

    A lot of the Trump-backed Republicans are rising out of nothing, and almost have no experience, are only wanting to help Americans, because they have real world experience of problems of American people. So they're rising up to help solve American people's problems. A lot of these Rino Republicans that were defeated, (including Democrats) were forced to accept the outcome.

    Liz Cheney is NOT accepting that American people voted her out, and find someone else better than her.

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    Re: Trump may lose again in 2024. But according to sources, he may win in 2029.

    Quote Originally Posted by UnKnownSurviving View Post
    Liz Cheney is NOT accepting that American people voted her out, and find someone else better than her.
    Liz Cheney is mulling a presidential run as an Independent in 2024. That will really work out for the GOP nominee because she will peel off a good chunk of votes for the Dem nominee. Of course she has no chance to win, but the damage to the Dems will be done nonetheless.

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    Re: Trump may lose again in 2024. But according to sources, he may win in 2029.

    I've voted for Republicans, I've voted for Democrats. I've served in city commission roles, worked in the private sector, helped multiple candidates raise money for office- at the city and federal level.

    I have never seen a politician as ignorant on policy (the core matter of politics) as Trump. Never. Not even close. I've never witnessed someone so utterly unqualified. All of America could simply watch the debates and realize he doesn't even have a layman's idea of how a core program like Social Security works, or our foreign policy positions towards various countries.

    The only thing that explain it in my mind is that he was convinced people he is a successful businessman, but is actually a trust-funder. I know a handful of trust-funders in my life- and they all have the same personality. They are all outspoken, stupid, and lazy. Fortune shows how if Trump simply invested his inheritance (widely undervalued) in an index fund, he'd have billions more than he has today. Whatever activity he undertook, he lost money. Better off just putting it in the market.

    He was the closest thing we ever had to a figurehead. All they let him do is tweet. No one listened to him: not the military, not the Senate. I remember reading on how he held a meeting with senators on an early bill during his administration- tax cuts- and made a fool of himself not knowing the answers to any of the questions the senators asked. He could bluff the commoner, but not anyone else.

    Thereafter, his chief of staff kept him out of any dealings with Congress. Presidents must be opinion leaders or rubber stamps; since his opinions were not backed by substance, they were disregarded by others in power, and he was as much of a 'rubber stamp President' as one can get. He tweeted- that was his contribution (which he could have done as a private citizen).

    If he did not buy himself the primary 6 years ago, we never would have heard about his political career.

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    Re: Trump may lose again in 2024. But according to sources, he may win in 2029.

    Quote Originally Posted by jagrmeister View Post
    I've voted for Republicans, I've voted for Democrats. I've served in city commission roles, worked in the private sector, helped multiple candidates raise money for office- at the city and federal level.

    I have never seen a politician as ignorant on policy (the core matter of politics) as Trump. Never. Not even close. I've never witnessed someone so utterly unqualified. All of America could simply watch the debates and realize he doesn't even have a layman's idea of how a core program like Social Security works, or our foreign policy positions towards various countries.

    The only thing that explain it in my mind is that he was convinced people he is a successful businessman, but is actually a trust-funder. I know a handful of trust-funders in my life- and they all have the same personality. They are all outspoken, stupid, and lazy. Fortune shows how if Trump simply invested his inheritance (widely undervalued) in an index fund, he'd have billions more than he has today. Whatever activity he undertook, he lost money. Better off just putting it in the market.

    He was the closest thing we ever had to a figurehead. All they let him do is tweet. No one listened to him: not the military, not the Senate. I remember reading on how he held a meeting with senators on an early bill during his administration- tax cuts- and made a fool of himself not knowing the answers to any of the questions the senators asked. He could bluff the commoner, but not anyone else.

    Thereafter, his chief of staff kept him out of any dealings with Congress. Presidents must be opinion leaders or rubber stamps; since his opinions were not backed by substance, they were disregarded by others in power, and he was as much of a 'rubber stamp President' as one can get. He tweeted- that was his contribution (which he could have done as a private citizen).

    If he did not buy himself the primary 6 years ago, we never would have heard about his political career.

    Well, I have to disagree with that. He's an outsider. He was able to be successful and bring about what he said he would do. His policies. During his 1st term as president, Americans did not suffer under him, and when he left, he warned the American public publicly what Biden would do, when Biden stole the elections.

    And now, all Americans are suffering under Biden. It's very evident that Americans regret Biden's policies, even if they didn't vote for Biden.

    So Trump is RIGHT AGAIN. Many of Trump's predictions came to fruition, and he's constantly right again, yet the media refuse to acknowledge Trump's predictions. Because if the liberal media acknowledge Trump's predictions, and that it came to fruitions, then the liberal media would lose customers, and would lose vast majority of American bases that pay for their bullshit news.

    The liberal media knows this, and they don't want to risk it, because either way, the liberal media is still losing American customers, because the American citizens don't trust the liberal media.
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    Re: Trump may lose again in 2024. But according to sources, he may win in 2029.

    Quote Originally Posted by jagrmeister View Post

    I have never seen a politician as ignorant on policy (the core matter of politics) as Trump..
    Thatís a pretty bold statement considering the doddering, corrupt, incompetent Buffon that occupies the office today.

    Trump isnít a politician. Thatís the attraction. Same as the attraction to Regan.

    Lack of understanding of something like social security is a good thing. It should be simple, not the abortion it has become today. The government takes $$ out of your check and puts it in a retirement fund. That money belongs to the people who contributed to it and damn well better be there when itís time to take it out. Stealing it for some bogus political end to satisfy a bunch of greedy, crooked politicians is what makes it hard to understand.

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    Re: Trump may lose again in 2024. But according to sources, he may win in 2029.

    Quote Originally Posted by jagrmeister View Post
    I've voted for Republicans, I've voted for Democrats. I've served in city commission roles, worked in the private sector, helped multiple candidates raise money for office- at the city and federal level.

    I have never seen a politician as ignorant on policy (the core matter of politics) as Trump. Never. Not even close. I've never witnessed someone so utterly unqualified. All of America could simply watch the debates and realize he doesn't even have a layman's idea of how a core program like Social Security works, or our foreign policy positions towards various countries.

    The only thing that explain it in my mind is that he was convinced people he is a successful businessman, but is actually a trust-funder. I know a handful of trust-funders in my life- and they all have the same personality. They are all outspoken, stupid, and lazy. Fortune shows how if Trump simply invested his inheritance (widely undervalued) in an index fund, he'd have billions more than he has today. Whatever activity he undertook, he lost money. Better off just putting it in the market.

    He was the closest thing we ever had to a figurehead. All they let him do is tweet. No one listened to him: not the military, not the Senate. I remember reading on how he held a meeting with senators on an early bill during his administration- tax cuts- and made a fool of himself not knowing the answers to any of the questions the senators asked. He could bluff the commoner, but not anyone else.

    Thereafter, his chief of staff kept him out of any dealings with Congress. Presidents must be opinion leaders or rubber stamps; since his opinions were not backed by substance, they were disregarded by others in power, and he was as much of a 'rubber stamp President' as one can get. He tweeted- that was his contribution (which he could have done as a private citizen).

    If he did not buy himself the primary 6 years ago, we never would have heard about his political career.
    I'm not against people not liking Trump. I can understand that. His brash behavior can be misconstrued as an ignorant man or something. There's dozens of witnesses that meet Trump for the first time, and they can attest that what the liberal Media says about Trump is outright lies. Those witnesses experience first hand that Trump is an intelligent man. It's just that he has huge energy and his go-getter desire has attracted thousands of people over many decades.

    It's his policies that liberals and democrats despised. It's only then that Americans are realizing that during Biden's tenure as president that Trump's policies were actually better. Better for the American people, whether he or she is a democrat or republican.

    So, I don't blame you for not liking Trump's behavior. For me, I care about results, and Trump did bring about his results for the American people. I don't care for Trump's "erratic" behavior, as long he bring great results. After all, he is a business man. Most Americans cares about businesses.

    So Trump is the right man for the job.

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    Re: Trump may lose again in 2024. But according to sources, he may win in 2029.

    Quote Originally Posted by Survivor64 View Post
    That’s a pretty bold statement considering the doddering, corrupt, incompetent Buffon that occupies the office today.

    Trump isn’t a politician. That’s the attraction. Same as the attraction to Regan.

    Lack of understanding of something like social security is a good thing. It should be simple, not the abortion it has become today. The government takes $$ out of your check and puts it in a retirement fund. That money belongs to the people who contributed to it and damn well better be there when it’s time to take it out. Stealing it for some bogus political end to satisfy a bunch of greedy, crooked politicians is what makes it hard to understand.
    Somehow I knew you would play this "whataboutism" game. His supporters cannot explain his ignorance so they say "what about this guy?". Watch the debates- it was clear who knew about policy and who didn't. Biden was in the Senate over 30 years. He authored some of the most important bills passed.

    George W Bush was Governor of Texas for 6 years. Ronald Reagan was Governor of California for 2 terms. These people have ACTUAL experience and competence. If you don't buy yourself the primary, it takes real work to convince all the relevant parties you're qualified. I've seen that first-hand, in both parties.

    Trump skipped that step. In the end, in our mob-rule hyper-partisan "democracy", the people ultimately don't care about executive competence. They want to know "do you hate the same people I hate"? Which is usually the other party.

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    Re: Trump may lose again in 2024. But according to sources, he may win in 2029.

    Quote Originally Posted by UnKnownSurviving View Post
    I'm not against people not liking Trump.
    Nothing to do with his behavior. I've worked at all levels. I can size up whether someone has competence or not. Nothing to do with political parties- I've supported people in both parties. As mentioned he is NOT a businessman. Businessmen like me know who are real businessmen; look at his history, he's a trust-funder. He didn't bring any results. He's the only President in US history who lost more jobs during his term in office than gained jobs. He didn't build the wall like he said he would. He didn't drain any swamp. He added to corruption by getting trademarks in China and his son-in-law selling access. He is a confidence man. A guy like DeSantis actually has intelligence and executive competence.

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    Re: Trump may lose again in 2024. But according to sources, he may win in 2029.

    Quote Originally Posted by jagrmeister View Post
    Nothing to do with his behavior. I've worked at all levels. I can size up whether someone has competence or not. Nothing to do with political parties- I've supported people in both parties. As mentioned he is NOT a businessman. Businessmen like me know who are real businessmen; look at his history, he's a trust-funder. He didn't bring any results. He's the only President in US history who lost more jobs during his term in office than gained jobs. He didn't build the wall like he said he would. He didn't drain any swamp. He added to corruption by getting trademarks in China and his son-in-law selling access. He is a confidence man. A guy like DeSantis actually has intelligence and executive competence.
    I'm not sure where you're getting this information, and it seems to me, it's lot of this false information that I"m hearing from you, and most of it is from the Liberal media.

    I'm going to have to disagree with you on that. As I mentioned before, there's dozens of witnesses that knows Trump first hand themselves, and what they say is the opposite of what the liberal Media betray him as. One must be careful, because the liberal media not are honest in their research, because of their reputation, the American people no longer trust the media, especially the liberal media.

    I don't trust the liberal media. And what you say isn't lining up what I know of Trump. So not only there's dozens of witness report of first hand accounts from regular Americans, including Trump's family and business employees, they all say the same thing: Good boss, intelligent, keen acumen as businessman, kind and generous, loves his fellow Americans. Every where they meet, first hand account witnesses have more to say.

    (Also, I've watched documentary of Donald Trump as well in the past. And It's very interesting.)

    Jag, I want to thank you for the conversation. I respect your opinions and I'm going to just leave it as it is.
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    Re: Trump may lose again in 2024. But according to sources, he may win in 2029.

    July 27, 2022

    I was wrong about Trump

    By M.B. Mathews

    I recently wrote a column about why I believed Trump should not run in 2024. I was wrong. I allowed my distaste for Trump’s personality to override his virtues, which are considerable. Some people want Trump without his vices. I was among them -- until yesterday, when I watched and listened to Tom Klingenstein’s speech titled “Trump’s virtues.” It was masterful and shamed me that I did not make the distinction between Trump's character and his virtues, the former being deeply flawed, the latter being almost perfect. I need to man up in my defense of the former President's virtues. The speech was among the most pointed I have heard and deserves some exposure. Klingenstein says:


    We are still in need of the qualities of great leadership.

    Many leading Republicans and conservatives want someone other than Donald Trump to run for President in 2024. But this judgment requires an assessment of Trump’s vices and virtues in the context of our current political and cultural circumstances, as well as an assessment of other prospective Republican presidential candidates. Among the talked-about alternatives to Trump, I have not yet seen anyone who possesses either his virtues or his backbone. I am not suggesting that everyone make way for Trump; rather that it is too early to throw him overboard.

    I regularly ask Republican politicians what they think of Donald Trump. The most frequent response is some version of, “I like his policies but don’t like the rest of him.” But this formulation gets it almost backwards. Although Trump advanced many important policies, it is the “rest of him” that contains the virtues that inspired a movement.

    Trump was born for the current American crisis: the life and death struggle against the totalitarian enemy I call “woke communism.” The “woke comms” have seized every political, cultural, and economic center of power in the country from where they ruthlessly push their agenda. That agenda rests on the conviction that America is thoroughly bad (systemically racist) and must be destroyed.

    If there is one thing that patriotic Americans know about Trump it is that he, like them, is unequivocally pro-American and willing to fight to defend the American way of life. When Collin Kaepernick and his ilk knelt before the American flag, Trump called them “sons of bitches.” As always, he was being forceful, authentic, and unmistakably clear.

    Trump stood up for America every time he violated the strictures of political correctness. Trump has said over and over exactly what political correctness prohibits one from saying: “We have our culture, it’s exceptional, and that’s the way we want to keep it.” Trump’s contempt for political correctness showed patriotic Americans that its ever-tightening grip could be loosened. As Trump and his supporters know, political correctness cripples our ability to think clearly and act decisively.

    Trump said Haiti is a “shithole” and that Representative Maxine Waters has a low IQ. These were not racist lies but uncouth, politically incorrect observations that most people would agree with but not dare say. Most of us, conservatives no less than liberals, are reluctant to criticize black Americans for fear of being called a racist. Trump, on the other hand, is an equal opportunity criticizer. This is what we used to call “colorblindness.”

    Trump treated the woke media with the same contempt he treated political correctness, provoking their outrage and revealing their utter corruption.

    Trump made no apologies for America’s past. His unlimited confidence in America is, in this time of national doubt and self-loathing, just what the doctor ordered. Trump thinks America can vanquish all comers if we just put our mind to it and he is right.

    Trump is a man of action, guided by facts and common sense. He has no use for theories. He knows that slavish devotion to theory can lead to nonsensical beliefs; for instance, that children should be able to undergo “gender conformation”; that police forces should be defunded; or that biological boys should be able to compete against girls in athletics.

    Trump knows it is time to make a stand, and for that we need strong men. Weak men do anything to avoid admitting the hardest truths because they lack the resolve to do what truth demands from them. Trump is a manly man. In present times, when manhood is being stripped of its masculinity, traditional manhood, even when flawed, has much appeal.

    Trump is also comfortable in his own skin, a prerequisite for independence and courage. Trump ripped apart people he thought were weak. Sometimes he went overboard, but his supporters forgave his excesses because strength is in such short supply. Trump plays to win. And he knows that in war reaching across the aisle is usually a sucker’s game

    A large part of Trump’s appeal was that he is a bona fide outsider who distrusted the expert class, which comprises so much of the “swamp.” Although his own administration sometimes made it difficult for him to get done everything he promised, his supporters knew he was on their side and was trying his damnedest not to let them down. Culturally, Trump, fueled by Big Macs, understands, as does the outsourced American worker, that a cheap smartphone is not a replacement for a meaningful job and the life it supports. Trump also understands that what Americans of all races and creeds desire are stable communities, and the opportunity to raise their families in a culture that values industriousness, self-reliance, patriotism, and freedom.

    Trump revealed—not “caused”—the divide in this country. He awakened the public to the dangers of woke communism and, as good leaders do, gave his supporters the breathing room to voice their discontents. This may have been his most important achievement, made possible by qualities independent of policy. You cannot win a war unless you know you are in one.

    This enumeration of Trump’s virtues does not fully capture his uncommon courage and firmness of purpose. Trump is the most towering political figure in living memory. He has, like it or not, defined the politics of our age. In 2016 and 2020 he was the political leader most fit for war-like circumstances. Yes, he has vices; even so, we should pause before we move on to someone else.

    If Republicans do choose another candidate, they must do so in full confidence that he will embody Trump’s virtues. If not Trump himself, his positive qualities must be the standard by which we judge other candidates.
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    Re: Trump may lose again in 2024. But according to sources, he may win in 2029.

    Quote Originally Posted by Survivor64 View Post
    There should be an age limit of 80. No running for public office after that.
    Most people are only familiar with the little people section of Gulliver's Travels. But Gulliver also visited an island where some people are born immortal. At 80, they lose all rights and property and are cared for my the state, because if that wasn't done then they would inevitably come to own all the money.

    It's a rule that should be applied to our own immortals: companies. Disney's extension of copyright law being a good example of how wealthy immortals corrupt the process.

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    Re: Trump may lose again in 2024. But according to sources, he may win in 2029.

    Quote Originally Posted by jagrmeister View Post
    look at his history, he's a trust-funder. He didn't bring any results.
    Takes a special kind of competence to lose money owning a casino.

    Quote Originally Posted by jagrmeister View Post
    He didn't build the wall like he said he would.
    Any would-be republican candidate would want to hammer that one. I have suggested several times that what the USA needs is a pair of chainlink fences and a minefield. Cheap and effective. It works for North and South Korea.


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