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    Top Successful CEOs Say College Is Useless

    In the video below shows the top best businessmen explaining why college is nothing but a scam where you get degrees that are useless and you should just get to work and self-learn. Some recognizable men include Donald Trump, Elon Musk, Marc Zuckerburg, Mark Cuban and much more.



    I agree with the idea that going to college is a waste of time and money and it doesn't guarantee a better paying job, but it does guarantee high life-long debts. Besides, why would anyone want to go to a school that teaches hate for your country, judge people based on what race or gender or sexuality they are? Some of what the schools are shoving down kid's throats should be outlawed. I mean, I'm sick of being told that being white and male makes me a horrible person, when I'm not.

    Take me for example; I did some research on how to start my own company reselling American-made products and it could double my investment. For example, I found protein supplements on the company's main website and then I saw that it goes for twice as much on eBay as what I can pay for it. The trick is buy with a discount and enough to avoid shipping costs (if you pay for more than $50 worth, for example, free shipping) and list higher on eBay, where there are people dumb enough to buy it higher. I can even go to thrift stores and buy quality items cheap and resell them at retail profits. I haven't started yet, but I do want to try it out for a little while to see if it's even worth it.

    After all, 5 years ago, I invested $1,000 in PC parts and built a gaming computer and put it on eBay for $1,500. No one was willing to buy it, so every month until I got a buyer I dropped the price $50. By the time I got a buyer, I lost money between dropping the price, $94 shipping and fees on both PayPal and eBay. Boy I was pissed off, but glad I got rid of it. So that was an idea that failed. I learned a lesson and that was do your research before you invest in something big like that. I did my research on supplements and it looks good enough to try out.
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    Re: Top Successful CEOs Say College Is Useless

    I know a woman who did a psychology degree only to find its hard to get work in. So she completed a law degree. Two degrees! She works in childcare now and tried to sell herself in sugar daddy sites.

    She could have saved a fortune by just going straight to childcare.

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    I think it's about balance. There's a world of difference between a degree in Medicine or Physics from a top ten university versus a degree in Sociology or Media Studies from some place nobody's ever heard of.

    I am in tech and personally I do not think I would have had the career I have, without my computer science degree. Maybe I would've done an apprenticeship and got there much later but I doubt it.

    I also have friends that went to Oxford/Cambridge and they are literally courted by employers, taken out to dinners and most end up in graduate jobs that pay 2/3x the average salary. I'm in the UK however and our loan system is not nearly as aggressive as in the US. I pay a tiny proportion of my salary each month and the debt gets wiped completely after a number of years. I believe we pay quite a lot less overall as well.

    It's worth noting that many of the people in the video don't exactly practice what they preach. Almost all the people getting developer jobs at Facebook will be graduates from top tier universities for example. Likely the same with engineers joining Tesla and SpaceX.

    I do think there is snobbery around going to university though, it's definitely not the right path for everybody and I can think of loads of graduates who would've been better off just going straight into a trade. There is this sort of mentality around here that any degree is a good degree that leads to a high paying career... when it's obviously not the case.

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    Re: Top Successful CEOs Say College Is Useless

    Quote Originally Posted by DanielPlainview View Post
    There's a world of difference between a degree in Medicine or Physics from a top ten university versus a degree in Sociology or Media Studies from some place nobody's ever heard of.
    Unfortunately they don't tell you this at school, even there they count "number of Grade C and above's" as if all subjects are equal.

    University used to be a place for the best few percent, then the government back in 1997 made it a target for 50% of school leavers to go. I can't help but think this is a ploy to keep them off the official unemployment figures.

    I left a few years before then, even so it felt like like the school was pressuring people to go university just so they could say "X% of our leavers went university last year" to try and make the school look good. I smelt a rat and got a job, one of the best decisions of my life.
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    Re: Top Successful CEOs Say College Is Useless

    Quote Originally Posted by stanmsl View Post
    University used to be a place for the best few percent, then the government back in 1997 made it a target for 50% of school leavers to go. I can't help but think this is a ploy to keep them off the official unemployment figures.
    Which is why the high-school leaving age has been progressively raised in the UK. From 15 in the 1950s, to 16 by the end of the 60s, and finally to 18 in the 90s.

    That said, I read there's a lot of folk who think that a Bachelor's degree has become an indicator of intelligence, given that IQ test requirements for certain jobs were banned under Griggs v. Duke Power Co.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Willers View Post
    That said, I read there's a lot of folk who think that a Bachelor's degree has become an indicator of intelligence, given that IQ test requirements for certain jobs were banned under Griggs v. Duke Power Co.
    You sir are correct. Because IQ tests were banned, employers have to resort to looking at the degree as an indicator of intelligence, the other indicators being the resume and interview-process.

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    Re: Top Successful CEOs Say College Is Useless

    Quote Originally Posted by Kryptic View Post
    She works in childcare now and tried to sell herself in sugar daddy sites. She could have saved a fortune by just going straight to childcare.
    Or by going straight to prostitution when she was younger and hotter. More money, fewer hours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stanmsl View Post
    Unfortunately they don't tell you this at school, even there they count "number of Grade C and above's" as if all subjects are equal.

    University used to be a place for the best few percent, then the government back in 1997 made it a target for 50% of school leavers to go. I can't help but think this is a ploy to keep them off the official unemployment figures.

    I left a few years before then, even so it felt like like the school was pressuring people to go university just so they could say "X% of our leavers went university last year" to try and make the school look good. I smelt a rat and got a job, one of the best decisions of my life.
    Yeah, I remember being told at the time that you "could get any graduate job with a degree,"

    It's sort of technically true but in the same way that anyone with a lottery ticket has a chance of winning the jackpot. It's possible but the odds really aren't in your favour.

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    Re: Top Successful CEOs Say College Is Useless

    The other issue with college is you get a population of people who believe things have to be done a certain way. Most ultra successful business men actually paved their own way and bucked the usual processes.

    Nothing more annoying than hearing "But that's the way it is done/Well, those kinds of mistakes happen" maybe somewhere else but why should it be accepted practice?

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    Re: Top Successful CEOs Say College Is Useless

    My CS degree probably did help get my foot in the door starting out. I don't really get asked about it anymore though. About 95% of the useful stuff I know and use regularly was self taught. I'd avoid any non-STEM degree like the plague, you are literally throwing your money and time down the drain. Learning a trade is a much smarter decision.
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    Re: Top Successful CEOs Say College Is Useless

    Quote Originally Posted by TheRecipe View Post
    My CS degree probably did help get my foot in the door starting out. I don't really get asked about it anymore though. About 95% of the useful stuff I know and use regularly was self taught. I'd avoid any non-STEM degree like the plague, you are literally throwing your money and time down the drain. Learning a trade is a much smarter decision.
    Absolutely! With machinist math under my belt I went on two decades later to learn how to mix compound chemical fertilizer and now I/we (my brother and I) have our own brand name with a website that accepts all forms of payment. Learning molar math, aqueous solutions, and plant nutrition, was no easy task for the uninitiated and uneducated. I try my damnedest to keep up on many different technologies including modern automotive electronics and diagnostics. There's nothing I won't try my hand at when I'm determined!

    Nothing frustrates me more than being stupid, and nothing lights my fire more than not wanting to be stupid! Knowing how, after learning how, dissolves all frustration with solutions! It's also highly likely how I arrived at the conclusion of MGTOW for a perfect befitting solution! I'd rather jerk-off with sandpaper than live with frustration!
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    STEM & Professional degrees like Law & Medicine at the only degrees worth spending time and money on.
    Whatever you learn in college is outdated in 5 years so you have to be continually learning all your life to stay up with technology.

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    Re: Top Successful CEOs Say College Is Useless

    Quote Originally Posted by PhattDawgg View Post
    STEM & Professional degrees like Law & Medicine at the only degrees worth spending time and money on.
    Whatever you learn in college is outdated in 5 years so you have to be continually learning all your life to stay up with technology.
    Maintaining mental plasticity is the lubricant to keeping up with change, not to mention memory refreshment and nourishment now with the convenience of digital storage.

    The internet is making people smarter, wiser, and more intelligent, everything is at your fingertips. It's also a place some choose to waste their lives away, not even being able to justify the monthly bill with savings and knowledge gained through the interaction.

    Cutting my IP connection would be the same as cutting my throat! It can be a blessing or a curse, all depends on the motives and intentions of the user. Shit, I just made $300 only minutes ago, and yesterday I purchased more farming equipment that otherwise would have been nearly impossible or improbable.
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    Be aware of survival bias in these videos of "what successful CEOs say." You are hearing a select subsample, and you're not hearing about all the people who skipped college and who are not successful. Plenty of those, just no one making videos about it, because it's not inspiring.

    College is still the path to success for a lot of people. Less so now than in the past (because of deterioration of the quality of many college educations), but it's still true for many. It's particularly true for people who are interested in entering areas of work that require high levels of professional education and credentialing. Doctors and lawyers, for instance. You won't find much success by self-educating in those areas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kryptic View Post
    I know a woman who did a psychology degree only to find its hard to get work in. So she completed a law degree. Two degrees! She works in childcare now and tried to sell herself in sugar daddy sites.

    She could have saved a fortune by just going straight to childcare.
    When I worked at an office my coworker was 30 and she had a PHD in art history. I was 34 or so and was currently in adult education to complete high school. That drove her fucking nuts. All that education to make minimum wage.

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    Re: Top Successful CEOs Say College Is Useless

    Something else about an undergrad or grad degree: It's evidence that you have enough self-discipline and lack of "noise" in your life to complete such a program. So in a way it serves as a character reference.

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    If you ask me they shouldn't lend money for degrees that don't make any money. If you want to study English or art or whatever, you should pay for it yourself. Those degrees have no market value at all. They're largely for pleasure.

    The other problem is that people go to college before they know what they want to do. It would make more sense to have a high school to apprentice rotations system. After a few years apprenticing in different jobs you'd get a chance to find something you're good at and can tolerate (or if you're lucky, enjoy)
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    Re: Top Successful CEOs Say College Is Useless

    Quote Originally Posted by jxpqvb View Post
    If you ask me they shouldn't lend money for degrees that don't make any money. If you want to study English or art or whatever, you should pay for it yourself. Those degrees have no market value at all. They're largely for pleasure. The other problem is that people go to college before they know what they want to do.
    I'd have people either
    (1) Combining part-time work and a degree so they pay as they study no loans required, courses would have to take longer to accommodate this.

    (2) Investors Crowd fund students, who in turn pay back a set percentage of their (future) income over a set time frame. That way investors won't put their money into useless degrees and market forces can influence degree funding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stanmsl View Post
    I'd have people either
    (1) Combining part-time work and a degree so they pay as they study no loans required, courses would have to take longer to accommodate this.

    (2) Investors Crowd fund students, who in turn pay back a set percentage of their (future) income over a set time frame. That way investors won't put their money into useless degrees and market forces can influence degree funding.
    I like that, the nudge to better choices coming from the free market and responding to incentives.

    Since Obama nationalized student loans they're not even like market loans anymore. People that have no business going to college waste years and tens of thousands of dollars. It's outrageous that the govt encourages this trap.

    If fewer than 50% of people who graduated with a given major are working in their field within a few years of graduating that major is probably fluff that wastes people's time and money.

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    Re: Top Successful CEOs Say College Is Useless

    Quote Originally Posted by jxpqvb View Post
    I like that, the nudge to better choices coming from the free market and responding to incentives.

    Since Obama nationalized student loans they're not even like market loans anymore. People that have no business going to college waste years and tens of thousands of dollars. It's outrageous that the govt encourages this trap.

    If fewer than 50% of people who graduated with a given major are working in their field within a few years of graduating that major is probably fluff that wastes people's time and money.
    There are also what I call "Career students" who go from one course to the next, racking up student loans and in some countries costing the tax payer money in student support payments whilst never actually working at all let alone in any of their chosen fields of study. I think there needs to be a contract that obligates the person to actually have to work in their chosen field of study as well as the field of study being relevant to society's needs.


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