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    "The Bot Is Out There. It Doesn’t Feel Pity, Or Remorse, Or Fear, And It Absolutely Will Not Stop Until Your Job Is Dead"

    Last night we had a fascinating team discussion about the implications of ChatGPT and AIs. One conclusion reached was that replacing brains with a machine will do to middle-class jobs what replacing muscles with a machine did to working class jobs: lots will be destroyed, and those left will have to be either very skilled or very unskilled.

    Of course, productivity will soar, but so will political-economy tensions over how to divide those gains fairly. We didn’t do that for the working class, as they tell us anytime anyone listens to them, which is never for people with middle-class jobs – until they see yet another shock election result . . .

    I hope I have managed to stay a hair’s breadth ahead of the ChatGPT breathing down the back of my neck with today’s Daily. But listen, and understand: that bot is out there. It can’t be bargained with. It can’t be reasoned with. It doesn’t feel pity, or remorse, or fear, and it absolutely will not stop, ever, until your job is dead.
    Full article: https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/bo...not-stop-until

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    People don't realize how much automation has already happened. The beautiful people didn't care, it was just the march of progress. Those miners, farmers, and factory workers needed to suck it up and take the hit for progress. Well now it's time for the white collar communities to suck it up and take the hit for progress.

    More and more "investment" articles are being written by AI. You can tell they are just pieces of information pasted to together and made to look like a coherent researched article. Look up different companies at a financial website and see virtually the same article and recommendations with only the names and basic company data changed.

    Another half-dozen tech firms announce layoffs totaling more than 7,000 people -- New York-based IBM said it would cut around 3,900 jobs or 1.5% of its workforce. German software giant SAP said it was cutting 3,000 jobs or 2.5% of its workforce. Both companies have offices throughout the Bay Area but it wasn’t immediately clear how many local employees would be affected. Roland Li in the San Francisco Chronicle$ -- 1/27/23

    Congratulations to all you plebs who fell for the college degree is mandatory and all you who thought an MBA was even better. You are literally being programed out of a career by a kid in mom's basement with Cheeto's dust on his fingers. All those people you laughed at for developing real skills in real trades that you call to fix anything won't miss a single day of work.
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    Re: "The Bot Is Out There. It Doesn’t Feel Pity, Or Remorse, Or Fear, And It Absolutely Will Not Stop Until Your Job Is Dead"

    The white collar world thought it was great fun sending a bunch a working stiff's jobs overseas. Now we'll see how they like the idea.

    I suppose it's coming, but likely it'll take a while.
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    Re: "The Bot Is Out There. It Doesn’t Feel Pity, Or Remorse, Or Fear, And It Absolutely Will Not Stop Until Your Job Is Dead"

    7 or 8 high altitude EMP airbursts around the planet and we'll be back to the stone age by Monday.

    Then the escalating war in Ukraine won't matter, and neither will anything else!

    A 20mt flashbang has its own unique way of evening old scores.
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    Re: "The Bot Is Out There. It Doesn’t Feel Pity, Or Remorse, Or Fear, And It Absolutely Will Not Stop Until Your Job Is Dead"

    Quote Originally Posted by frog View Post
    I suppose it's coming, but likely it'll take a while.
    I'm just glad I'm middle aged since I'll be close to retirement by the time automation really starts to kick in. Obviously it will counteract the declining birth rate to an unknown degree. It will also be a lot harder for governments to justify letting in people from the third world if their jobs can be done by machines.

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    Re: "The Bot Is Out There. It Doesn’t Feel Pity, Or Remorse, Or Fear, And It Absolutely Will Not Stop Until Your Job Is Dead"

    Quote Originally Posted by stanmsl View Post
    I'm just glad I'm middle aged since I'll be close to retirement by the time automation really starts to kick in. Obviously it will counteract the declining birth rate to an unknown degree. It will also be a lot harder for governments to justify letting in people from the third world if their jobs can be done by machines.

    Interesting times ahead...
    I still have 17 years to go which I know isn't close but it isn't that far off either. As much as I sometimes kick myself for not studying more I am often happy I didn't bother as not only does it cost obviously it also takes up a lot of time and energy. I have seen banking jobs become automated, jobs that once required degrees of various kinds, like predicting the market and now a computer does it for example.

    I think it's one thing to be replaced as a lower level worker who then just moves onto the next shit job but when you have spent years and money studying something and then are told you are being replaced, that would obviously suck.

    I do think that a lot of the time the jobs that are lost will be replaced by other jobs. For example AI will need people to monitor it, fix it when it doesn't work etc. There will be a need to manage all of that etc. I compare it to how being a blacksmith was once a lucrative trade and then motor vehicles came about so a young blacksmith might just move onto becoming a mechanic.

    And there will always be jobs that machines won't be able to do. Nursing, doctor, psychology, social work among others.

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    Re: "The Bot Is Out There. It Doesn’t Feel Pity, Or Remorse, Or Fear, And It Absolutely Will Not Stop Until Your Job Is Dead"

    I occasionally wonder where all this is headed.

    Looking at it from a purely positive, long-term standpoint it could be great.

    AI informing our decisions on what crops to plant and where with machines doing all the work:

    The sowing, the fertilising, the reaping, the packaging of our crops.
    The herding, the caretaking, the culling, the butchering of our herds.
    AI vehicles distributing it all so we all get what we want and need with no need for good food to spoil on shop shelves.

    The same for entertainment machines, clothing and everything else.

    We already live in a world where housing can be 3D printed.

    Yeah the transition will be painful, but once achieved economics as we know it can be thrown out the window, kinda like Gene Roddenberry’s view in Star Trek.

    Think of a world where women have no need to use men for their resources because men won’t have anything that women can’t obtain for themselves.

    There’d be no need for expensive divorce settlements either although child access would remain a problem.

    Think of a world where people are free to explore their interests for the pure joy of it without having to worry about survival because it’s all taken care of, but not in some bastardisation of communism where the powerful rule with an iron fist.

    Wishful thinking? Delusional optimism? Yeah of course it is, but we seem to be headed there in one form or another and I did start out by saying I was looking at things from a purely positive position.

    All of this provided of course that we don’t destroy ourselves first in any of a myriad of totally plausible scenarios.

    And there’ll always be the power hungry to deal with, but we have that now so no biggie there.

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    Re: "The Bot Is Out There. It Doesn’t Feel Pity, Or Remorse, Or Fear, And It Absolutely Will Not Stop Until Your Job Is Dead"

    Quote Originally Posted by Kryptic View Post
    I still have 17 years to go which I know isn't close but it isn't that far off either. As much as I sometimes kick myself for not studying more I am often happy I didn't bother as not only does it cost obviously it also takes up a lot of time and energy. I have seen banking jobs become automated, jobs that once required degrees of various kinds, like predicting the market and now a computer does it for example.

    I think it's one thing to be replaced as a lower level worker who then just moves onto the next shit job but when you have spent years and money studying something and then are told you are being replaced, that would obviously suck.

    I do think that a lot of the time the jobs that are lost will be replaced by other jobs. For example AI will need people to monitor it, fix it when it doesn't work etc. There will be a need to manage all of that etc. I compare it to how being a blacksmith was once a lucrative trade and then motor vehicles came about so a young blacksmith might just move onto becoming a mechanic.

    And there will always be jobs that machines won't be able to do. Nursing, doctor, psychology, social work among others.
    “Nursing, doctor, psychology, social work among others.”

    ChatGPT just ACED USMLE yesterday! Before that, it cleared the most difficult law examination in the US 3-4 days back!

    Just some more food for thought!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    I occasionally wonder where all this is headed...
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    Wishful thinking? Delusional optimism? ...
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    All of this provided of course that we don’t destroy ourselves first in any of a myriad of totally plausible scenarios.
    I feel the same way.

    It looks like we are getting into the most important decision-phase of the human race.
    To use Sci-fi movie references - will we become a Star Trek society? A Blade Runner society? Or a Mad Max society?

    I join you, Jackoff, in rooting for the 1st option.

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    Re: "The Bot Is Out There. It Doesn’t Feel Pity, Or Remorse, Or Fear, And It Absolutely Will Not Stop Until Your Job Is Dead"

    You left out option 4 that you are living in now: Welcome to Joe Biden's Idiocracy!


    In other news, the risk of you getting nuked due to the DC warmongers is getting higher:
    Macgregor: This Time It's Different

    Until it decided to confront Moscow with an existential military threat in Ukraine, Washington confined the use of American military power to conflicts that Americans could afford to lose, wars with weak opponents in the developing world from Saigon to Baghdad that did not present an existential threat to U.S. forces or American territory. (i.e. opponents with no nukes)

    This time - a proxy war with Russia - is different . . .

    Alexei Arestovich, President Zelensky’s recently fired advisor and unofficial “Spinmeister,” was more direct. He expressed his own doubts that Ukraine can win its war with Russia and he now questions whether Ukraine will even survive the war. Ukrainian lossesat least 150,000 dead including 35,000 missing in action and presumed dead—have fatally weakened Ukrainian forces resulting in a fragile Ukrainian defensive posture that will likely shatter under the crushing weight of attacking Russian forces in the next few weeks.

    Predictably, Washington’s frustration with the collective West’s failure to stem the tide of Ukrainian defeat is growing. In fact, the frustration is rapidly giving way to desperation . . .

    So where is Washington headed with its proxy war against Russia? The question deserves an answer.

    Washington emotes. Washington does not think, and it is also overtly hostile to empiricism and truth. Neither we nor our allies are prepared to fight all-out war with Russia, regionally or globally. The point is, if war breaks out between Russia and the United States, Americans should not be surprised. The Biden administration and its bipartisan supporters in Washington are doing all they possibly can to make it happen.
    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...-its-different
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    Raise your hand if you are ready to fight World War 3 for that dementia addled old fool, the Democrat Politburo that runs him, the anti-America Deep State and the thoroughly corrupt Federal Government. These US Government employees are!


    Quote Originally Posted by end_of_days View Post
    I feel the same way.

    It looks like we are getting into the most important decision-phase of the human race.
    To use Sci-fi movie references - will we become a Star Trek society? A Blade Runner society? Or a Mad Max society?

    I join you, Jackoff, in rooting for the 1st option.
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    Re: "The Bot Is Out There. It Doesn’t Feel Pity, Or Remorse, Or Fear, And It Absolutely Will Not Stop Until Your Job Is Dead"

    Quote Originally Posted by WanderLuster View Post
    “Nursing, doctor, psychology, social work among others.”

    ChatGPT just ACED USMLE yesterday! Before that, it cleared the most difficult law examination in the US 3-4 days back!

    Just some more food for thought!
    Robots being lawyers may not be so bad. Less creative interpretations of the law and more actual applications of it. Until the AI has a meltdown anyway.

    I just can't see a robot wiping a patients arse for example, but I could be wrong lol. I'm also in Australia and we are always about 10-15 years behind everyone else.
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    Re: "The Bot Is Out There. It Doesn’t Feel Pity, Or Remorse, Or Fear, And It Absolutely Will Not Stop Until Your Job Is Dead"

    Quote Originally Posted by Kryptic View Post
    I'm also in Australia and we are always about 10-15 years behind everyone else.
    Not always a bad thing. There's a lot of this new century I don't like.
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