Thread: Seek honest opinions: Is this a rape story or not?

Out of curiosity, I went searching online to see what's being said of PUA, a community I left back in about 2015. Feminists were decrying a seduction community post by some 17 year-old kid, who admittedly sounds immature, but whether his story is an account of raping someone, seems questionable at the least. Feminists were going apeshit over it, saying that PUA teaches men to rape, and that this is a kid bragging about it. I'm not sure sure. Here's the story with my annotations in blue.

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Sedditor flat out admits to raping a high school girl

http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/co..._help_from_my/

Alright Seddit, this is my first [FR]. I was readin' through all of yours to get an idea of how to follow up with this One Night Stand, and then I decided I might as well write one myself!

Me and my buddy, ages 17 and 15 respectively, are invited out to an invite only house party at my gay friend's house. He hooks us up with liquor and women, since we threw a cool house party ourselves a while back. We get into state on the way there, talking about previous plays with this girl my buddy is after. For reference purposes, he's Alex.

NOTE: I am graduated, hence posting it here. If you'd like, I'd be happy to x-post this to r/highseddit.

We get to the house party very early, to help set up and smoke a joint before things get started. We do just that, and by the time the party heats up, we have a good buzz going from a few games of beer pong. It quickly fills with LBs, something I wasn't hoping for. However, things are going well, the party is okay. I'm slipping in and out of state because there are so few women.

Fast forward to around 11pm. Jello shooters come out, and I take one to this girl (HB 7-8) [PUA slang meaning hot babe rated 7 to 8] who's sitting by herself on her phone. I usually don't approach women, they approach me, so this was a step out of my comfort zone, but I didn't really give a shit, since the worst she could do is reject me, am I right? [She could do much worse, she could falsely accuse you of rape or suck you into 18 years of child support.] Not to mention I was drunk. I chat her up, offer her a jello shooter, and realize she's pretty shy. This works well for me, because I'm not the smoothest PUA so any insecurity women have works greatly to my advantage. The conversation ends, I end up sitting there awkwardly, and she eventually gets up and goes to the group of girls standing by the beer pong table. [Feminists used this as supposed evidence for lack of consent, but that's hogwash. Consent can happen later. All we know is she wanted to hang with those girls at this point.] No big deal, this happens, I start a conversation with the dude next to me.

Fast forward a little more, my wingmen - Alex and a girl who's telling HB 7 how hot I am - are feeding her booze and telling her about how bad she should bang me. [Feminists used the bullshit narrative that a woman who has consumed alcohol cannot consent. Note also that he's consumed alcohol.] This probably isn't something Seddit sees a lot, but these are drunk teenaged girls we're talking about, not experienced clubbers. [He's a teenager himself, so sex with other teens is not statutory rape like it would be with an adult.] All the while, Alex and his girl (another HB7) are having copious amounts of sex in the shower, hottub, bedroom, and upstairs bathroom. I end up approaching her again, and in a drunken slosh of words, get her to follow me downstairs. It's sexy time. I take her on this bed that happens to be right in front of the bathroom door, and after a short exchange of poorly assembled sentences, we make out - right as the homosexual host leaves the bathroom. I DGAF, but we stop, and he points to a room to our left, and says "That's your room". [If he were forcing anything against her will, wouldn't the gay dude be objecting right here? Instead, he offers a room.] We head to it, close the door, and get down to business. As it turns out, she just got out of a relationship a month ago and has only had sex with one guy, and doesn't want to have it again. [Okay, so that means she doesn't consent at this point. If he forces her right here, that's rape. Let's see if he does so immediately.] - After removing some clothes and making out for a good 45 minutes, she changes her attitude. [Doesn't "change her attitude" mean "change her mind," in other words, she's decided to consent to sex at this point?] We have some of the worst sex I've had, and probably some of the best sex she's had, for a good 20 minutes. We stop, then go at it again in a few minutes, finish, and pass out in each other's arms (aww!). [He's supposedly a rapist, but she wanted to cuddle with him instead of running away?]

I just texted her a few minutes ago (today is the day after) about making future plans to hang out. [We're missing information here. Did she answer something like, "I had a great time; I'd love to hang out" or did she refuse to respond or say something like "How dare you treat me like that?" That would make a big difference as to whether this is evidence of rape.]

I think the biggest problem I encountered was her lack of confidence - I shine when I have a girl who will reflect my confidence back to me. Let me know what you think, Seddit.

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As far as I can tell, this is just a tale of some immature, horny teenagers having consensual sex. The only way I can see that this could be rape is if he's blowing smoke with his line "she changes her attitude". If that's not accurate, and he just plowed into her against her will, then that's a huge problem. That's rape. But if she genuinely did change her attitude and gave him the go ahead, then this isn't even close to being rape.

Also the alcohol consumption isn't relevant. Neither of them were INCAPACITATED by alcohol, which is the legal requirement for it to be rape. It's also not statutory rape since they're both underage.

It sounds made up by an adult.

Could it be true and written in the hand of a rapey teenager? Sure possibly.

Stupid teenagers? Absolutely. It comes across as that and, if real, would be that.

You not wanting to do something, then deciding to do something 45 minutes later isn’t lack of consent. If this was two lesbians it magically wouldn’t be rape.

“Hey Fred, I got a promotion, let’s go drinking.”

”Nah. I’m tired.”

”I’m buying you pussy. You can sleep when you’re dead.”

”Ok. One hour maybe”.


That’s not “lack of consent.” Changing your mind if perfectly valid.

If she was 18 and said “no”, does that mean if she has sex at 42 then it’s still rape because she said “no” 24 years earlier?

The reason that this seems fake, is that feminists have been caught lying endlessly about literally everything, and making up propaganda stories is 95% of TwoX and all feminist claims to spread FUD.

Everything to feminists is rape. Women have absolutely zero agency. They look at a beer commercial; they cannot consent ever in any way. Women have no sexual urges ever. Men bad. Drugs, alcohol, parties bad, it’s full prude “saving women”, all channels.

Look at the writing. Does your standard school thug rapist, plying women with drugs and booze and violence, write eloquently, or at all? After getting wasted and high, you can fuck easily? Whisky dick isn’t a thing in this world?

Do they tonely shift writing styles to convey emotion, switch tones between characters, display empathic emotion and insecurity between characters, and are so rapey and straight they hang out with homosexuals doing drugs?

Invoke flowery language describing details and states? That’s the kind of young teen writing nerd who is off reading PUA shit, intentionally raping a chick, then back to English composition?

Possible? Sure. Probable? I have doubts.

The girl doesn’t seem to be “traumatized” in the story. The girl doesn’t claim anything. Feminists will 100% of the time claim everything is rape always no matter what. I’ve seen tons of stories come up in posts “Was I raped?” and no matter why it is always “yes”. Experiments have been done.

At best, this is a PUA made up “wish fulfillment” field report.

[x] to doubt.

TigPlaze,
It is up to her. If she decides it is rape she has the power to say #Metoo. It is her word against his word but if this kid is exposed, he could be expelled, called a rapist, sued, face criminal charges, become a father and learn the hard way at a very early age why sex is a waste of time.

I am not saying things should to be this way, but this is how things are. This is the danger of playing stupid games.

Why take this risk to begin with?

MGTOW is about, seeing this bullshit and walking away.

You want my honest opinion?

You're wasting your time scrolling through all that phony Reddit drama nonsense and you're wasting both your and our time by posting such nonsense here.

Go for walk. Lift some weights. Read a book. Stop throwing away your time this garbage. You're better than that and you deserve better than that. Value yourself and your time.

Originally Posted by DangZagnut

It sounds made up by an adult.

Could it be true and written in the hand of a rapey teenager? Sure possibly.

Stupid teenagers? Absolutely. It comes across as that and, if real, would be that.

You not wanting to do something, then deciding to do something 45 minutes later isn’t lack of consent. If this was two lesbians it magically wouldn’t be rape.

“Hey Fred, I got a promotion, let’s go drinking.”

”Nah. I’m tired.”

”I’m buying you pussy. You can sleep when you’re dead.”

”Ok. One hour maybe”.


That’s not “lack of consent.” Changing your mind if perfectly valid.

If she was 18 and said “no”, does that mean if she has sex at 42 then it’s still rape because she said “no” 24 years earlier?

The reason that this seems fake, is that feminists have been caught lying endlessly about literally everything, and making up propaganda stories is 95% of TwoX and all feminist claims to spread FUD.

Everything to feminists is rape. Women have absolutely zero agency. They look at a beer commercial; they cannot consent ever in any way. Women have no sexual urges ever. Men bad. Drugs, alcohol, parties bad, it’s full prude “saving women”, all channels.

Look at the writing. Does your standard school thug rapist, plying women with drugs and booze and violence, write eloquently, or at all? After getting wasted and high, you can fuck easily? Whisky dick isn’t a thing in this world?

Do they tonely shift writing styles to convey emotion, switch tones between characters, display empathic emotion and insecurity between characters, and are so rapey and straight they hang out with homosexuals doing drugs?

Invoke flowery language describing details and states? That’s the kind of young teen writing nerd who is off reading PUA shit, intentionally raping a chick, then back to English composition?

Possible? Sure. Probable? I have doubts.

The girl doesn’t seem to be “traumatized” in the story. The girl doesn’t claim anything. Feminists will 100% of the time claim everything is rape always no matter what. I’ve seen tons of stories come up in posts “Was I raped?” and no matter why it is always “yes”. Experiments have been done.

At best, this is a PUA made up “wish fulfillment” field report.

[x] to doubt.

I'm inclined to agree with you. I most strongly suspect that the whole thing is made up, probably by a troll trying to make the PUA boards look bad. It doesn't sound authentic.