Thread: PEDs (Performance Enhancing Drugs)

First of all, let me calm down the straight edge guys. Most people use drugs in one way or another. A drug is simply "a medicine or other substance which has a physiological effect when ingested or otherwise introduced into the body." That includes alcohol, cigarettes, coffee, tea etc.

I would like to discuss life quality or productivity enhancing drugs in this thread. As I've been lifting for close to a decade now I've tried out quite a lot of different PEDs. Please let me know whether you're interested in getting to know drugs that are not legal. For now, however, I will focus on legally available drugs. (Mods: Please let me know whether illegal or "gray area" drugs can be discussed as well, without sources and prices of course)

For now I will focus only on 2 drugs that I find beneficial because I don't want to waste my time if people aren't interested in this topic.

Drug No. 1: Tylenol Cold

Yes, you've read right. This is an OTC drug that contains: Pseudoephedrine (the drug of interest), acetaminophen, chlorpheniramine, dextromethorphan.

I usually take around 2-4 tablets a day. Combined with strong black coffee (2-4 cups) it has the following effects: Increased focus, increased performance (during workouts), decreased hunger (as I'm doing intermittent fasting, this is a welcome side-effect). Another welcome side-effect for me is that you become very tired after the effect vanishes. At that point I take 1.2mg of Melatonin 30 minutes prior to sleep and fall asleep rather well. Usually falling asleep is a battle for me since I don't feel tired (night owl syndrome )

Yes, I am aware of the liver toxicity of acetaminophen, however, I do not take the stuff constantly and I stay below 3 grams ed. As I've taken and recovered from way more livertoxic drugs I've come to know that the liver is way more sturdy than people assume. If you feel like you're doing a bad thing you can occasionally take some milk thistle for a liver detox.

I don't quite know how DXM, chlorphiranamine and Pseudoephedrine interact, however, I am certain that the drugs must have a synergistic effect on hunger suppression, as I've never felt such a strong hunger suppression on legitimate ephedrine hcl in higher doses (100-150mg)

Fun fact: Pseudoephedrine can be used as raw material for the production of methylamphetamine ("Meth")

Drug No. 2: Melatonin

Melatonin is a hormone that anticipates the daily onset of darkness. As such, it is a neurotransmitter that controls our sleep-awake cycle. Melatonin has been found to be an extremely safe compound, with doses above 5mg over 12 months resulting in no or only minor side-effects.
Melatonin provides numerous other health benefits as well: It is an anti-oxidant, can protect from gallblader stones and help with anxiety. It may even help against cancer, but results so far have been inconclusive.

As an anti-jetlag drug, it is available in 0.5mg to 5mg tablets, mostly with retardation, as this is supposed to mimic the natural melatonin secretion cycle. Most OTC Melatonin supplements are not retarded, but work just as well. Imho with the retardation the risk of grogginess the next day might increase, but that is speculation on my part, as I haven't tried the retarded form yet.

Fun fact: Melatonin may be responsible for "winter depression". (Do not worry though, Melatonin's half-life is short, so it won't affect your next day)

PS: Only the respective titles were supposed to be bold, maybe a mod can edit this. I don't know how.
PPS: Let me know if you'd like a specific drug discussed here. Chances are I might have some knowledge (experience) about it.
PPPS: I do not advise anyone to take any kind of drug. That being said, as we are all responsible adults here, I will assume that you're aware of the dangers of drug consumption such as psychosis, dependance etc.

Sleep specialists hate people using melatonin. Probably because it works so incredibly well.

Originally Posted by Mr Wombat

Sleep specialists hate people using melatonin. Probably because it works so incredibly well.

For me it's a little hit-and-miss, but it certainly beats using Z-Drugs such as Ambien.

Originally Posted by Aintdealingwithyoshit

For me it's a little hit-and-miss, but it certainly beats using Z-Drugs such as Ambien.

Oh yeah, man, great example. I used to do lots of drugs (those days are over as far as the hard drugs go, just it's just B and B as in beer and weed...too bad liquor can ). And I was in a hospital recovering from some serious injuries. Was there for a few months. Anyway, the Mr. Druggy I used to be tried Ambien. From what I heard, I was kinda just walking around stoned like in the hospital. Ha, I blacked that out. Just hearing that scared me straight from THAT stuff! It reminds me of when I took someone's Serequel meds that a girlfriend/LTR woman I was partying with on smoking some rocks/some G back in my hard partying days to come down from some uppers. I woke up in the middle of a sleep feeling as if breathing was more a voluntary mechanism instead of an involuntary one. Even I with a high tolerance for drugs was scared straight from that drug.

Okay, enough of my Big Pharm/recreational drug tangent there. It is great that you made this thread because it scares the living shit out of the cash cow pig that Big Pharm can be that instead of getting dollars from their clients who they know in some cases will inadvertently be turned into either virtual thorzine zombies or flat-out drug addicts. You know, the whole moving on from Oxys straight to the heroin type of thing.

There are other cases of herbal supplements cutting into the flow of Big Pharm. Take for example some ED medicines. Instead of a guy paying $15 for a viagra, instead he can either go to a GNC or an adult toy store and get a pill that will last 3-4 days versus some lousy 6 hour countdown before the Blue Pill fades out. (Imagine that interlude between the commercial break and the Fox TV show 24 playing at the end of some guys first date where he is desperately trying to get the sex underway on the second date with a new woman he is dating before the clock expires on his viagra: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqRtUwi3kv8)

Anyway, it is obvious that Big Pharm is so threatened by the much healthier alternatives that these natural supplements offer that they try to suppress them in some cases. Or even make them out to be a form of quackery Not because the FDA gives a fuck about their patients. But because cha ching cha ching. In my humble opinion anyways.

I always found that taking generic Unisom, two maximum strength 50mg pills an hour to 90 minutes in advance would work for me lots of times. You know, basically first generation cough meds. All it is is the stuff that makes one drowsy. Hence the reason there is a Dayquill in addition to a Nightquill if taking the medicine to help with a cold.

Is Ambien OTC in the US? My doctor used to prescribe it to me for insomnia. I used it for roughly a year, with breaks in between (to keep down tolerance/dependence). Unfortunately I ended up getting hooked on the stuff anyway ... well, not in the sense that I desperately needed it or anything, but when I stopped using it I got panic attacks and got really depressed. Let's just say it wasn't a pleasant experience. It is unfortunate that there isn't a "knock-out" sleeping pill that has none of these tolerance/dependence issues, but at least I'm not a hardcore insomniac, so staying up for one night will usually get me to sleep easier during the next one (with some Melatonin added in the mix).

I find that a Magnesium pill and a small glass of milk right before bed set me up for a great night's sleep - as do days where I take in no or little sugar/breads.

Good choices of interesting stuff to test. I do a lot of body hacking myself.

Stuff I've found that works

Bulk Supplements: Now I know price is a considerable factor for some people but these guys sell a decent product and your dosage counts are upwards of 1000 for around 20 bucks for each element that you purchase

http://www.amazon.com/BulkSupplement...ulkSupplements


Powdered vitamin D
Zinc Gluconate - [basically the effects of a dozen oysters. this is also a mineral that gets depleted with daily orgasms so load up on it]

B12 - More energy than you know what to do with

BCAA (Branch Chain Amino Acids) - muscle builder
Glutamine - Recovery amino acid
[taking a gram of this and BCAA has basically eliminated the pain from lactic acids in the muscles after lifting]

Pure Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C) Powder - I take half a teaspon [2000mg]. No colds EVER. Also good for skin tone and elasticity
Powdered Vitamin D powder - 50mg [1/32 teaspoon] - Strengthens your immune response like crazy.
Hyalouronic Acid powdered - 100mg - restores skin tone and flexibility
Pure Vitamin B6 - 100mg - general boost for internal systems

Now this sounds like a lot of powders right? A couple hundred in powders is still cheaper than a lot of the prescription medicines that people take every day and once again. Each bag is roughly 1000 doses so you're good. Buy in bulk and mix this stuff yourself and you will save a BOATLOAD compared to a lot of the stuff guys are selling on the internet.

Buy the packets one at a time as you can afford them and then just drop them into a fruit smoothie or a protein drink and blend it up. I'm taking this every morning and people are litterally asking me how I'm aging backwards. (mid forties and people think I'm mid thirties)

I used to take all them vitamins, minerals and amino acids as well, but I grew tired of the expenditure, the poor taste and the "pill gulping". But if it works for you, why not! There are certainly worse things to spend your money on. (e.g. meaningless "status items")

Originally Posted by Aintdealingwithyoshit

I used to take all them vitamins, minerals and amino acids as well, but I grew tired of the expenditure, the poor taste and the "pill gulping". But if it works for you, why not! There are certainly worse things to spend your money on. (e.g. meaningless "status items")

That's why I do powders ... just throw them into the smoothie / protein shake and it's good to go. And $200 to eliminate all my joint issues, back pains, lack of energy and low libido? I'll take that trade all day long.