New Thread: Comments about Cops

[MannSplainer]

Gotta say, I'm with those who don't provoke the PoPo. I've gotten out of some pretty bad situations with cops by just being polite, respectful and compliant. But I also agree with the other side. I've been verbally savaged by enraged cops who were clearly power hungry psychos on a vengeance trip. Those that say that cops are under a lot of pressure and deserve some unusual forgiveness is also great food for thought.

But here's the thing with which I'm most certain: I personally could never be a cop. Cops deal day in and day out with the dark side. No wonder their suicide rate is the highest. I don't know how they do it. Those hero cop TV shows they saw as kids likely backfire on most that saw it as motivation to join.

I'm thankful for the cops that are great at their jobs, but it's a very selfish gratitude. When I need one, I want them to drop everything they're doing and come to my aid. If I'm being honest, underneath my compliance, politeness and conformity, I'm thinking to myself, "You must be one dumb schitt to be a cop. I therefore won't provoke you."

[frog]

Man, I'm glad I don't live in the USA, and one of the reasons is that the cops here aren't facing death every time they flag down a speeding motorist.

Being a cop has it's dangers, but they don't shoot that many where I live. Getting run down and your cruiser wrecked by some rubbernecker watching your traffic stop when they should be driving's a lot more likely.

I used to watch the local cops torment juveniles like it was a sport, then a few years later say "young people have no respect for the law." Looks like the law should of thought it out better.

Anybody with a big red bike's going to get a ticket now and then. For most officers, it's a game. You got away with it a thousand times, but not today. Thats ok, I did get away with it a thousand times. Twice though, I was stopped by officers who were hot. Not because I'd broken the law, but because they thought I'd put myself in needless danger. One was really working himself up till I went "Officer, I'm not arguing with you." It's not a game to all officers, just most of them.

Cops stick together, and always have. If a cop has to side with you or a fellow officer, you'll lose every time. Unless you have video. Before video a guy didn't stand a chance. They also sooner or later meet the stupidest people society has to offer, and it clouds their judgment when they run across more normal types.

[OwenWentFullMGTOW]

What I'll say is that hiring for any police department isn't easy. Because you need candidates who are right in that sweet spot. They can't be total morons. Because total morons get people killed all the time. But they can't be too smart either. Because an intelligent person's first instinct would be reform, reform and more reform. So, that's no good either.

Instead, you need someone who is pretty much dead center in the average IQ range. Someone dumb enough to take orders without question but who is still smart enough to not get TOO MANY people killed.

Not easy to do.

[OwenWentFullMGTOW]

When you get yourself to the point where you can acknowledge both the good and the bad going on with something, without painting everything about it as bad, let me know. Otherwise, how can I ever talk to you?

"Not All X Are Like That!"

Honestly, what kind of argument is that? Nobody has said they're ALL bad. The problem has always been that (A) there are too many bad ones and (B) we can't discern the good ones from the bad ones just by looking.

Additionally, all of these amazing, wonderful, saintly, borderline fucking Christfigure cops that we're told make up the majority of police forces nationwide haven't lifted a finger to institute reform. They turn a blind eye to actual bad behavior, racism, sexism, abuse of power, invasions of privacy and behavior that would be considered a war crime if a nation's army ever did it to someone else.

On top of all that, it's the cop in 1,000 who gets ticketed when he legit deserves it. Cops are infamous for letting each other off for all manner of traffic violations. They have their little Brotherhood Of The Badge. And their loyalty goes so deep that most of the time they won't even give each other speeding tickets.

These things are all KNOWN.

Now, I'm a big believer in letting the watchmen of society do their thing. In general, society needs to get off their nuts and let them do their job. I, for one, wouldn't exactly mind a Harry Callahan in my local police department. Say whatever you want about Callahan, but he blew Scorpio away in the end. And that counts for something with me.

What I DO mind is cops harassing taxpayers with idiotic speeding tickets while, just two miles up the road, is a known high-crime area where thousands of felonies get committed every single day. But lord knows the cops don't want to go in there and straighten things out. They'll harass taxpayers for going 10mph over the speed limit tho.

Wake up and smell what you're shoveling.

[Unboxxed]

"Not All X Are Like That!"

Honestly, what kind of argument is that? Nobody has said they're ALL bad.

You did. In Post #10. So did the member who said, "It is ALL cops." which prompted my response.

The problem has always been that (A) there are too many bad ones and (B) we can't discern the good ones from the bad ones just by looking.

So they are not all like that? Now you're agreeing with me. That's all I'm saying to anyone who says they are all the same. Thousands of cops, millions of police transactions that occur without a hitch. You don't hear about those.

Additionally, all of these amazing, wonderful, saintly, borderline fucking Christfigure cops that we're told make up the majority of police forces nationwide haven't lifted a finger to institute reform.

Gee, your agreeableness did not last long. There you go with that "all" again. A pretty extreme thing to say. You don't know that. You aren't there when reforms take place that aren't advertised. We hear the things brought to us through the news or through others or through personal experience. Notice I did not say there are no need for reforms. I'm saying it is reasonable to acknowledge there are things unseen. Good things, too.

Also, any individual cop may have spoken up to his/her superior about a change needed but it takes more than that to effect change. In the mean time, this good cop has to carry out his/her instructions until the change happens, if it does. If it doesn't happen, we cannot say a finger wasn't lifted. Well, you'll say that, I suppose, in your omniscience.

They turn a blind eye to actual bad behavior, racism, sexism, abuse of power, invasions of privacy and behavior that would be considered a war crime if a nation's army ever did it to someone else.

Comparing to an army implies you once again see them as a monolith. Just sayin'.

On top of all that, it's the cop in 1,000 who gets ticketed when he legit deserves it. Cops are infamous for letting each other off for all manner of traffic violations. They have their little Brotherhood Of The Badge. And their loyalty goes so deep that most of the time they won't even give each other speeding tickets.

Sounds good to me. The alternative is to watch cops eat away at their cohesion and camaraderie, reducing their effectiveness when they are good. Nobody wants that except liberals who want crime, I suppose. No speeding tickets? A perquisite of the job. My job had perks, too, not available to the general public.

Now, I'm a big believer in letting the watchmen of society do their thing. In general, society needs to get off their nuts and let them do their job. I, for one, wouldn't exactly mind a Harry Callahan in my local police department. Say whatever you want about Callahan, but he blew Scorpio away in the end. And that counts for something with me.

So, you're a big believer of a cop taking the law into his own hands after you've complained about that very thing here. You want due process unless it gets in the way of a desired outcome.

Wake up and smell what you're shoveling.

All I've been saying is it is not reasonable to paint cops with a broad brush. My message on that has been consistent. Your message, not so much.

[Chris007]

"Not All X Are Like That!"

Honestly, what kind of argument is that? Nobody has said they're ALL bad. The problem has always been that (A) there are too many bad ones and (B) we can't discern the good ones from the bad ones just by looking.

Additionally, all of these amazing, wonderful, saintly, borderline fucking Christfigure cops that we're told make up the majority of police forces nationwide haven't lifted a finger to institute reform. They turn a blind eye to actual bad behavior, racism, sexism, abuse of power, invasions of privacy and behavior that would be considered a war crime if a nation's army ever did it to someone else.

On top of all that, it's the cop in 1,000 who gets ticketed when he legit deserves it. Cops are infamous for letting each other off for all manner of traffic violations. They have their little Brotherhood Of The Badge. And their loyalty goes so deep that most of the time they won't even give each other speeding tickets.

These things are all KNOWN.

Now, I'm a big believer in letting the watchmen of society do their thing. In general, society needs to get off their nuts and let them do their job. I, for one, wouldn't exactly mind a Harry Callahan in my local police department. Say whatever you want about Callahan, but he blew Scorpio away in the end. And that counts for something with me.

What I DO mind is cops harassing taxpayers with idiotic speeding tickets while, just two miles up the road, is a known high-crime area where thousands of felonies get committed every single day. But lord knows the cops don't want to go in there and straighten things out. They'll harass taxpayers for going 10mph over the speed limit tho.

Wake up and smell what you're shoveling.

Brother, I understand that you feel very strongly about this issue but don't let the rage fill you to the point that you get banned over this. This is not a hill to die on.
I would hate to see you get cut off, I really enjoy your other informative and insightful posts.

[mgtower]

You did. In Post #10. So did the member who said, "It is ALL cops." which prompted my response.




So they are not all like that? Now you're agreeing with me. That's all I'm saying to anyone who says they are all the same. Thousands of cops, millions of police transactions that occur without a hitch. You don't hear about those.




Gee, your agreeableness did not last long. There you go with that "all" again. A pretty extreme thing to say. You don't know that. You aren't there when reforms take place that aren't advertised. We hear the things brought to us through the news or through others or through personal experience. Notice I did not say there are no need for reforms. I'm saying it is reasonable to acknowledge there are things unseen. Good things, too.

Also, any individual cop may have spoken up to his/her superior about a change needed but it takes more than that to effect change. In the mean time, this good cop has to carry out his/her instructions until the change happens, if it does. If it doesn't happen, we cannot say a finger wasn't lifted. Well, you'll say that, I suppose, in your omniscience.




Comparing to an army implies you once again see them as a monolith. Just sayin'.




Sounds good to me. The alternative is to watch cops eat away at their cohesion and camaraderie, reducing their effectiveness when they are good. Nobody wants that except liberals who want crime, I suppose. No speeding tickets? A perquisite of the job. My job had perks, too, not available to the general public.




So, you're a big believer of a cop taking the law into his own hands after you've complained about that very thing here. You want due process unless it gets in the way of a desired outcome.




All I've been saying is it is not reasonable to paint cops with a broad brush. My message on that has been consistent. Your message, not so much.

When it comes to painting cops, paint the bad ones black and the good ones white, like painting angels vs. Darth Vader.

I wonder if that's why they painted cop cars black and white? Good cop bad cop?