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    Maybe next time he'll pay the piper when there's a couple dead bodies under his car.

    In Massachusetts you can get a DUI (here called OUI) if you're on a horse and the horse is sober, they won't accept a plea that the horse was a designated driver. Everything's against the law in Massachusetts!
    OUI?

    I had to google it because I’d never heard the term before:

    Operating Under the Influence?

    Does it only refer to operating “things” e.g. cars, horses, skateboards etc.? Or could it refer to “being operational” i.e. – walking home?

    Here in Ireland we can be prosecuted for being intoxicated in public. I kid you not.

    If this law was to be implemented here half the population would be in the slammer and the other half would be awaiting their court date.

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    OUI?

    I had to google it because I’d never heard the term before:

    Operating Under the Influence?

    Does it only refer to operating “things” e.g. cars, horses, skateboards etc.? Or could it refer to “being operational” i.e. – walking home?

    Here in Ireland we can be prosecuted for being intoxicated in public. I kid you not.

    If this law was to be implemented here half the population would be in the slammer and the other half would be awaiting their court date.
    In Massachusetts they write the laws to mean anything! Anything at all! Making us all criminals with more lawyers per capita than anywhere in the WORLD! Here it's common to see 50 to 100 lawyers chasing an ambulance!

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    I witnessed my neighbor get a​ OWI on his riding mower!

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    Re: Kicking my alcohol problem

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    Maybe next time he'll pay the piper when there's a couple dead bodies under his car.

    In Massachusetts you can get a DUI (here called OUI) if you're on a horse and the horse is sober, they won't accept a plea that the horse was a designated driver. Everything's against the law in Massachusetts!
    He can have a church choir under his car and nothing will happen to him. Liberal democrats get away with little to no trouble. It's funny you mentioned DUIs and Massachusetts. Don't forget about drunk Uncle Teddy Kennedy. He literally killed a woman. He left her to die. What did he care anyway? He got his rocks off and the erection was over. Nothing bad ever happened to him.
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    Re: Kicking my alcohol problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    OUI?

    I had to google it because I’d never heard the term before:

    Operating Under the Influence?

    Does it only refer to operating “things” e.g. cars, horses, skateboards etc.? Or could it refer to “being operational” i.e. – walking home?

    Here in Ireland we can be prosecuted for being intoxicated in public. I kid you not.

    If this law was to be implemented here half the population would be in the slammer and the other half would be awaiting their court date.
    The cops here in America are scumbags. If someone attacks you then nothing will happen. If you get caught not using a turn signal then you literally get the whole police force with their cop car lights flashing.
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    Good for you. You recognized it. You admitted it to yourself. You took responsibility for it, instead of blaming circumstances or minimizing it. I come from a family of alcoholics, so I know, that is no mean feat. And you've been sober two years. That's awesome.

    Good luck quitting smoking. I know that's a tough one, too.

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    Does it only refer to operating “things” e.g. cars, horses, skateboards etc.? Or could it refer to “being operational” i.e. – walking home?

    Here in Ireland we can be prosecuted for being intoxicated in public. I kid you not.

    Here, it depends on the State and Municipality...and whether the authorities feel like enforcing it. For instance, where I live, we have a big motorcycle rally every Summer. The police won't even try to enforce intoxicated in public laws during that time. The rest of the time, it really depends on how much of a spectacle the drunk is making of himself, who he's offending, etc. If you want to get a laugh out of it, go onto YT and look up Ron White's "They Call me Tater-Salad" routine. He has a humorous take on getting arrested for being drunk in public.

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    The cops here in America are scumbags. If someone attacks you then nothing will happen. If you get caught not using a turn signal then you literally get the whole police force with their cop car lights flashing.
    Sorry, but this is gross exaggeration and over generalization. Scumbag cops are actually very few and far between. If you for the most part obey the law and donít have a mile long rap sheet and a shitty attitude, youíll be fine with 99% of cops.

    If you donít agree with the laws, that needs to be taken up with the legislators. The cops enforce the laws on the books and in general are damn good at it.

    Painting them all with the same brush as some asshole like Derek Chauvin does more harm than anything.

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    Sorry, but this is gross exaggeration and over generalization. Scumbag cops are actually very few and far between. If you for the most part obey the law and don’t have a mile long rap sheet and a shitty attitude, you’ll be fine with 99% of cops.

    If you don’t agree with the laws, that needs to be taken up with the legislators. The cops enforce the laws on the books and in general are damn good at it.

    Painting them all with the same brush as some asshole like Derek Chauvin does more harm than anything.
    I can't speak for the cops in other countries, but here in Ireland they're generally good guys (and gals) and unless you give them reason to take notice they'll leave you be.

    Hell, it's not unusual to see cops on the street here just friendly chatting with their friends or other members of the public.

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    Re: Kicking my alcohol problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Survivor64 View Post
    Sorry, but this is gross exaggeration and over generalization. Scumbag cops are actually very few and far between. If you for the most part obey the law and don’t have a mile long rap sheet and a shitty attitude, you’ll be fine with 99% of cops.
    Some turn a blind eye to their fellow officer's transgressions to get along. Plenty show favoritism to individuals or groups. A few use their badges like credit cards. Others take what comes along, but don't actively go after cash and prizes. Dirty cops are anything but few and far between. Are most only partly dirty? Well yeah, but that different from being squeaky clean.

    A pal got robbed, and since the crooks had pretended to be government types to get in the door, real cops took it serious. We was lucky and a neighbor saw which way the crooks went. They was caught an hour away and got 15 years. It would of been a happy ending if the County Sheriffs hadn't treated it like a shopping trip. The neighbor didn't get half his stuff back. The crooks didn't have their loot long enough to get rid of anything. The Sheriff's played dumb and said that's all they recovered.
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    Update: I was very close on a relapse recently. Sitting at a restaurant and ordered a non alc beer. At least that's what I thought it was and what the main sticker said on the bottle. After having had 2 beers I thought "WTF? I'm feeling alcohol in my system!" So I read the small print and it turned out there was 0.3% in it! I talked to the waitress about that and she was genuinely in shock. I believe she didn't know either.

    "So, what are you bitching about, Simp? That 0,3%?" No I'm not bitching about that tiny bit. What I am bitching about was my initial reflex thought "Well, I might as well order a real one now." Luckily I refrained. My advice to men who want to kick their problem too is to very closely double check what you're ordering. I felt that 0,3% because I lost all my alcohol tolerance. And the insidious effect of alcohol is it impairs your decision making.

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    Re: Kicking my alcohol problem

    Quote Originally Posted by RedPilledSimp View Post
    Update: I was very close on a relapse recently. Sitting at a restaurant and ordered a non alc beer. At least that's what I thought it was and what the main sticker said on the bottle. After having had 2 beers I thought "WTF? I'm feeling alcohol in my system!" So I read the small print and it turned out there was 0.3% in it! I talked to the waitress about that and she was genuinely in shock. I believe she didn't know either.

    "So, what are you bitching about, Simp? That 0,3%?" No I'm not bitching about that tiny bit. What I am bitching about was my initial reflex thought "Well, I might as well order a real one now." Luckily I refrained. My advice to men who want to kick their problem too is to very closely double check what you're ordering. I felt that 0,3% because I lost all my alcohol tolerance. And the insidious effect of alcohol is it impairs your decision making.
    In recent years here laws were brought in to remove alcoholic beverages from the normal shelves in supermarkets – there has to be a separate alcohol section much like an off-licence, yet you pay for it all at the same time at the same till?

    But lately I’ve seen non-alcohol versions of popular beers appearing outside this cordoned-off area. I had put it down to advertising techniques, but what you say here suggests something even more under-handed.

    We used to have drinks here labelled as “shandy”, stocked with the colas and lemonades that had minimal alcohol content and could be bought even by kids. That was banned and the drinks disappeared.

    From what you say, maybe they’re making their way back under the radar. They proclaim things like 0.0% alcohol, but how many of us read the fine print if it’s even made available.

    What is the level of variance on these proclamations? Could 0.0% actually mean anything up to 0.5%? Or more?

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    In recent years here laws were brought in to remove alcoholic beverages from the normal shelves in supermarkets – there has to be a separate alcohol section much like an off-licence, yet you pay for it all at the same time at the same till?

    But lately I’ve seen non-alcohol versions of popular beers appearing outside this cordoned-off area. I had put it down to advertising techniques, but what you say here suggests something even more under-handed.

    We used to have drinks here labelled as “shandy”, stocked with the colas and lemonades that had minimal alcohol content and could be bought even by kids. That was banned and the drinks disappeared.

    From what you say, maybe they’re making their way back under the radar. They proclaim things like 0.0% alcohol, but how many of us read the fine print if it’s even made available.

    What is the level of variance on these proclamations? Could 0.0% actually mean anything up to 0.5%? Or more?
    I actually don't know. Not much of a law/ rule fetishist TBH. However I do believe there will always be very small amounts of alcohol left in 0% drinks. But those should be unnoticeable. It was mostly my first impulse that really startled me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedPilledSimp View Post
    Update: I was very close on a relapse recently. Sitting at a restaurant and ordered a non alc beer. At least that's what I thought it was and what the main sticker said on the bottle. After having had 2 beers I thought "WTF? I'm feeling alcohol in my system!" So I read the small print and it turned out there was 0.3% in it! I talked to the waitress about that and she was genuinely in shock. I believe she didn't know either.

    "So, what are you bitching about, Simp? That 0,3%?" No I'm not bitching about that tiny bit. What I am bitching about was my initial reflex thought "Well, I might as well order a real one now." Luckily I refrained. My advice to men who want to kick their problem too is to very closely double check what you're ordering. I felt that 0,3% because I lost all my alcohol tolerance. And the insidious effect of alcohol is it impairs your decision making.
    Good advice and I'm glad you refrained.

    I'm not surprised at the 0.3%. Remnants of processing, I imagine. Years ago I read that, in the USA, fast-food restaurants could serve beef containing up to 10% fat and advertise it as 100% lean beef. The explanation I got was if they did not do that and instead actually stated it was 90% lean beef, the public might demand better and trigger a competition to drive it towards an actual 100%, a processing impossibility and also would unnecessarily increase the price of the product for whatever gains were actually achieved. So, if you let them advertise 90% lean beef as 100% lean beef, all of that is avoided and the public thinks they have the best.

    Our Food and Drug Administration allows foods to contain up to 0.5 grams of trans fat per serving and still be labeled as having zero grams of trans fat. The trick, I believe, is the manufacturers may have to juggle the serving size with the trans fat amount such that it falls below that line.

    You reflex thought is the one I don't want to have, where I give in because something happened.

    That's why I don't imitate the drinking of alcohol such as non-alcohol beers. I don't drink Martinelli's non-alcohol champagne at holidays. I just avoid orbiting the drinking lifestyle. I'm an ex-drinker. I mean, why pretend at it?

    Moving to Seattle presented a challenge because they like food here and have no problem spiking the food with alcohol, like at restaurants. I think they are better about disclosure than they used to be.

    Also, I have heard all my life when people put wine into their cooking (or beer into their chili pot) that it "burns off". Everybody says that to each other. "Oh, but you get the flavor." I thought about it and decided that makes no sense; nothing can burn off unless it's burning which means it's on fire with flames. Since when are my meals on fire? I figured it was a myth. I did some online investigation and discovered I was right. Generally, the alcohol may diminish but not disappear altogether. Here's just one article of many that I had found. I've had people say to me with such confidence, "Oh, it burns off!" to which I'd say," then why add it to the food?" For those people who really want to debate it, on occasion I've asked if I could pour the same amount of urine into the food and tell them that it burns off, asking them would they believe me for merely having said those words? No, they usually snap out of their hypnosis at that point, at least to give my position a better consideration. I might follow up by saying as much as they do not like the idea of urine in their food whether it burns off or not, I do not like the idea of alcohol in my food and I know alcohol does not burn off.

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    Congrats on two years sober. You should be proud of yourself because that is a huge accomplishment. I had my own addiction problems a few years back, but I don't want to highjack your thread with my problems.

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    Congrats on two years sober. You should be proud of yourself because that is a huge accomplishment. I had my own addiction problems a few years back, but I don't want to highjack your thread with my problems.
    Please share it if you want. This is not about me but for all of us. Anything you share can only make all of us better.

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    I finally made the break.

    [Long Post]

    Iím only on day 4 but already Iím feeling the benefits. My headís clearer, my sleeping is better and I donít procrastinate nearly as much.

    But itís early days and Iím not counting my chickens just yet.

    I thought Iíd relate a little about how I got to this point, not the whys just the hows.

    I checked out the websites mentioned by Unboxxed looking for something inspirational but was unable to find much. What they did have was lots of resources in the form of record sheets for you to chart your progress. Whilst seeing the benefits of this approach I couldnít shake the notion that it would only serve to remind me of the drink and so decided against it. The same for regular meetings such as A.A.

    What I did instead was set up a small spreadsheet that automatically calculates how long Iíve been dry and roughly how much Iíve saved, and a prediction for the future:



    This has the beauty of providing me with some of the incentives of the paper approach but I donít have to constantly monitor it, just pop in for a look should I need a little extra encouragement.

    So now the approach:

    I suppose it started last year when I gave up the weed for good. This stuff initially feels great but over time it kills motivation and ambition. This was difficult as most of my mates smoked it but I persevered, eventually drawing further and further from those that partake. Itís not much fun being around stoners when you arenít, letís say, in the same frame of mind.

    This may not seem related, but I never would have been able to motivate myself to give up the drink without this first step. Also it showed me first-hand just how much your quality of life improves when you stop poisoning yourself.

    The next thing that happened wasnít actually an intended step: I had a falling out with my alcoholic friend. I mentioned this in another thread so I wonít elaborate on it here but this paved the way insofar as a major temptation had been removed from my life.

    Next was breaking the habit. For a few months I changed from drinking beers to drinking vodka with blackcurrant cordial (and water). This is obviously no improvement and in fact cost me more financially but it was an intentional step.

    Apart from showing me once again that I was capable of changing my habits, this time drinking, it has the added benefit of now if I have a sudden urge to drink I have a blackcurrant cordial instead. This has the advantage of feeling like the first drink of the day and allows that sudden urge to pass. A kind of placebo you might say.

    Now though is a crucial time. Having gotten this far itís easy to slip back Ė ďI can control this so whatís the problem?Ē Well, the problem is this: Yes I CAN control it, but the simple truth is I donít. The only way for me to truly keep it under control is to abstain totally.

    To this end Iíve given myself a motivator: Iíve wanted a new laptop for a while now so Iíve set myself a target. 2 months without drinking will pay for a nice one, not top of the range but I donít need that, just a replacement for my aging machine before it packs in totally.

    This gives me roughly 2 months to come up with my next incentive. Not as easy as you might think for someone that enjoys minimalist living. Maybe a nice holiday somewhere. Then again, hopefully by that time I wonít need the extra motivation.

    So thatís where I am now. Last year I gave up the weed, this year alcohol, next year will be another biggie Ė smoking.

    I decided not to try to do it all at once not only because I believed I couldnít, but also I feared failing in one would cause me to fail in the others Ė a sort of knock on effect.

    The order here (for me anyhow) is quite important too. Weed had to be the first to go simply because itís more difficult to get here. This may sound backwards but I could replace the weed with the drink and not always vice-versa. Smoking had to be last in the list as smoking weed means youíre still smoking and alcohol reduces your ability not to give in to temptation.

    Iíd also like to thank the members of this site, especially RedPilledSimp for helping me get this far. Your positive attitudes have helped enormously to re-enforce my own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    I finally made the break.

    [Long Post]

    I’m only on day 4 but already I’m feeling the benefits. My head’s clearer, my sleeping is better and I don’t procrastinate nearly as much.

    But it’s early days and I’m not counting my chickens just yet.

    I thought I’d relate a little about how I got to this point, not the whys just the hows.

    I checked out the websites mentioned by Unboxxed looking for something inspirational but was unable to find much. What they did have was lots of resources in the form of record sheets for you to chart your progress. Whilst seeing the benefits of this approach I couldn’t shake the notion that it would only serve to remind me of the drink and so decided against it. The same for regular meetings such as A.A.

    What I did instead was set up a small spreadsheet that automatically calculates how long I’ve been dry and roughly how much I’ve saved, and a prediction for the future:



    This has the beauty of providing me with some of the incentives of the paper approach but I don’t have to constantly monitor it, just pop in for a look should I need a little extra encouragement.

    So now the approach:

    I suppose it started last year when I gave up the weed for good. This stuff initially feels great but over time it kills motivation and ambition. This was difficult as most of my mates smoked it but I persevered, eventually drawing further and further from those that partake. It’s not much fun being around stoners when you aren’t, let’s say, in the same frame of mind.

    This may not seem related, but I never would have been able to motivate myself to give up the drink without this first step. Also it showed me first-hand just how much your quality of life improves when you stop poisoning yourself.

    The next thing that happened wasn’t actually an intended step: I had a falling out with my alcoholic friend. I mentioned this in another thread so I won’t elaborate on it here but this paved the way insofar as a major temptation had been removed from my life.

    Next was breaking the habit. For a few months I changed from drinking beers to drinking vodka with blackcurrant cordial (and water). This is obviously no improvement and in fact cost me more financially but it was an intentional step.

    Apart from showing me once again that I was capable of changing my habits, this time drinking, it has the added benefit of now if I have a sudden urge to drink I have a blackcurrant cordial instead. This has the advantage of feeling like the first drink of the day and allows that sudden urge to pass. A kind of placebo you might say.

    Now though is a crucial time. Having gotten this far it’s easy to slip back – “I can control this so what’s the problem?” Well, the problem is this: Yes I CAN control it, but the simple truth is I don’t. The only way for me to truly keep it under control is to abstain totally.

    To this end I’ve given myself a motivator: I’ve wanted a new laptop for a while now so I’ve set myself a target. 2 months without drinking will pay for a nice one, not top of the range but I don’t need that, just a replacement for my aging machine before it packs in totally.

    This gives me roughly 2 months to come up with my next incentive. Not as easy as you might think for someone that enjoys minimalist living. Maybe a nice holiday somewhere. Then again, hopefully by that time I won’t need the extra motivation.

    So that’s where I am now. Last year I gave up the weed, this year alcohol, next year will be another biggie – smoking.

    I decided not to try to do it all at once not only because I believed I couldn’t, but also I feared failing in one would cause me to fail in the others – a sort of knock on effect.

    The order here (for me anyhow) is quite important too. Weed had to be the first to go simply because it’s more difficult to get here. This may sound backwards but I could replace the weed with the drink and not always vice-versa. Smoking had to be last in the list as smoking weed means you’re still smoking and alcohol reduces your ability not to give in to temptation.

    I’d also like to thank the members of this site, especially RedPilledSimp for helping me get this far. Your positive attitudes have helped enormously to re-enforce my own.

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    Awesome brother!! I fully agree you tackle 1 problem at a time. Kicking 3 problems is way harder and the chance of relapse is much greater. Each relapse makes the next "attempt" all the more difficult. I call it the "giving up demon." See I'm a failure, why bother quitting at all? is what that relapse demon is whispering. (To be clear: I mean the "relapse demon" metaphorically. I'm not hearing actual voices in my head.)

    My advice however is this. If keeping a chart helps you, by all means continue it. I didn't do that, because keeping the chart only reminded me of my problem. "I'll fill in the chart now. Oh yeah, almost forgot: I have an alcohol problem..." That doesn't work for me. Furthermore I didn't "reward" myself for not drinking. Making it the "forbidden fruit" makes it all the harder to stay away from it. Also the first reward being your laptop, the second your next incentive and the third reward could be a drink... "you earned it man! You have quit it SO long now. 1 doesn't matter..." That fucking "one doesn't matter demon" is the absolute worst. Why? It is actually right: should you (or I) drink just one. We'll be "strong enough" to stay away from it for a while after. I'm sure of that. Lowering the bar for the next "just one" at the same time....

    I'm actually also in the mental prep phase to quit smoking. Like I wrote: smoking I'm totally addicted to. And it's IMO the biggest SOB to kick. I find the craving bad but IMO the hardest part is the fact smoking doesn't impair your cognitive function like booze or drugs does. "yes I get lungcancer, a heart attack or both but I'm not taking extra risk of totalling my car with or without killing someone" is an extra "demon" to "overcome."

    On the other hand: we managed to stop craving for the V. And that addiction is literally written in our DNA. So we can do anything! You keep going brother! And all who kick their problems! You can do this!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedPilledSimp View Post
    To be clear: I mean the "relapse demon" metaphorically. I'm not hearing actual voices in my head.
    LOL. Glad to hear that.

    Quote Originally Posted by RedPilledSimp View Post
    My advice however is this. If keeping a chart helps you, by all means continue it. I didn't do that, because keeping the chart only reminded me of my problem. "I'll fill in the chart now. Oh yeah, almost forgot: I have an alcohol problem..."
    That's why I went the spreadheet route: I don't have to update it, it does all the updating itself. I could leave it for weeks then check in for an update if I need a boost. It's there for me if I need it and can be ignored when I don't.

    Quote Originally Posted by RedPilledSimp View Post
    Furthermore I didn't "reward" myself for not drinking. Making it the "forbidden fruit" makes it all the harder to stay away from it.
    I can see this, but at this early stage I personally need the extra incentive. I almost relapsed this morning. Spending a little time arguing with myself about whether or not the laptop was really needed allowed the "urge" to pass.

    Quote Originally Posted by RedPilledSimp View Post
    That fucking "one doesn't matter demon" is the absolute worst. Why? It is actually right: should you (or I) drink just one. We'll be "strong enough" to stay away from it for a while after. I'm sure of that. Lowering the bar for the next "just one" at the same time....
    I absolutely agree with you. It's one I'll be wary of as I continue as I expect it to seem to make even more sense the longer I'm off the drink. "Sure I've come ALL this way, having just one or two shouldn't be a problem at this stage!" The first stage of the slurpery slip.


    Quote Originally Posted by RedPilledSimp View Post
    I'm actually also in the mental prep phase to quit smoking. Like I wrote: smoking I'm totally addicted to. And it's IMO the biggest SOB to kick. I find the craving bad but IMO the hardest part is the fact smoking doesn't impair your cognitive function like booze or drugs does. "yes I get lungcancer, a heart attack or both but I'm not taking extra risk of totalling my car with or without killing someone" is an extra "demon" to "overcome."
    Yeah giving up the smokes is a bitch. I've tried so many times your "relapse demon" really kicked in hard. I think my biggest problem though was trying to kick it on the spur of the moment and not putting in the prep work - overconfidence in my ability to "just do it".

    Are you thinking cold turkey or initially going with patches or gum? Some say that the substutes help you to deal with one habit at a time - the physical activity and addiction, I'm not so sure.

    Keep us posted (unless that will only serve as a reminder).

    Good Luck.

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    Re: Kicking my alcohol problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post

    Are you thinking cold turkey or initially going with patches or gum? Some say that the substutes help you to deal with one habit at a time - the physical activity and addiction, I'm not so sure.

    Keep us posted (unless that will only serve as a reminder).

    Good Luck.
    Cold turkey. I have stopped smoking a couple of times. Yup: "one can't hurt, I'll keep it under control this time" relapses. The physical addiction is the easy part. It's only 1 to 3 days of suffering. The sooner I get it out of my system, the better. Gum/ nicotine patches only keeps it in my system. But that's working for me. It doesn't matter what someone else does, as long as it's working. Be it substitutes, acupuncture, laser or WTF else is out there: as long as it helps you, keep doing it.

    Don't worry about me regarding reminding me of my alcohol problem. I wouldn't have posted this thread if it would. I feel confident enough to talk about it without craving. As a matter of fact: I haven't craved for alcohol at all. That's why I think I have barely escaped addiction.

    I guess I'll have a beer to celebrate this now!


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