Results 1 to 19 of 19
  1. #1

    Does Artificial Intelligence Pose a Threat?

    Interesting article on if Artificial Intelligence will pose a threat to humans

    Not right now...Having exposure to systems like Watson I don't believe they are as good as they claim to be right now. But what will happen in 20-25 years if other leapfrogging technologies like quantum computing become available.

    The question now is "whose jobs are going to be eliminated" rather than that if AI is a threat to us. We are still continuing to see the effects of automation on lots of jobs in terms of disintermediation. ATMs, Mobile Check cashing, and Online Banking etc., Now other things like autonomous driving are coming online.

    What will be the next stage of evolution ?

    Now can the Robot do the job of the welder, fast food worker, and the nurse assistant? That will be interesting



    http://www.wsj.com/articles/does-art...eat-1431109025
    Last edited by czar; May 14, 2015 at 1:19 AM.

  2. #2
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Posts
    891
    Reputation
    1566
    Type
    Ghost

    Re: Does Artificial Intelligence Pose a Threat?

    google "hamburger making machine". its already here. like sara conner, how could we not see it coming?

  3. #3

    Re: Does Artificial Intelligence Pose a Threat?

    Robots are a major threat to humanity. The argument goes that in order to stay safe, we have remain smarter than our tools. The problem is that there is a intelligence arm race. The USA creates a robot that is under control of humans. China creates a semi-smart robot that reacts faster because it does not have to wait for orders from a human. So the USA creates a fully automated robots that can make split decisions without human intervention. We give war machines a little more intelligence. A little more. A little more. At some point we can lose control of the situation. So we lose control of a robot military who are fully armed and battle ready?

    Another problem is ethics. Can humans create ethical robots? Humans think at the speed of a chemical process. Robots think at the speed of electricity. We stop to sleep. They never stop. They operate 24/7. Robots can out think us. What if they decide that oxygen causes them rust, so, therefore, in order to survive, they need to get rid of oxygen. Oops. They did not kill us outright. They did it indirectly.

    Self programming, self replicating, virtually aware robots are a major threat. We could possibly create killer robots who views us as a bug to be squashed.

  4. #4

    Re: Does Artificial Intelligence Pose a Threat?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Joker View Post

    Self programming, self replicating, virtually aware robots are a major threat. We could possibly create killer robots who views us as a bug to be squashed.
    Which makes perfect sense from an evolutionary perspective.

    If we consider that humans and robots are in the same family of species (intelligent, autonomous and they are "our" children) than we also have to admit that the living of 2 sub-species of the same family in the same area always ends with the extinction of one sub-species sooner or later.

    Humans vs. Neanderthals as most prominent example.

    The avg. european human robot uses ap. 5kW every hour but is only productive 8 hours a day.
    In other terms, we need 12ltr. of gasoline every day to operate, be feed, clothed, heated ...

    A machine like a modern car ... can move 2 tons of weight over 300km with that amount of energy.

    After the human robots chewed trough the resources it is very likely that we will be replaced by more efficient robots that use way less energy while being more productive.

    Not to mention that most restrictions that trap us on this marble in space, like our air-addiction, food addiction and aging do not apply to machines either.

    I would be very surprised (as Sci-Fi fan) that if we ever make "first contact" that our visitors would be living biological entities.

  5. #5
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Posts
    891
    Reputation
    1566
    Type
    Ghost

    Re: Does Artificial Intelligence Pose a Threat?

    since obviously, the wall street journal doesn't care about robots taking our hamburger making jobs... this article is about robots taking accounting jobs, science jobs, military jobs, even finance jobs. the article doesn't care about robots taking our landscaping jobs, hospitality jobs, cashier jobs, restraurant greeter, or any hot chick or hot guy jobs.

  6. #6
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Posts
    891
    Reputation
    1566
    Type
    Ghost

    Re: Does Artificial Intelligence Pose a Threat?

    We are really forgetting that we will have science to be in control of our bodies as well. robots will be competition. the Wall Street Journal is apparently a bastard of capitalism, because they did not mention that robots will be competition for humans. humans will have to improve ourselves through genetics and learning behaviors that are truly beneficial for society. instead of just saying, do better than everyone else, we will all be improving. eventually, no one will be able to do better than others, just better than robots.

  7. #7

    Re: Does Artificial Intelligence Pose a Threat?

    If you can't beat them. Join them.

    On the science channel, I saw a scientist say that in order for humans to survive, we will have to become Borgs. Because we will have the same equipment as they do. We will be on an equal footing.

  8. #8
    Banned
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Location
    Toronto, eh
    Posts
    369
    Reputation
    1442
    Type
    Ghost

    Re: Does Artificial Intelligence Pose a Threat?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Joker View Post
    So we lose control of a robot military who are fully armed and battle ready?

    Another problem is ethics. Can humans create ethical robots?

    Self programming, self replicating, virtually aware robots are a major threat. We could possibly create killer robots who views us as a bug to be squashed.
    Quarians vs Geth. Geth won and took over their home planet.

  9. #9

    Re: Does Artificial Intelligence Pose a Threat?






  10. #10

    Re: Does Artificial Intelligence Pose a Threat?

    Might not be a bad thing if robots take over in the future. Humans seem to destroy everything they touch eventually. Perhaps that is because we are still a relatively young species but out future is still...uncertain.

    Here's a clip from the movie "The Cabin in the Woods." The Gods win in the end and humanity is over. But like the woman says..."humanity, perhaps it's time to give someone else a chance."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCySBdoY75M





  11. #11
    Super Moderator William Noy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Location
    Dixie
    Posts
    3,020
    Reputation
    12883
    Type
    Dark Knight

    Re: Does Artificial Intelligence Pose a Threat?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Joker View Post
    Robots are a major threat to humanity. The argument goes that in order to stay safe, we have remain smarter than our tools. The problem is that there is a intelligence arm race. The USA creates a robot that is under control of humans. China creates a semi-smart robot that reacts faster because it does not have to wait for orders from a human. So the USA creates a fully automated robots that can make split decisions without human intervention. We give war machines a little more intelligence. A little more. A little more. At some point we can lose control of the situation. So we lose control of a robot military who are fully armed and battle ready?
    Holy frack! You're talking about frackin' Cylons!

    Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity. --Seneca

  12. #12
    Senior Member VLazarusC's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Location
    A bit further from Legoland
    Posts
    1,016
    Reputation
    1806
    Type
    Bachelor

    Re: Does Artificial Intelligence Pose a Threat?

    I am all for functional AI, unless we make it clear from the beginning that we're not going to reach the conclusion of The Second Renaissance from Animatrix, which is us humanity butthurt that expelled rebellious robots make us dependent of their products (because who can produce 24/7 and high tech stuff all the time) and we go to war against them, killing ourselves in the process.
    Cuiusvis hominis est errare; nullius nisi insipientis in errore perseverare. - Marcus Tullius Cicero

    Being stupid means you'll never learn from your mistakes. Being smart means you learn from your mistakes. Being wise means you learn from the mistakes of others.

    Can't shake a whore tree and expect a wife to fall out. - Indianajohn

  13. #13
    Senior Member Eiji's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2015
    Location
    Sector 001, Earth, UCAS, Ohio Valley region
    Posts
    2,522
    Reputation
    3792
    Type
    pragmatist

    Re: Does Artificial Intelligence Pose a Threat?

    we may end up having to resort to AI.... the real thing has been losing favor as of late...
    "I live in freedom, under my own flag." - Captain Harlock

    "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C Clarke

    "Who's the more foolish? The Fool? Or the Fool who follows him?" - Obi-wan "Ben" Kenobi

    "In servitutem redigi non recuso" - Latin (translates to "I refuse to be dominated.")

  14. #14
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2015
    Posts
    279
    Reputation
    590
    Type
    Neutral

    Re: Does Artificial Intelligence Pose a Threat?

    Artificial Intelligence, like any creation, is limited by the creator. Considering that men are dumb enough to fall for a woman, I highly doubt AI would amount to anything as dramatic as the Terminator, or the Borg.

    There is something about the human brain that AI can't replicate, they can out-perform a human brain yes, but there is something about humanity that is different from a simple computer. And until we can identify, and replicate it, AI would be nothing more than a tool. A very effective, game-changing tool, but a tool nonetheless.

    However, I must say that the introduction of machines, and AI, would change the environment regarding jobs; low skilled, super-simple work would become obsolete. Hard labor will no longer be a viable line of work as machines streamline and improve things like mining or even fishing. But these machines will need maintaining, no matter how advanced they become, and that could be a new line of work for low-skilled workers; simple mechanics and engineering would probably be in demand then, which only requires a certificate of competence atop a willingness to work with their hands. Schooling would be necessary, even compulsory, if the laborers are to keep their jobs, and this might lead to more courses in hard sciences and mechanical stuff. Compared to sociology, or gender studies XP

    Does AI pose a threat? Yes and no; yes to low skilled workers who would have to think about investing in a higher degree of education. But for people who have access to higher education, it would likely mean a period of minor adaptation to the new focus on machines and technology.

  15. #15
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Posts
    891
    Reputation
    1566
    Type
    Ghost

    Re: Does Artificial Intelligence Pose a Threat?

    Dharmendra Modha by UC Berkeley Events Youtube
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHPwIBiFVq0



    edit:

    Data Economy - Brain Inspired Computing Will AI & Robotics Make Humans Obsolete by TiE Silicon Valley Youtube
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbySwQoMye8




    Nick Bostrom speaks to UN event about risks from AI by Paul Crowley
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKClXkln3sQ




    Prof. Max Tegmark and Nick Bostrom Speak to the UN About the Threat of AI by Ronnie Harrington
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvzwcQM8Zak



    Nick Bostrom: "Superintelligence" by Talks at Google Youtube
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pywF6ZzsghI

    Last edited by wool.wizard; July 28, 2017 at 12:45 AM.

  16. #16
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Posts
    891
    Reputation
    1566
    Type
    Ghost

    Re: Does Artificial Intelligence Pose a Threat?

    This guy is wrong. https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/417036...s-out-of-work/

    headline:
    Former Facebook executive says society will COLLAPSE within 30 years as robots put half of humans out of work

    Antonio Garcia Martinez fears revolution and armed conflict will erupt in America in the coming decades

    A former Facebook executive has quit his job and now lives as a recluse in the wilderness – because he is convinced that machines will take over the world.
    Antonio is arguing for a local or global, catastrophic risk. Nick Bostrom argues technology is an existential risk. Antonio says technology will cause humans to destroy humans. Nick Bostrom argues technology will destroy humans. Antonio says human self-preservation 'instincts' are bad. Nick Bostrom says technology will eliminate humans. Antonio will live in the woods for 30+ years. Nick Bostrom will talk about solving problems.



    Ray Kurzweil is an optimist. He has many videos. He has the 'exponential curve of technology'. (He has many books.)
    Attached Images Attached Images

  17. #17
    Senior Member Eiji's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2015
    Location
    Sector 001, Earth, UCAS, Ohio Valley region
    Posts
    2,522
    Reputation
    3792
    Type
    pragmatist

    Re: Does Artificial Intelligence Pose a Threat?

    I think there does need to be some limit for AI...
    otherwise... just one word: SkyNet
    "I live in freedom, under my own flag." - Captain Harlock

    "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C Clarke

    "Who's the more foolish? The Fool? Or the Fool who follows him?" - Obi-wan "Ben" Kenobi

    "In servitutem redigi non recuso" - Latin (translates to "I refuse to be dominated.")

  18. #18

    Re: Does Artificial Intelligence Pose a Threat?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Joker View Post
    Robots are a major threat to humanity. The argument goes that in order to stay safe, we have remain smarter than our tools. The problem is that there is a intelligence arm race. The USA creates a robot that is under control of humans. China creates a semi-smart robot that reacts faster because it does not have to wait for orders from a human. So the USA creates a fully automated robots that can make split decisions without human intervention. We give war machines a little more intelligence. A little more. A little more. At some point we can lose control of the situation. So we lose control of a robot military who are fully armed and battle ready?

    Another problem is ethics. Can humans create ethical robots? Humans think at the speed of a chemical process. Robots think at the speed of electricity. We stop to sleep. They never stop. They operate 24/7. Robots can out think us. What if they decide that oxygen causes them rust, so, therefore, in order to survive, they need to get rid of oxygen. Oops. They did not kill us outright. They did it indirectly.

    Self programming, self replicating, virtually aware robots are a major threat. We could possibly create killer robots who views us as a bug to be squashed.
    I, Robot by Will Smith in a nutshell.
    "Courage is the catalyst that manifest ambitions." - Transcendent Sacred Courage

  19. #19

    Re: Does Artificial Intelligence Pose a Threat?

    I donīt know you guys but I am much more worried if the ONU will allow me to fish, hunt or even have an aquaponic system.

    I lived all my life in medium cities but I cannot imagine me doing this for much longer. I will not put anything in my body neither. I want to be natural.


Similar Threads

  1. the coming era of the artificial womb
    By shemyk344 in forum Lounge
    Replies: 11
    Last Post: July 7, 2018, 6:47 PM
  2. Counter-Intelligence
    By Devil in forum Philosophize
    Replies: 20
    Last Post: June 23, 2014, 2:43 AM
  3. Artificial Vaginas on the Way (Biological artificial ones)
    By Primus_Pilus in forum Random (Non-MGTOW subjects)
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: June 15, 2014, 5:48 AM
  4. Geoengineering - how much of a threat?
    By OneAndDone! in forum Random (Non-MGTOW subjects)
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: June 7, 2014, 5:41 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •