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    Anyone else went from left to right politically?

    Like the title says, anyone experience this lately?
    I been a mgtow for a few years but I have always been center left, but lately since really started diving into the left/progressive belief systems, especially gender and sex. I truly realize how freaking crazy they are

    It seem they accept everything but straight men.
    There is boundless empathy for gays, trans, women etc. But if you a straight man...hoo boy you gonna be considered everything but a child of god

    Between that and the left disgusting reactions to jordan Peterson crying due to a grow number of men suffering from (mainly) romantic loneliness and before that cerebrating kevin Samuel death.

    I soon realized that the left is no ally to straight men(took me long enough huh? lol) and thus have completes my transition to the right

    How you find yourself on the right?

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    Re: Anyone else went from left to right politically?

    When I had kid's I started leaning to the conservative side 35years ago. I know crazy when I see it But what I see now is a political system set up to control the people no matter what political party the claim to represent two wings of the same bird.

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    Re: Anyone else went from left to right politically?

    Quote Originally Posted by Slow Handf View Post
    When I had kid's I started leaning to the conservative side 35years ago. I know crazy when I see it But what I see now is a political system set up to control the people no matter what political party the claim to represent two wings of the same bird.
    My political bird only has one wing!


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    Re: Anyone else went from left to right politically?

    For the better part of 10 years, I've been of the mind it is also two wings of the same bird...but certainly moved "right" from my youth spent it liberal lala land...Not to say that some folks don't remain liberals their whole lives, but this is a fairly common progression as life experiences and education give you some wisdom . There is a saying - if you are 20 years old and not a liberal, you have no heart, if you are 40 and are not a conservative, you have no brains.

    That being said, the "right" has not really moved at all in the past 25+ years - sure they have "progressed" on some social issues (especially here in Canada).

    The left (worldwide) however, has gone running away at full speed, especially over the last decade or so... This diagram is accurate, although I'd say personally I am a bit center right if I have to pick a wing to stand on.

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    Re: Anyone else went from left to right politically?

    In years past you could have called me a leftie, but no longer. But I'm no conservative either. Sad truth is, both sides are bought and paid for from the dogcatcher to the President. I don't trust any of them.

    Local news last night said my State has more independent voters now than either major party, which kind of surprised me. Independents used to be a small minority since they can't vote in primary elections. Looks like people are getting sick of both sides, though it probably won't help anything.
    Every day I make the world a little bit worse.

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    Re: Anyone else went from left to right politically?

    Quote Originally Posted by frog View Post
    In years past you could have called me a leftie, but no longer. But I'm no conservative either. Sad truth is, both sides are bought and paid for from the dogcatcher to the President. I don't trust any of them.

    Local news last night said my State has more independent voters now than either major party, which kind of surprised me. Independents used to be a small minority since they can't vote in primary elections. Looks like people are getting sick of both sides, though it probably won't help anything.
    It boils down to different personalities, one is insane and emotional, the other is sane and rational, and it's void of politics!

    For the sane and rational we see certain realities brought in by the insane and irrational, policies like gender reassignment through chemical castigation for children without parental participation or notification. That's just one pellet in a silo of pellets.

    Another is the borrowing of money by the government to continue deficit spending, like an unruly wife spending all the finances and maxing out your debt and running your car and home out of fuel and going into foreclosure.

    We owe 31 trillion, a trillion dollars is pictured below. Add 40 trillion in unfunded liabilities and it paints a picture all it's own on a canvas of absolute truth. Below that illustration is a link to the national debt clock ticking away like a timebomb.



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    Re: Anyone else went from left to right politically?

    Small question that requires a big answer.

    In simple terms yes, Iíve moved further to what is considered right-wing, but I havenít abandoned all that is considered left-wing, just most of it.

    Where I grew up (Northern Ireland) such questions are tied up in a mesh of various indoctrinations.

    Socialism (left-wing) is associated with Catholicism, Republicanism, (yes, thatís correct, Republicanism), and your Irishness.

    Capitalism (right-wing) is associated with Protestantism, Unionism (with the U.K.) and your Britishness.

    So you can see that switching political views carries a huge burden. Itís not just about politics, switching can see you being labelled as a traitor to your own people with all the implications this implies.


    So, which left-wing policies do I still ascribe to?

    Basically, I believe that any natural monopoly is best served by big.gov. For example power, water and rail. Why? Because private companies are concerned only with profit and if they have the market cornered they can gouge their customers as they have little to no alternative.

    Iím on the side-lines with regards medical care. On the one hand I believe medical care shouldnít depend on your means to pay for it, on the other hand there is no escaping the fact that private medical care is often more effective as they are more willing to invest in new treatments.

    For the most part the rest should be left to market forces where each individual can decide for themselves if theyíre getting what they pay for.

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    Re: Anyone else went from left to right politically?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    Small question that requires a big answer.

    In simple terms yes, I’ve moved further to what is considered right-wing, but I haven’t abandoned all that is considered left-wing, just most of it.

    Where I grew up (Northern Ireland) such questions are tied up in a mesh of various indoctrinations.

    Socialism (left-wing) is associated with Catholicism, Republicanism, (yes, that’s correct, Republicanism), and your Irishness.

    Capitalism (right-wing) is associated with Protestantism, Unionism (with the U.K.) and your Britishness.

    So you can see that switching political views carries a huge burden. It’s not just about politics, switching can see you being labelled as a traitor to your own people with all the implications this implies.


    So, which left-wing policies do I still ascribe to?

    Basically, I believe that any natural monopoly is best served by big.gov. For example power, water and rail. Why? Because private companies are concerned only with profit and if they have the market cornered they can gouge their customers as they have little to no alternative.

    I’m on the side-lines with regards medical care. On the one hand I believe medical care shouldn’t depend on your means to pay for it, on the other hand there is no escaping the fact that private medical care is often more effective as they are more willing to invest in new treatments.

    For the most part the rest should be left to market forces where each individual can decide for themselves if they’re getting what they pay for.
    I think this is the conundrum many of us face, such as what frog mentioned above. I think Rogan said it once on a podcast - just being in no-man's land politically. Generally holding small government and other economically conservative values, while being somewhat more liberal on social values (which basically fits the definition of a classical liberal, not the woke psychopathy that parades as being liberal today). With voting, you seem to have to pick one side completely and yet the vast majority of people would fit into this middle more natural middle ground. Perhaps libertarians fit here, but they can't seem to get any political traction and there is a lot of negative connotations with that movement as well.

    At this stage in our civilization, frankly I'm concerned with governments running anything (ie the natural monopolies). The level of incompetence, ignorance and corruption from both politicians and government workers at the managerial level is staggering. Sure, there are exceptions, but they are rare.

    Not to say that the corporate world doesn't have the same issues, especially with respect to corruption - but I'm also generally a fan of the free market to somewhat balance this out quickly by having some faith in people to "vote with their wallets". They/we don't always make the right choices either - and the heavy use of propaganda (which also applies to politics, not just business/marketing) doesn't help here.

    Unfortunately election cycles aren't as quick as the market, and the damage over a few years that the wrong political choices can wreak may take decades to fix. Here in Canada, we are living through this right now.

    Like you said, simple question....but certainly no simple answers!

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    Re: Anyone else went from left to right politically?

    Hard to say. I still "feel" left wing, but all the billionaires I always hated "identify" as left.

    Mention the labor theory of value and you're labelled "alt right".

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    Re: Anyone else went from left to right politically?

    I'm independent, and I have been since I first registered to vote at 18. I think that the founders of this nation (USA) would have found the permanent, de-facto two-party system absolutely despicable. Both sides are beholden to corporate benefactors (or as I tell people: same shit, different piles). Minarchist would be the closest description of my political philosophy.

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    Re: Anyone else went from left to right politically?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    Small question that requires a big answer.

    In simple terms yes, I’ve moved further to what is considered right-wing, but I haven’t abandoned all that is considered left-wing, just most of it.

    Where I grew up (Northern Ireland) such questions are tied up in a mesh of various indoctrinations.

    Socialism (left-wing) is associated with Catholicism, Republicanism, (yes, that’s correct, Republicanism), and your Irishness.

    Capitalism (right-wing) is associated with Protestantism, Unionism (with the U.K.) and your Britishness.

    So you can see that switching political views carries a huge burden. It’s not just about politics, switching can see you being labelled as a traitor to your own people with all the implications this implies.


    So, which left-wing policies do I still ascribe to?

    Basically, I believe that any natural monopoly is best served by big.gov. For example power, water and rail. Why? Because private companies are concerned only with profit and if they have the market cornered they can gouge their customers as they have little to no alternative.

    I’m on the side-lines with regards medical care. On the one hand I believe medical care shouldn’t depend on your means to pay for it, on the other hand there is no escaping the fact that private medical care is often more effective as they are more willing to invest in new treatments.

    For the most part the rest should be left to market forces where each individual can decide for themselves if they’re getting what they pay for.
    That policy is being implemented here by the left.

    "Basket of deplorables".

    "80 million voters casted as insurrectionists and terrorists by of all people the president".

    It goes on and on until one day the devil comes to collect his dues, it starts as "division" and ends in "destruction".

    United we stand, divided we fall is yesterday's mantra, today it reads "united we stood, divided we fell". We're in the fall, it's happening as I speak.
    Bundle up, boys, it's gonna be a long cold endless winter.


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    Re: Anyone else went from left to right politically?

    Quote Originally Posted by KRFJames View Post
    At this stage in our civilization, frankly I'm concerned with governments running anything (ie the natural monopolies). The level of incompetence, ignorance and corruption from both politicians and government workers at the managerial level is staggering. Sure, there are exceptions, but they are rare.
    Agreed.

    For me it’s about motivations. For the sake of argument let’s say it all boils down to making themselves rich on both sides – governmental bodies and corporate bodies.

    With the corporate body they have only have the products that they offer to concentrate on and so long as they hold on to their contracts they have the means to make their millions.

    Governments on the other hand have re-election to consider in making their millions. Price gouging the public in anything they control could lose them re-election and they would therefore lose their ability to take back-handers.

    Also businesses run by government bodies are VERY susceptible to unions for the very same reasons making it difficult to manage anything properly.

    There are no easy answers.

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    Re: Anyone else went from left to right politically?

    I grew up in a socialist left wing utopian country. If you have any ambition in life it will be brutally crushed by the government. I escaped it as soon as I could, immigrated here legally and lived a great life here in the US for a few decades. That is until now, that dark cloud of socialism is once again building on the horizon and it will overtake everything like an enormous swarm of locust that devours the land as it sweeps through.
    People in this country who have never lived under a socialist regime have ABSOLUTELY no idea what they are in for. It will destroy their soul, and believe me, alcoholism will be rampant, just like it is in all socialist countries.
    As soon as I retire, I will once again pull up my stakes and hightail it out of here like a motherfucker.

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    Re: Anyone else went from left to right politically?

    Itís a shame that most people are too stupid or blind to take your word for it. I just canít fathom how roughly half the people in the US (not sure I believe that stat either) support this 100% guaranteed fail type of government. What the hell happened?

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    Re: Anyone else went from left to right politically?

    When I turned 18 in 2000, I voted for W. Bush. I was an independent up until 2004 when my mom introduced me to FOX News and I realized I'm a right-wing conservative Republican. I believe in common sense American traditions and culture. Ever since the Obama president years, I realized just how wacky the Democrats are and it seems like they're even worse since Biden. The left are a bunch of bigots against whites and men and straight people. They want to mutilate children's sexual identities. The more I hear from the Dems, the more right-wing I am.

    Democrats are just TERRIBLE people!
    It's a man's world and we need to take it by the throat and make it give us what we desire.

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    Re: Anyone else went from left to right politically?

    I spent most of my life as a conservative Democrat with a strong Civil Liberties commitment.

    Free Speech should be a societal value, not just in the Constitution, but it's being eroded:
    Now I see the deplatforming, shaming, etc. of things that were fairly non-controversial just a few years ago by almost every major institution in society from Academia to Large Corps to the Median and the Military, and it's cheered on by the Left, which has become illiberal Postmodernists.

    It all comes from the top down.

    So I'm a populist now.

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    Re: Anyone else went from left to right politically?

    Quote Originally Posted by WPL View Post
    I'm independent, and I have been since I first registered to vote at 18. I think that the founders of this nation (USA) would have found the permanent, de-facto two-party system absolutely despicable. Both sides are beholden to corporate benefactors (or as I tell people: same shit, different piles). Minarchist would be the closest description of my political philosophy.
    Speaking of piles of shit - I saw this example somewhere (on a similar discussion related to the voting/not voting etc) a few days ago and saved it as it makes me laugh every time I read it:

    imagine you have two piles of shit. One on the left and one on the right. Your voluntary job is to choose which pile of shit to consume.

    Some will pick the corn filled shit on the left, some will pick the peanut filled shit on the right. Once they eat the shit and are confronted with being a shit eater they're gonna justify it any way they can. It doesn't matter what they come up with for justification, they're still shit eaters.

    Choosing to say no, I'm not voluntarily eating ANY shit would be best choice, but most people don't realize it's a valid option.

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    Re: Anyone else went from left to right politically?

    Quote Originally Posted by KRFJames View Post
    Speaking of piles of shit - I saw this example somewhere (on a similar discussion related to the voting/not voting etc) a few days ago and saved it as it makes me laugh every time I read it:

    imagine you have two piles of shit. One on the left and one on the right. Your voluntary job is to choose which pile of shit to consume.

    Some will pick the corn filled shit on the left, some will pick the peanut filled shit on the right. Once they eat the shit and are confronted with being a shit eater they're gonna justify it any way they can. It doesn't matter what they come up with for justification, they're still shit eaters.

    Choosing to say no, I'm not voluntarily eating ANY shit would be best choice, but most people don't realize it's a valid option.
    This is why I started to spoil my vote.

    I now only actually vote in referenda, and even then only sometimes because they're often worded in fucked-up ways so you don't actually get to vote the way you wish to.

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    Re: Anyone else went from left to right politically?

    Seems Tulsi Gabbard has had enough of the Democratic Party and their woke bullshit. I never thought she was much of a Democrat anyway. In fact, sheís the only person in that whole sick bunch that Iíd have ever considered voting for.

    https://nypost.com/2022/10/11/tulsi-...asts-wokeness/

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    Re: Anyone else went from left to right politically?

    Quote Originally Posted by Survivor64 View Post
    Seems Tulsi Gabbard has had enough of the Democratic Party and their woke bullshit. I never thought she was much of a Democrat anyway. In fact, she’s the only person in that whole sick bunch that I’d have ever considered voting for.

    https://nypost.com/2022/10/11/tulsi-...asts-wokeness/
    Let's hope she doesn't join the GOP to become a RINO and sabotage it from within. Does the name Murkowski ring a bell? This seems to be the DEM MO, switch parties, pretend to be a born again republican, and then undermine everything GOP is trying to accomplish.


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