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    NEW THREAD: Science, Gravity, Outer Space, Evolution, Perception of Reality, and other brainy stuff

    In addition to what others said, I'll add in the modern education system based around coed schooling, grokking the woke propaganda and general conflict avoidance. They never learn the importance of questioning what they are told, or intelligent debating and conversation. Its like, the education system presses the "pause button" on the brain development, so the body grows but the brain stays child like forever.



    I remember asking how the Earth, its atmosphere and everything in it could be spinning and clinging to the Earth, while the other side of some asteroids there is an infinite vacuum. What is separating the two? There would have to be something independent of both the Earth and space, something strong enough to contain the Earth and everything in it without succumbing to its gravitational pull, and also strong enough not to be sucked into the vacuum of space. A barrier where on one side the atmosphere was travelling at an incredible speed (the further you get from the centre of rotation the faster it would be) and complete nothing on the other side. And that every planet/star must have this same 'barrier' otherwise everything would be clinging to the most massive mass in space. No answers were forthcoming from either teacher or fellow pupils and I was basically treated like a troublemaker.
    You are right, such enquiry should excite properly scientific minds and if education was really about learning we'd be trying to come up with answers to things we don't know and challenging decades or centuries old theories.
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    Re: What makes a blue pilled man?

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    I remember asking how the Earth, its atmosphere and everything in it could be spinning and clinging to the Earth, while the other side of some asteroids there is an infinite vacuum. What is separating the two? There would have to be something independent of both the Earth and space, something strong enough to contain the Earth and everything in it without succumbing to its gravitational pull, and also strong enough not to be sucked into the vacuum of space. A barrier where on one side the atmosphere was travelling at an incredible speed (the further you get from the centre of rotation the faster it would be) and complete nothing on the other side. And that every planet/star must have this same 'barrier' otherwise everything would be clinging to the most massive mass in space. No answers were forthcoming from either teacher or fellow pupils and I was basically treated like a troublemaker.
    You are right, such enquiry should excite properly scientific minds and if education was really about learning we'd be trying to come up with answers to things we don't know and challenging decades or centuries old theories.
    Education... another hoax!
    Asking god questions like when did time begin and where does space end only unravels their tight little ball of self delusion thereby giving you the title of trouble maker.

    Take it from one trouble maker to another, don't ask them any questions, just spoon feed them their own shit! They'll love and adore you instead of hating your guts! I call it the two-sided double-take two-step Tuesday two face! I have a smile to go with it that's more synthetic than plastic!
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    Re: What makes a blue pilled man?

    Quote Originally Posted by happybachelor View Post
    You are right, such enquiry should excite properly scientific minds and if education was really about learning we'd be trying to come up with answers to things we don't know and challenging decades or centuries old theories.
    Education... another hoax!
    One thing very few science oriented (as opposed to god-oriented) people have the discipline to say : "well we dont know". Maybe some of them do that to buckle up for someone to make claim about some answer involving god, and this may come as a threat. I on the other hand, have no such "god anxiety". If I am not aware that mankind knows an answer to something, I'll calmly accept it and concede that believe what you like. In other words, I dont view god as a threat, but merely as an alternative (and competing) explanation.

    Quote Originally Posted by happybachelor View Post
    I remember asking how the Earth, its atmosphere and everything in it could be spinning and clinging to the Earth, while the other side of some asteroids there is an infinite vacuum. What is separating the two? There would have to be something independent of both the Earth and space, something strong enough to contain the Earth and everything in it without succumbing to its gravitational pull, and also strong enough not to be sucked into the vacuum of space. A barrier where on one side the atmosphere was travelling at an incredible speed (the further you get from the centre of rotation the faster it would be) and complete nothing on the other side. And that every planet/star must have this same 'barrier' otherwise everything would be clinging to the most massive mass in space.
    The answer to that seems obvious, maybe I missed something or misunderstood something. You need force to compress the matter, if the gravitation pull is not enough to overcome it, then it will eventually reach an equilibrium, which is why not everything is collapsing into a black hole. But gravitation is strong enough to apply enough centripetal force to prevent atmosphere from escaping into the space. Yes at some height eventually the force is not enough to maintain the hold, which is why atmosphere gradually thins out. Furthermore, the movement is circular, which means as per Newtonian physics, the force required to maintain the hold actually decreases a bit with radius (but increases by square of linear velocity). And lastly, there is no friction overall resisting the motion, so no energy is lost, which is why the spinning is maintained.

    For asteroids the gravitation pull is too little to hold even a tiny bit of atmosphere.

    Again, I do think I misunderstood something. And even if I didnt, I am no space physicist, I only understand basic high school level newtonian physics. And there are a lot of simplifications present there.
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    Re: What makes a blue pilled man?

    I think you have described the theory of gravity but not understood my core question.
    Popular theory suggests the entire atmosphere is rotating with the Earth. So then imagine the very edge of it, this would be travelling extremely fast (someone better at maths than me can work it out, but it's going to be way faster than 1000mph because of how far it is from the centre of rotation).
    Then all of a sudden, nothing (space). How is this explained? Many thousands of miles per hour, then zero. Only some kind of barrier, the likes of which we could not comprehend, could do this job. If you're saying there is not such a barrier, you would have to explain how the two can exist next to each other without the greater force winning. Otherwise you'd be suggesting there is some kind of limbo, which again would need explaining - to my mind there is nothing I have seen attempting to explain this.
    You're saying eventually gravity is not strong enough to maintain the hold. But IF the atmosphere is moving with the Earth is MUST be part of the Earth's system. The Earth's rotation is carrying it with it, suggesting the atmosphere, even the very top, is subject to the Earth. And that being so, the atmosphere would be drawn towards it (gravity). You can't have it both ways, in my mind.
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    Re: What makes a blue pilled man?

    Quote Originally Posted by happybachelor View Post
    I think you have described the theory of gravity but not understood my core question.
    Popular theory suggests the entire atmosphere is rotating with the Earth. So then imagine the very edge of it, this would be travelling extremely fast (someone better at maths than me can work it out, but it's going to be way faster than 1000mph because of how far it is from the centre of rotation).
    Then all of a sudden, nothing (space). How is this explained? Many thousands of miles per hour, then zero. Only some kind of barrier, the likes of which we could not comprehend, could do this job. If you're saying there is not such a barrier, you would have to explain how the two can exist next to each other without the greater force winning. Otherwise you'd be suggesting there is some kind of limbo, which again would need explaining - to my mind there is nothing I have seen attempting to explain this.
    You're saying eventually gravity is not strong enough to maintain the hold. But IF the atmosphere is moving with the Earth is MUST be part of the Earth's system. The Earth's rotation is carrying it with it, suggesting the atmosphere, even the very top, is subject to the Earth. And that being so, the atmosphere would be drawn towards it (gravity). You can't have it both ways, in my mind.
    160 miles above MSL is zero gravity and where stationary satellites are positioned, caught between gravity and inertia, there's no atmosphere yet this is the line in the sand where things are trapped between the two forces of gravity and inertia. Slow down the inertia and the object must be moved to an even higher orbit that becomes non stationary just like low orbit satellites. Without inertia or planetary orbit, everything in the solar system would gather together with the sun and end feminism once and for all!
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    Re: What makes a blue pilled man?

    Quote Originally Posted by happybachelor View Post
    I think you have described the theory of gravity but not understood my core question.
    Popular theory suggests the entire atmosphere is rotating with the Earth. So then imagine the very edge of it, this would be travelling extremely fast (someone better at maths than me can work it out, but it's going to be way faster than 1000mph because of how far it is from the centre of rotation).
    Then all of a sudden, nothing (space). How is this explained? Many thousands of miles per hour, then zero. Only some kind of barrier, the likes of which we could not comprehend, could do this job. If you're saying there is not such a barrier, you would have to explain how the two can exist next to each other without the greater force winning. Otherwise you'd be suggesting there is some kind of limbo, which again would need explaining - to my mind there is nothing I have seen attempting to explain this.
    You're saying eventually gravity is not strong enough to maintain the hold. But IF the atmosphere is moving with the Earth is MUST be part of the Earth's system. The Earth's rotation is carrying it with it, suggesting the atmosphere, even the very top, is subject to the Earth. And that being so, the atmosphere would be drawn towards it (gravity). You can't have it both ways, in my mind.
    The atmosphere doesnt become zero outside a thin barrier, it gradually thins out. Which means the density of air becomes lesser and lesser as you move up, eventually becoming zero (no air). And at any height where air is existing, there are forces acting on it which are overall in equilibrium and thus air is not escaping.

    Force acting downwards is gravity. Forces countering gravity is the fluid pressure resisting compression. This is why we dont see water in the sea collapse into the earth, even when gravity at surface of sea level is enough to pull it down. Also, the pressure at the depths of water is higher. Air is a gas, which means its particles are more chaotic in nature than liquid, and thus the surface is not as even as sea water, but it is following the same rules.

    To see that air is gradually thinning out, google for "air pressure formula at height". It will show you an exponentially decreasing formula as a function of height above sea level. That expression basically says there is no such boundary. Though its a high school simplification, the real values differ slightly, because there are other factors involved (which I dont know of specifically).

    EDIT: Another force acting against gravity is reaction to angular acceleration. That is, when an object is rotated about a point, it tries to fly away. The planets orbiting the sun, the moons orbiting the planet, are held at equilibrium between this force and gravity.
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    Re: What makes a blue pilled man?

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    160 miles above MSL is zero gravity and where stationary satellites are positioned, caught between gravity and inertia, there's no atmosphere yet this is the line in the sand where things are trapped between the two forces of gravity and inertia. Slow down the inertia and the object must be moved to an even higher orbit that becomes non stationary just like low orbit satellites. Without inertia or planetary orbit, everything in the solar system would gather together with the sun and end feminism once and for all!
    I guess from stationary satellite, you mean to say geo-stationary satellites. From what I know, the gravity still exists (force of gravity = GMm / r^2), its never really becoming zero (theoretically). But at that height, the angular velocity of satellite, required to prevent it from falling back to earth is equal to the angular velocity of earth itself, which makes satellite stationary with respect to any particular point on the surface of planet.
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    Re: What makes a blue pilled man?

    You are giving standard explanations based on the accepted science but these are based on gravity (never proven) and relativity (false).
    None of the above attempts to explain how you can have the Earth's atmosphere all subject to the Earth then infinite nothingness without separation. Or if acknowledging separation, how this could be so. What 'other forces' are acting on the air near space?
    If the TV or a science book says the earth is round then I automatically know to question it. One thing I know is that they would not so keenly educate you on things which were actually true!
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    Re: What makes a blue pilled man?

    Quote Originally Posted by happybachelor View Post
    You are giving standard explanations based on the accepted science but these are based on gravity (never proven) and relativity (false).
    None of the above attempts to explain how you can have the Earth's atmosphere all subject to the Earth then infinite nothingness without separation. Or if acknowledging separation, how this could be so. What 'other forces' are acting on the air near space?
    If the TV or a science book says the earth is round then I automatically know to question it. One thing I know is that they would not so keenly educate you on things which were actually true!
    I have no problems with you questioning, in fact I liked it. I had to confirm some little details which I forgot.

    But you are getting the purpose of explanation wrong. You are focusing on what is actually there, which is apparent from your statements that you are saying gravity is not proven or relativity is false.

    The purpose is never to know what is actually there. Its impossible. The explanation is roughly the same as that statement from Matrix movie. Reality is merely the electric signals of your nerves. We all are limited by our perception, and there is no way to ever know if we map the reality perfectly.

    The purpose of any explanation or theory is, like I said in other threads, is to make machines and plans. If the theory is "good enough", even if "unproven" or "false", it works. The standard laws of gravity and fluid dynamics work, and are used to build machines. The laws of relativity work, it is used in tracking airplanes. That is good enough.

    Its alright by me if you are seeking the absolute truth, but I am not seeking it, I am merely seeking utility. I and any others who understand underlying principles of science.
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    Re: What makes a blue pilled man?

    Quote Originally Posted by happybachelor View Post
    You are giving standard explanations based on the accepted science but these are based on gravity (never proven) and relativity (false).
    None of the above attempts to explain how you can have the Earth's atmosphere all subject to the Earth then infinite nothingness without separation. Or if acknowledging separation, how this could be so. What 'other forces' are acting on the air near space?
    If the TV or a science book says the earth is round then I automatically know to question it. One thing I know is that they would not so keenly educate you on things which were actually true!
    Separation? You can fly a proton through solid objects and out the other side, inner space is also a reality, in fact when inner space law is violated you get a nuclear reaction with energy release and molecular/atomic destruction (like a planetary collision) the electron valences on molecules are like the rings of Saturn and the solar system's planets are atoms with you flying in a proton past all them without hitting any of them. In fact, electron exchange in chemistry could be viewed like a space craft going from one orbit to another between atoms forming molecules or like in ionizing radiation tearing the electrons off and changing the chemistry.

    This is getting deep, I need my mental waders!

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    Re: What makes a blue pilled man?

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    Separation? You can fly a proton through solid objects and out the other side, inner space is also a reality, in fact when inner space law is violated you get a nuclear reaction with energy release and molecular/atomic destruction (like a planetary collision) the electron valences on molecules are like the rings of Saturn and the solar system's planets are atoms with you flying in a proton past all them without hitting any of them. In fact, electron exchange in chemistry could be viewed like a space craft going from one orbit to another between atoms forming molecules or like in ionizing radiation tearing the electrons off and changing the chemistry.

    This is getting deep, I need my mental waders!
    Oh we can go a little bit furthur ....

    What are those 'collisions' ? What does it mean something collided ? Based on what I know, there are mainly these 4 forces acting between all the particles: gravity, electromagnetic, and two nuclear forces. I dont know about nuclear forces, but the other two, both are inversely proportional to square of distance. Which means, theoretically, there is no upper limit on their magnitude. Which means, you can make two particles as close as you want if you can somehow withstand the repulsive force. The neutron stars and black holes are classic examples.

    Ok I think the thread is now derailed enough, wont be surprised if Unboxxed rips it apart !
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    Re: What makes a blue pilled man?

    Quote Originally Posted by rkspsm View Post
    Oh we can go a little bit furthur ....

    What are those 'collisions' ? What does it mean something collided ? Based on what I know, there are mainly these 4 forces acting between all the particles: gravity, electromagnetic, and two nuclear forces. I dont know about nuclear forces, but the other two, both are inversely proportional to square of distance. Which means, theoretically, there is no upper limit on their magnitude. Which means, you can make two particles as close as you want if you can somehow withstand the repulsive force. The neutron stars and black holes are classic examples.

    Ok I think the thread is now derailed enough, wont be surprised if Unboxxed rips it apart !
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    Re: What makes a blue pilled man?

    God-damn red pillers!
    Soz OP!
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    Re: What makes a blue pilled man?

    Quote Originally Posted by happybachelor View Post
    God-damn red pillers!
    Soz OP!
    No worries dude. These things happen often. I'm also interested in astro-physics so not a problem.
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    Re: What makes a blue pilled man?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    No worries dude. These things happen often. I'm also interested in astro-physics so not a problem.
    Interest in astro physics or astronomy in general, even if its a passing interest, is something I have seen very common among the red pilled dudes I have come across.

    And I know its not the topic of this thread but gotta say, about that endearing longing we have when we look up the night sky with all the stars... wondering about all sorts of things. What is out there ? How it all came to be ? WHY all of it is there ? And last but not the least... how can we ever go there ?!
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    Re: What makes a blue pilled man?

    Quote Originally Posted by rkspsm View Post
    Interest in astro physics or astronomy in general, even if its a passing interest, is something I have seen very common among the red pilled dudes I have come across.

    And I know its not the topic of this thread but gotta say, about that endearing longing we have when we look up the night sky with all the stars... wondering about all sorts of things. What is out there ? How it all came to be ? WHY all of it is there ? And last but not the least... how can we ever go there ?!
    It's kind of natural to a red-piller I think. We like to question and there are few bigger questions than this.
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    Re: What makes a blue pilled man?

    It's kind of natural to a red-piller I think. We like to question and there are few bigger questions than this.


    True. For me that's when I found God. I know that's a dirty word around scientific peoples, but it's what I believe.
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    Re: What makes a blue pilled man?

    Quote Originally Posted by happybachelor View Post
    True. For me that's when I found God. I know that's a dirty word around scientific peoples, but it's what I believe.
    Dirty word around science? I think god has laid claim to chief executive scientist while the ignorant and unwilling seek to play devil's advocate rather than face other facts and fossils that dispel their beliefs.

    What about prophecy? Doesn't that count for anything?

    I don't believe in evolution with so many creatures having similar skeletal and organ arrangements, eyes in skulls, balls between legs, arms, wings, fins, fingers, toes, hooves and fingernails, all relatively in the same geometric place and same material, like a master blueprint, not diversity like evolutionists say, if so, every lifeform would be different in every way, shape, and form.
    Plant life too, roots, trunks, stems, leaves, and fruits. Fish also, they all look the same but some with lungs, not gills, like god was mixing it up and creating different things that had to function according to the incorruptible laws set forth in creation and nature.

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    Re: What makes a blue pilled man?

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    I don't believe in evolution...
    Asking a question here, not a criticism, to what you mean when you say you dont believe in evolution. Isnt bio-engineering an evolution, where human plays the role of nature in terms of selecting which crop/animal to breed ?

    And the results of bio-engineering are undeniable. The ratio of mass of fruit pulp to its seeds has increased, the grain produce has increased, the cows give more milk, WAY more milk, etc. Of course, some people took it too far. I am sure many of us have seen the videos of weird chickens with five legs or whatever. But that is not the point, the technology can be misused, just like guns.

    But saying that you dont believe in a tech, which has worked for decades if not centuries, from someone who understands tech, makes me wonder if I misunderstood the statement.
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    Re: What makes a blue pilled man?

    Evolution says we, and every living thing, evolved from amoeba. Lol. I know man, try saying that without laughing. Where to even begin explaining how this could work. I don't think the Earth has been around for long enough to see such a dramatic change.
    Also, why all the different life forms? Was this simply due to environment? So put me in the jungle and what, I'll eventually turn into an ape, or one of the millions of different species? What would dictate whether I turned into an aligator or a dung beetle? Is there a postage stamp sized piece of land on Earth for every single different animal, with characteristics specific to the evolution of that animal?
    Bio-engineering is not an evolution. That is just fancy pants philosophy! No doubt living things affect one another, but manipulating life forms at the cellular level is plain degeneracy.
    It's degenerate because there are no solutions, only trade offs. You might get more milk from the cow, but there is always a consequence (I think Newton alluded to this).

    But saying that you dont believe in a tech, which has worked for decades if not centuries, from someone who understands tech, makes me wonder if I misunderstood the statement.


    Possibly you did misunderstand, I believe Tower meant evolution in terms of the 'universal common ancestor' (ie an amoeba) theory, where survival of the fittest kills off the weak and the strong adapt to their environment leading to all the life forms today. That is what science claims but to me that is absolute magical thinking.

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