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    Question Technical question?

    Who are the people posting in the "Talk" section on the "Forum" home page?

    Is this an open area where anyone can post because I can't find their names in the member's section?
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    Re: Technical question?

    I have wondered the same

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    Re: Technical question?

    Do you mean these recent posts?



    The member list to which I think you refer (under Options) does not list anybody whose account is in the moderation bucket and this includes new registrants. In fact, one of the two shown here still needs to validate his email address with us, which surprises me.

    I've always kept both Talk Box and Shoutbox minimized from view so I've never noticed unapproved registrants were posting there. I'd prefer these posting privileges not be extended to those under moderation and who have not done an Intro so I will check vBulletin rules to see if I can turn that off for moderated folks. It looks like Talk Box and Shoutbox are not displayed to those who are not logged in and that would include those who are not registered. Therefore, lurkers should not even know those features are there, to be attracted to registering here just to access them.

    Both usernames posted only the same day they each registered and apparently have not returned to Talk Box. If I can't turn it off, at least they got bored there and left. One is being processed for lack of Intro and the other one for delay of account activation.

    Do you know how to pull up a list of most recent registrants? I've selected the Top 30 to display here:



    Here, vBulletin calls everybody a "Member" regardless of actual status with us. You will see the two Talk Box usernames on this list. The usernames with strikethrough have been banned. On any of them, you can click and be brought to their profile where you can click on the Visitor Message tab to see if a Mod has yet processed them for lack of action by the messages we place there. Spammers, however, are summarily banned without discussion.

    I may have to modify my generosity towards specific new registrants based on whatever I may find in the Talk Box moving forward. We'll have to see, I guess.

    Thank you, Jackoff, for bringing this up.
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    Re: Technical question?

    I have now disabled access to that Live Feed (aka "Talk" Box) to new registrants who are sitting in the moderation bucket because they have not yet had their Intro approved by a Mod. This includes registrants who haven't even confirmed their email address with us to then arrive into that moderation bucket. Still looking into Shoutbox access although that was not mentioned here.
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    Re: Technical question?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unboxxed View Post
    Do you mean these recent posts?


    Yes indeed. Thanks for the explanation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unboxxed View Post
    Do you know how to pull up a list of most recent registrants? I've selected the Top 30 to display here:
    I think you hit on my confusion. I turned off the Top Stats box a while back (I can't remember why exactly) and can't find any way to turn it back on. I've been through all the options but can't seem to find it, any assitance would be appreciated.


    Also I noticed a new button today "Thank for this post" and wonder if it has any function beyond the obvious, for example does it award reputation like the "Like this post" button?
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    Re: Technical question?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    Also I noticed a new button today "Thank for this post" and wonder if it has any function beyond the obvious.
    We'll find out. I stumbled upon it when looking for the other thing. Often I click "Like" as a "Thank you" or similar acknowledgement. Maybe this new button will have merit. Can't hurt to try it out.

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    Re: Technical question?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    I turned off the Top Stats box a while back (I can't remember why exactly) and can't find any way to turn it back on. I've been through all the options but can't seem to find it, any assitance would be appreciated.
    Did you try toggling the up/down arrow at far right of the black bar in this image:




    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    for example does it award reputation like the "Like this post" button?
    Yes, the same 1 rep.
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    Re: Technical question?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unboxxed View Post
    Did you try toggling the up/down arrow at far right of the black bar in this image:


    There is no bar:



    If I remember properly I switched it off altogether from one of the drop down menus on that black bar. There was a message saying it could be turned back on but I didn't make a note of how. It isn't really a problem but I would like to know.
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    Re: Technical question?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    There is no bar:

    If I remember properly I switched it off altogether from one of the drop down menus on that black bar. There was a message saying it could be turned back on but I didn't make a note of how. It isn't really a problem but I would like to know.
    Ok, I did some research.

    TL;DR: you're screwed.

    You did turn it off via that black bar. What you saw in response was what I call a "blink message", one of those screen messages that annoyingly appears for so short of a time that if you blink, you miss it. Here is a screen shot of the blink message, and I had to burn through two dummy accounts to capture it:




    However, there ain't no such option on the Quick Links menu of my dummy accounts, seen here:




    Does your Quick Links menu have the "Enable Top Statistics" on it? Let me know, as I am cynically ready for anything.

    According to the vBulletin versions list, our site would need to upgrade in order to have Quick Links show that Enable option. Here's the actual text from what the upgrade does:

    -New: User can completely disable Top Stats (and enable it later easily if wanted)
    -If stats disabled then "Enable Top Statistics" appears in Quick Links"

    Strange that it bothers to serve up that blink message for an option we don't have. That's why I get cynical.

    I have messaged Jagr with a detailed explanation of my research, asking what action he may take. There may be money involved in the upgrade which could be weighed against your discomfort. LOL.

    In the mean time, I'd advise anybody reading this to avoid disabling the Top 10 Stats feature.

    Thank you.
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    Re: Technical question?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unboxxed View Post
    TL;DR: you're screwed.
    I was able to disable the stats and re-enable it again

    The link which disables stats is (i mangle the text a bit, so its formatted as text and not url) :
    https:// www .goingyourownway .com / misc.php ? do=disablestats
    So I thought, why not I try disabling it by going to that link, and then manually try this link :

    https:// www .goingyourownway .com / misc.php ? do=enablestats
    It worked for me !

    Link to enable stats.
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    Re: Technical question?

    Quote Originally Posted by rkspsm View Post
    I was able to disable the stats and re-enable it again

    The link which disables stats is (i mangle the text a bit, so its formatted as text and not url) :


    So I thought, why not I try disabling it by going to that link, and then manually try this link :



    It worked for me !

    Link to enable stats.
    It worked for me, too, on both my dummy accounts!

    Thank you!

    How did you notice the first URL, the one that disabled?

    You were gutsy to to the disable, in case the enable didn't work.

    Shucks, now we'll never get that upgrade.
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    Re: Technical question?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unboxxed View Post
    It worked for me, too, on both my dummy accounts!

    Thank you!

    How did you notice the first URL, the one that disabled?

    You were gutsy to to the disable, in case the enable didn't work.

    Shucks, now we'll never get that upgrade.
    Well, I didnt disabled it from start, because there was no need to, and I often use it to quickly check the activity on the forums. In fact, I wasnt even aware that there is a disable option, until I read some of the posts on this thread. And that piqued my curiosity to check this out !

    About enable link not working, I'd say its highly unlikely. I've worked in webdev, and we programmers are pretty lazy. What I mean is, its very unlikely we will make one link as disableX and name other link as turn_on_X. It is very rare, so rare that I dont even remember if I ever saw one such case. If the word disable is there, then there is gotta be a link with the word "enable", so is the case with yes/no, on/off, true/false etc... so yeah, I believed that odds were sufficiently in my favor to go on with it.
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    Re: Technical question?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unboxxed View Post
    How did you notice the first URL, the one that disabled?
    My browser (firefox) shown the link when I hovered onto that disable option. But even if it didnt, I would've used developer tools, which can be turned on by ctrl+shift+i here (and its same for chrome also i guess, other browsers i dont know), and then inspecting that element to see what its doing. Most of the times, the options on these forum frameworks are plain links, but sometimes they can also be buttons, in which case the link wont be shown, and you will need to inspect from developer tools what the button is doing. That wasnt needed here though.
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    Re: Technical question?

    Quote Originally Posted by rkspsm View Post
    My browser (firefox) shown the link when I hovered onto that disable option.
    I'm using Firefox but I didn't notice it before. A small, thin message appearing in the wee corner of my screen.

    Still, had I noticed it, I wouldn't have thought what you thought. Next time, I might.

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    Re: Technical question?

    Quote Originally Posted by rkspsm View Post
    I was able to disable the stats and re-enable it again

    The link which disables stats is (i mangle the text a bit, so its formatted as text and not url) :


    So I thought, why not I try disabling it by going to that link, and then manually try this link :



    It worked for me !

    Link to enable stats.
    Excellent catch, impressed muchly.

    Top stats on again, thanks.
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