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    Re: Is Slacking at Work Morally Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tomatoshadow2 View Post
    What's your guys opinion on calling in sick to work? Do you think it should ever be done, if you aren't sick, say for another day off?
    I would say it all depends on the reason.

    I have realised that on the occassions I have called in sick just for another day off I tend to do it again, then again. It took me a while to realise that I had lost interest in the job and it was time to start looking for another.

    However, if you have important matters to attend to like family or finacial problems, sometimes it is just easier to tell a porkie rather than having to explain your personal problems to someone who has no right to know.
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    Re: Is Slacking at Work Morally Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Knarley Bob View Post
    The ad said: Wanted, welder $15.00 - $25.00 / hour.
    A man turned in two welds for his test. One was full of pin holes, under cut, and just nasty.
    The other was a text book weld. Beautiful in every aspect.
    When asked what it was all about, the man explained...
    The first weld is $15.00 an hour......
    This exactly proves my point. The government has effectively turned that "$25 and hour" job into a "$15 and hour" job. Some seem to think because it's the taxman doing it and not the employer itself, that it's just okay then and you should give it 100%. Give it 100% when you don't receive 100% of the compensation? If there is a grievance employer, it's not with me but with the taxman.
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    Re: Is Slacking at Work Morally Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post
    Again, this would depend on your workplace and the kind of relationship you have with your manager. In my case, it is extremely difficult to take a day off, they demand you bring in a sick note of some sort and will keep asking you 'how do you feel?' in a sly passive aggressive way.

    If you are working in an environment where these things are freely given, including paternal leave etc.. then I would say for sure, go for it. You'll have to make a calculated guess.

    I would have to concur with Opaque. It depends on the organization you work for and how well your reputation is. If your name is mud, you may be let go for even the most minor transgressions. If you have a good reputation and people generally like you, then you have a lot more leeway to take a "sicky" periodically.
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    Re: Is Slacking at Work Morally Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonobo Protocol View Post
    I would have to concur with Opaque. It depends on the organization you work for and how well your reputation is. If your name is mud, you may be let go for even the most minor transgressions. If you have a good reputation and people generally like you, then you have a lot more leeway to take a "sicky" periodically.
    Yes well said, if you are well liked at work, you can slide by or given many chances to improve. If you are disliked, one wrong thing done and you are fired.

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    Re: Is Slacking at Work Morally Justified?

    https://www.goingyourownway.com/mgtow-ghosts/skiving-empty-labor-11183-post125342/#post125342

    We had a similar thread on this before where I made a case for being a "middle of the road" employee.

    Since then events at work have only reinforced my view that this is the best way to be. Dealing with management is a bit like dealing with women, never listen to what they say watch what they do.
    Look at what behaviour actually gets rewarded and punished and adjust your actions accordingly.

    6 years ago the company employed an absolute retard who could even do primary school level mathematical calculations, needless to say he was still struggling to do the very basics of the job after years. He caused countless arguments by claiming he was being bullied (read people frustrated with the fact he was completely untrainable). He cost the company thousands in lost productivity but ultimately only lost his job after sexual harassment against our first female employee (he was as guilty as hell as there were several witnesses).

    I live a low cost life style and have refused promotion at work despite being in the same job 10 years it's 10% more money for 100% more stress and hassle......No thanks

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    Re: Is Slacking at Work Morally Justified?

    Dealing with management is a bit like dealing with women, never listen to what they say watch what they do.
    At the very beginning when I joined the company I currently work for, there were some nice perks (but I was still unable to claim benefits that other employees were able to, reason was racism, but we can leave that aside for the moment).

    Slowly, things have changed for the worse, the company is skimping on everything. We had a Christmas party which was a joke, cheap food was ordered from a nearby cafe. In previous years, we went out and had a nice meal and drinks.

    A yearly check up at the local clinic, which costs around 600, now all the sudden the clinic is "too busy" and cannot fit me into the 2020 schedule (lol, even though there is still 8 months into the year). My gut feeling is the company told them to refuse me.

    Anyway, in previous years, I used to make a MASSIVE FUSS about everything from wages, benefits etc. To not much avail.

    Now, I keep my mouth shut and just reduce my productive capacity. If there is something which can benefit the company, I don't share the idea during brainstorming sessions. Emails which could take 10 minutes, begin taking 30 minutes, clients have to wait longer for responses, and when answers are given they are vague.

    As the company encroaches more and more into my free time, and the expectations become more and more ridiculous, I slow down my work and only do a sub-par job. You have to realise that these people are parasites robbing you of your productive capacities.

    YOUR PRODUCTIVE CAPACITY IS THE ONLY THING YOU HAVE AS A WEAPON TO YIELD AGAINST THESE CORPORATE BASTARDS.

    Depending on the situation, you will have to figure out a way to deal with things, but the one thing you do not want to do is overwhelm yourself. Your post tax and expense wages has to be enough to satisfy the every day stress you subject yourself to in the corporate world.

    And please, before any fucker starts chatting shit about 'finding a new job' in this shitty economy where you can be fired for any reason, and the stagnant wages, rising living costs, it does not work. There is too much non-sense like this on MGTOW forums, like anything is possible; it isn't.

    People who work enthusiastically for low wages are the reason why the average person is fucked.
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    Re: Is Slacking at Work Morally Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by stanmsl View Post
    https://www.goingyourownway.com/mgtow-ghosts/skiving-empty-labor-11183-post125342/#post125342

    I live a low cost life style and have refused promotion at work despite being in the same job 10 years it's 10% more money for 100% more stress and hassle......No thanks
    That is what it is all about. You have to ask your self if X amount of money is worth Y amount of more responsibility. Most of the time, I don't think it is. With the amount of inflation that is occurring, I'm beginning to wonder if even working for money is worth it.
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    Re: Is Slacking at Work Morally Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post

    A yearly check up at the local clinic, which costs around 600, now all the sudden the clinic is "too busy" and cannot fit me into the 2020 schedule (lol, even though there is still 8 months into the year). My gut feeling is the company told them to refuse me.


    Socialized medical is a horrible.


    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post
    Anyway, in previous years, I used to make a MASSIVE FUSS about everything from wages, benefits etc. To not much avail.

    Now, I keep my mouth shut and just reduce my productive capacity. If there is something which can benefit the company, I don't share the idea during brainstorming sessions. Emails which could take 10 minutes, begin taking 30 minutes, clients have to wait longer for responses, and when answers are given they are vague.


    I understand that. I actually have gone above and beyond on numerous projects and what that'll get you is more work without any benefit. When you try to look out for the company's best interests, you involuntarily become sucked into problems you don't want to be a part of. Now if you can ghost at work and not be on the radar, it can work out well for you.


    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post
    As the company encroaches more and more into my free time, and the expectations become more and more ridiculous, I slow down my work and only do a sub-par job. You have to realise that these people are parasites robbing you of your productive capacities.

    You have to work in accordance with how much you are being compensated. If the boss is piling on more and more work but there is no additional compensation, one thing you can do to counter-balance this is make the work take longer. That's the one thing you can control and that's your tempo.

    YOUR PRODUCTIVE CAPACITY IS THE ONLY THING YOU HAVE AS A WEAPON TO YIELD AGAINST THESE CORPORATE BASTARDS.

    Depending on the situation, you will have to figure out a way to deal with things, but the one thing you do not want to do is overwhelm yourself. Your post tax and expense wages has to be enough to satisfy the every day stress you subject yourself to in the corporate world.

    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post
    And please, before any fucker starts chatting shit about 'finding a new job' in this shitty economy where you can be fired for any reason, and the stagnant wages, rising living costs, it does not work. There is too much non-sense like this on MGTOW forums, like anything is possible; it isn't.

    People who work enthusiastically for low wages are the reason why the average person is fucked.
    I agree as it's not as easy as just picking up and leaving. You have bills to pay and just having a job can sometimes be a blessing because a decent one is rare.
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    Re: Is Slacking at Work Morally Justified?

    When you try to look out for the company's best interests, you involuntarily become sucked into problems you don't want to be a part of.
    Very true indeed.
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    Re: Is Slacking at Work Morally Justified?

    I made a comment early on in this thread....at the time I spoke my heart. As I have read the other 2 1/2 pages since then I must once again speak my heart,..... Get mad if you will!...any of you,...but you all know what I am saying is straight up and fucking true..... DO THE JOB YOU WERE HIRED TO DO... OR QUIT!! NO more Goddamn girlie whining.....do the job or leave.

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    Re: Is Slacking at Work Morally Justified?

    Lets Go our own way..,...but lets do it like MEN and the real damn Warriors ...not THOT queens...

    Okay...fuck all I will return to my small corner over here..... Y'all have at it..

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    Re: Is Slacking at Work Morally Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoppes#9 View Post
    I made a comment early on in this thread....at the time I spoke my heart. As I have read the other 2 1/2 pages since then I must once again speak my heart,..... Get mad if you will!...any of you,...but you all know what I am saying is straight up and fucking true..... DO THE JOB YOU WERE HIRED TO DO... OR QUIT!! NO more Goddamn girlie whining.....do the job or leave.
    What job?

    I quit working where there's bosses sometime back in the 80's, turns out I'm better at bossing myself around than they are, and I pay myself better too!
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    Re: Is Slacking at Work Morally Justified?

    I did not mean to be so dang crass with my comment...I am old school. And in our day and time we either suck it up or go home.... old sayings like If ya can't hack it grab yer dayum jacket.....

    Hmmm I know it is a different time nowadays....but still,...either a man is a man or he is a fooking simp.....nuff said.

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    Re: Is Slacking at Work Morally Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    What job?

    I quit working where there's bosses sometime back in the 80's, turns out I'm better at bossing myself around than they are, and I pay myself better too!
    Thats the best company to work for and the best boss to work under !!!

    That is the reason, I always accept contract work (for writing software), and that too indirectly through a friend. Yes, I get a little less money than usual, but I am exempted from any communication with the clients, and I get paid for the work done, not hourly/monthly/daily thing.
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    Re: Is Slacking at Work Morally Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoppes#9 View Post
    Lets Go our own way..,...but lets do it like MEN and the real damn Warriors ...not THOT queens...

    Okay...fuck all I will return to my small corner over here..... Y'all have at it..
    There were many occasions where I was not really liking my work. But I was never "stuck" into any of those, I finished the contract the best I could and then moved on. And I have good enough inherited wealth, which can last a long time given my relatively frugal lifestyle. This is why I cannot speak for people who HAVE to work for one reason or another, but I think they are already being warriors.

    Warrior doesnt mean you pick a giant axe and run upto the enemy's face. You often wont be able to in any modern warfare. The people here who are arguing for doing less work, are doing a smarter, more viable kind of warfare. They found themselves stuck in a swamp and surrounded. The first priority is to get out alive and in one piece. Which is why its necessary to build up some alternative, which then requires time and energy away from the original work. And hence the need for sabotage (if I can use this term).

    You can argue that they shouldnt have been in that position in the first place. Yes its possible if they were smarter, or more well informed about the society or their future. But, the same can be said about marriage. Sometimes you need arse whooping by the nature itself to realize that you have fucked up and the mess needs fixing. Bad job or bad marriage, is that spanking, done by the god himself.
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    Re: Is Slacking at Work Morally Justified?

    Well see there is NO easy 1 size fits all answer to this question.

    In an Office environment a person may be able to slack off a bit and be able to get away with it. In a production or assembly line type of job ..probably not.

    When I came out of Service I went into an apprenticeship program in the Electrical industry. What I did for a career was Heavy Industrial construction/High Voltage. If a man slacks there all his team mates or coworkers must pick up his slack....That man is given a choice...immediately straighten up or get run off...It's not tolerated. However the same man with same credentials working in a factory setting doing facility maintenance may indeed be able to set the tone and slack off a bit..

    So you see...there is really NO correct answer other than what your own conscience tells you..

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    Re: Is Slacking at Work Morally Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoppes#9 View Post
    Well see there is NO easy 1 size fits all answer to this question.

    In an Office environment a person may be able to slack off a bit and be able to get away with it. In a production or assembly line type of job ..probably not.

    When I came out of Service I went into an apprenticeship program in the Electrical industry. What I did for a career was Heavy Industrial construction/High Voltage. If a man slacks there all his team mates or coworkers must pick up his slack....That man is given a choice...immediately straighten up or get run off...It's not tolerated. However the same man with same credentials working in a factory setting doing facility maintenance may indeed be able to set the tone and slack off a bit..

    So you see...there is really NO correct answer other than what your own conscience tells you..
    Yes it depends on where you work at. I've worked in blue-collar and white collar work so I've seen both sides. Most white collar work is more nebulous as to what a productive employee is. As for blue collar work, you will get found out very quickly if you are slacking. I would say that you'd have to feel it out.
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    Re: Is Slacking at Work Morally Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by rkspsm View Post
    Warrior doesnt mean you pick a giant axe and run upto the enemy's face. You often wont be able to in any modern warfare. The people here who are arguing for doing less work, are doing a smarter, more viable kind of warfare. They found themselves stuck in a swamp and surrounded. The first priority is to get out alive and in one piece.
    The one who does all the work gets the most shit in most bloated companies. The smart ones are the people who will seem enthusiastic to accept work when put on the spot but then will shirk their duties behind the scenes. It is essentially "ghosting in plain sight" for bloated, welfare jobs. There are some of the "go-getters" who are motivated and they are the uninitiated. They assume the bulk of the workload and they see themselves as good employees. Those who are initiated in scamming the system love these good employees and have no qualms in letting them do all the tasks.
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    Re: Is Slacking at Work Morally Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoppes#9 View Post
    I did not mean to be so dang crass with my comment...I am old school. And in our day and time we either suck it up or go home.... old sayings like If ya can't hack it grab yer dayum jacket.....

    Hmmm I know it is a different time nowadays....but still,...either a man is a man or he is a fooking simp.....nuff said.
    See I mean this with all due respect brother Hoppes#9. But I must say that this comes across as the "man up" argument to me. Yes there is nobility in an honest days work but I don't see it when the mandatory taxation to this extent is being used to finance the very things I despise.

    I just don't see it as a good deal and again I don't mean to be contentious.
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    Re: Is Slacking at Work Morally Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoppes#9 View Post
    Lets Go our own way..,...but lets do it like MEN and the real damn Warriors ...not THOT queens...

    Okay...fuck all I will return to my small corner over here..... Y'all have at it..
    I actually like the fact that the men posting on this thread and site can have varying degrees on opinions but still have a pleasant discourse. A lot of that is lost now and discussions like this is a breath of fresh air.
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