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    A question about politics.

    I hope this doesn’t break any forum rules but I do have a genuine dilemma and could use some advice.

    This isn’t about political leanings, I know my own mind and have my own views in that respect, it’s about voting in general.

    Here in Ireland we have a general election looming and I have a quandary.

    I am considering spoiling my vote on the grounds that everybody standing for election seems to be blue pill to the core; how can I in good conscience give any of them my support? The fact that I am asking this question of myself shouldn’t be confused with laziness, I will go to the polling station and I will cast my vote such that it may be. I see deliberately spoiling a vote as a valid form of protest – but…

    Votes are spoiled for many reasons including people not knowing what they are doing and because of this spoiled votes tend to be ignored instead of the protest they may be, so am I really making a meaningful protest?

    I also feel that it is my duty to vote for the person / party that seemingly BEST represents my views r.e. socialism / capitalism etc., but is closest good enough? At the moment I believe the answer to be a resounding no!

    So having explained this (I hope) I have 2 questions:

    1. Do you believe spoiling a vote to be a valid protest, if not why not?

    2. In many places voting is now electronic. Not here, we still have paper ballots so spoiling a vote is an option, but if you are voting electronically do you have an option of selecting “none of the above”?


    I recall an episode of South Park where one of the kid’s fathers explains to his son that voting is always a choice between a douche and a shit sandwich, but that implies that you have to make a choice between two things neither of which you want – WHY? Why should we give our support to those whose views do not represent our own?
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    Re: A question about politics.

    We have electronic voting here in India, and there is an option "None of the Above". Our constitution says that if too many people vote that option, then all candidates from that region are barred from entering politics for some duration. Sounds very sweet in theory, but even a purple pilled will smell bs in this. And yes, there is a lot of bs. The none of the above option is either ignored, or is simply distributed among other options using some criteria. In the end it doesnt matter. Its not really a protest.

    The only protest, IMHO, is the kind which only the citizens of US can. The kind of protest which involves their 2nd Amendment rights. Citizens of other nations are just glorified cattle. A cattle is not allowed to protest. This whole election and voting thing, I believe, exists only so we can feel that we have some power. Oh that fuzzy feeling of going out and getting in a large queue to assert TEH DUH!-MOCRACY, feeling as one with the people.. RAWR !!! /sarc

    So, in my opinion, the best protest is the same way we protest gynocentrism, and that is by not participating, not playing the game at all. I dont go to vote, I prefer saving my time and energy for doing things which are productive for me.
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    Re: A question about politics.

    I don't participate in that worthless ritual, it's criminal activity with malicious intent and reckless endangerment, from where I stand!

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    Re: A question about politics.

    If all the choices suck, they suck. I see no sin in walking away.

    My state has never had a none of the above option, paper or electronic. Too bad, I like the idea. However, write in votes are always ok. They never get enough votes, but it's legal.

    Electronic votes here start with a mail in card where you black out your choice, so it's not really electronic till they load the cards into the computer. So write in's start by printing your choices name on the mail in card.
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    Re: A question about politics.

    Jackoff, what exactly does the phrase "spoiling a vote" mean? Or can you say it differently? I'm not following you, sorry.
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    Re: A question about politics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    Do you believe spoiling a vote to be a valid protest, if not why not?
    Does x% of people spoiled their ballot paper really influence anything more that y% of people couldn't be bothered to go out and vote I very much doubt it.....

    On both sides of the political spectrum there are ideas I agree with and ideas that I think are crazy, I can't vote for individual ideas just a party as a whole.

    Our (UK) first past the post voting system means unless you vote for the winning candidate in an individual constituency your vote is effectively wasted anyway.

    There is no legal obligation of a party or politician to honor what they promised during an election campaign. Your stuck with them for several years until the next election.

    Peoples (emotional) reaction to this is "but our ancestors fought and died for the right to vote"...…..probably true but still doesn't change the fact voting is mostly a total waste of time.

    You effectively vote every day with your life choices and where you spend your money.....

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    Re: A question about politics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unboxxed View Post
    Jackoff, what exactly does the phrase "spoiling a vote" mean? Or can you say it differently? I'm not following you, sorry.
    With paper ballots you are required to make your mark in the appropriate box. In the U.K. you usually have a first past the post system so you mark an "X" next to the candidate you want. Here in Ireland we have a proportional representation system where you number the candidates in order of preference.

    To spoil a vote all you have have to do is fill in the ballot paper incorrectly, it is then discounted and considered a "spoiled vote".

    The difference between this and not turning up at all is that no-one can steal your vote pretending to be you (personation) and cast a vote in your name.
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    Re: A question about politics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    The difference between this and not turning up at all is that no-one can steal your vote pretending to be you (personation) and cast a vote in your name.
    The electronic voting system is still quite recent in India. When we had paper ballot, the rule was, theoretically, that a candidate can request a special form instead of voting, which means that you are voting that no candidate it suitable.

    Practically though, no voting booth ever had those, and if you went there asking for them, you would've got something along the lines of :

    "Ohh a wise ass !!! Move the fk on dude, dont waste time .... pfft.."

    The news media sometimes actually reported this, but nothing ever actually happened, it just sort of died out.
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    Re: A question about politics.

    We have instant run-off voting in Australia, thank-you Jesus, and so you can vote for a protest candidate without spoiling your vote. Even better, if enough of the electorate votes for a protest candidate, you can bet your ass that the politicians will take notice in a way that they never notice protests or letter-writing. It's why the green bloc has so much power here.

    Me, in my old age I have adopted a simple rule: never vote for a woman. This rule nicely clears the field and simplifies matters.

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    Re: A question about politics.

    Thanks, Jackoff, for the explanation. I'll now venture a reply to your question #1 only, as we are still on paper ballots where I live:

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    1. Do you believe spoiling a vote to be a valid protest, if not why not?
    1. Depends. Does your government recognize what you and others are doing? Where I live, in the newspaper they make only parenthetical comment about the number of invalid (spoiled) ballots, if they ever mention it. And it's only coming from the Elections group, and only around election time, and only if they are answering some other question(s) that makes them bring it up. So, it seems to not land on them as a political issue, per se, but more of an educational issue. Or they pretend that way, keep reading...

    Our ballots have a space for write-in candidates and they do make comment about those who write-in names of people who are not running, or who are fictional, or who write themselves in without having registered to run, as I have done before. They view this as frivolous, wasting money, and they make no other claim as interpreting it as meaningful protest but just as a hassle for them in the serious processing of such ballots. Of course, our local government is like that, if they can get away with it they will pretend nothing is being said to them. It's easier that way for them and the next paydays keep coming, don't they know.

    Perhaps that is why some citizens advocate for an actual "None of the Above" choice on their ballots, to make it harder for government to dodge seeing what is being said to them with some ballots.
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    Re: A question about politics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wombat View Post
    Me, in my old age I have adopted a simple rule: never vote for a woman. This rule nicely clears the field and simplifies matters.
    The dude who is currently the elected head of where I live (Delhi), is about to enter re-election. So in order to sweeten the deal for public, he waived all the cost for women for using metro services (equivalent to public tram). So they travel around for free.
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    Re: A question about politics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unboxxed View Post
    Depends. Does your government recognize what you and others are doing?
    Probably not. As the number of spoiled / invalid votes is rarely close to the number required to have any bearing on the outcome I doubt they give it a second’s thought and if they do, as you say they probably consider it an education problem. While this makes my little protest insignificant I don’t believe it invalidates the intent. If all those that stayed at home for similar reasons were to spoil their vote instead then the politicians and the media would have to sit up and take notice, though they would obviously come up with a series of reasons none of which reflect badly on them.

    There are those however that would argue it makes more sense to employ tactical voting, i.e. vote against the person / party you like least – even if you don’t like the person / party you have to vote for – in an attempt to prevent what to you would be the worst case scenario.

    Personally I like the notion of tactical voting even less than employing a “best fit” policy as it makes it more difficult for smaller parties and independents even if they have policies that better represent your views.
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    Re: A question about politics.

    Quote Originally Posted by rkspsm View Post
    The dude who is currently the elected head of where I live (Delhi), is about to enter re-election. So in order to sweeten the deal for public, he waived all the cost for women for using metro services (equivalent to public tram). So they travel around for free.
    That is the most obviously gynocentric policy I've heard about in a while. How does he justify free travel for women and not men?
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    Re: A question about politics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    That is the most obviously gynocentric policy I've heard about in a while. How does he justify free travel for women and not men?
    There is no need to justify anything, policies like that are common here !!
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    Re: A question about politics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    That is the most obviously gynocentric policy I've heard about in a while. How does he justify free travel for women and not men?
    I can answer that one easily, using the isolated girly-mind I created in my head at an undisclosed location (for tactical advantage).

    Imagine if there were work-bots all around us that aren't aware of how we think? You could tell them to kill themselves, and they'd do it, but you're smarter than that! You learn how, and decide with a little common sense, that they're useful as servants, and servants that can do almost anything! They can build roads, repair anything, give you tokens to other work-bot services, in one second flat they can get other work-bots to pull your car from a ditch, shovel a path in a blizzard, you name it, they'll willingly do it! Who wouldn't use them to do everything? Trust me, you can get a work-bot, blow it up, laugh silly, and get another in a matter of days! Sometimes only minuites, a phone call away! Hell, I have 7 lined up that started doing things for me all on their own! Aren't these smart phones great?!?! Look around you, work-bots everywhere, and they'll betray one another to leap at the chance to be YOUR servant! just listen to your sisters! They'll tell you how to handle them! After all, we're all in this together! I don't know about you girls, but i#@5%^^& //////////////><girly-mind ON/OFF Y/N?...Y!<girly_mind<off> Restart Y/N? Y!<restart>

    Anyway, I recommend a compartmental girly mind so you can handle any gender based negative social situation before it gets off the ground! A man's isolated, compartmentalized, girly-mind is our ONLY WEAPON! Physical offensive measures are severely restricted for us and fully enabled for them! They can drag you into a physical confrontation that leads to your capture and mental torture in their penal system! Say one word shaded and off, next thing you know your in handcuffs being charged with her assault on you because she says different, she lied as she's been trained to lie by using the powers of persuasion and manipulation since age 5. A very DANGEROUS creature, AVOID AT ALL COST!

    Carry on, gentlemen...

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    Re: A question about politics.

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    ...work-bots all around us that aren't aware of how we think...
    What about those silly bots who are somewhat aware and chatting away in a secluded forum, and not doing the work they are "supposed" to be doing for the "sisters" ?
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    Re: A question about politics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    Personally I like the notion of tactical voting even less than employing a “best fit” policy as it makes it more difficult for smaller parties and independents even if they have policies that better represent your views.
    That was my struggle in our presidential election of 2016. Do I vote pragmatically or do I vote my conscience? I ended up voting my conscience, voting third-party, and told myself that if more people chose who they want instead of who they don't want, I could feel better about elections. But then we might have had Hillary.

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    I can answer that one easily, using the isolated girly-mind I created in my head at an undisclosed location (for tactical advantage).
    I'm overdue to tell you that a number of things you say make me laugh out loud! Gotta love it.
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    Re: A question about politics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unboxxed View Post
    That was my struggle in our presidential election of 2016. Do I vote pragmatically or do I vote my conscience? I ended up voting my conscience, voting third-party, and told myself that if more people chose who they want instead of who they don't want, I could feel better about elections. But then we might have had Hillary.



    I'm overdue to tell you that a number of things you say make me laugh out loud! Gotta love it.
    You know it's true, admit it, every battle hardened SOB I know of has devoted a significant part of his brain to girly tactics recon, evasion, and counter manipulation.

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    Re: A question about politics.

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    You know it's true, admit it
    I think laughter is often a signal of recognition. But, I admit to nothing!
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    Re: A question about politics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unboxxed View Post
    I think laughter is often a signal of recognition. But, I admit to nothing!
    It's always funny until someone gets hurt, after that, it's HILARIOUS!


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