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    When Are the People Ready for COVID to End?

    I'll say this again and again. The COVID-scam will end when the people have had enough. I'm curious just for the sake of discussion (and because I can't discuss this at work) what people think will be "the line" will be. What I mean by "the-line" is, how many freedoms are the people going to part with before they say "we're not doing that"?

    There are some places asking for "travel papers" to travel freely. Is that the line for some people? Is mandatory masks when just being out in public all day, every day the line?

    This is just a topic that's been on my mind lately. I've talked about this at work (I probably shouldn't have) and I get looked at sideways.
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    Re: When Are the People Ready for COVID to End?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonobo Protocol View Post
    how many freedoms are the people going to part with before they say "we're not doing that"?
    There's a good proverb that comes to mind when considering when "enough's enough", whenever the powers that be, become ruthless and draconian, one may consider the consequences of disobedience before stepping out of line, the more draconian, the better the chance you'll be imprisoned and or executed, in some instances you'll be hunted down and murdered for your opposing doctrine.

    That proverb? When in Rome, do as the Romans!

    Tactical evasion to misery sometimes mandates compliance.

    Do like the Russians did to the Germans, draw them deeper and deeper into an arctic wasteland, stretch their supply lines, and wait them out as mother nature devours them.

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    Re: When Are the People Ready for COVID to End?

    It's funny but more sad that most Americans are just begging for their freedoms to be taken away. The framework for control is being put into place in the name of security and the fearmongering is forcing compliance. When I walk out in public and I hear political buzzwords such as "social distancing", it just shows me how much of a drone most Americans are.
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    Re: When Are the People Ready for COVID to End?

    Bonobo, I think the answer we seem to be coalescing on, at least in the USA where I am, is there will be nominal return of freedom after next year's inaguration. I hate to say that, and am not making a political statement one way or the next, but the thing has clearly been divided on political lines and that's fairly obvious and unavoidable. Many of the mayors/governors are openly stating that their full reopening and lifting of restrictions, availability of vaccine, etc will coincide with early 2021. Gates Fauci and all others seem to accept that now. Whether that works for their objectives re getting power remains to be seen. Everything that has been reported has been hypocritical and self contradictory from day 1 and anyone with even basic intelligence can see that.

    The bigger question I have is how will people respond to the "return" of some parts of their freedom? It seems some people who are completely sheep will just take it in stride, think of it as 'cool' they lived through the pandemic of 2020 and not even think twice about how the government made life altering decisions about their fundamental freedoms, in contradiction to all the foundations of so called western democracy. I dont know if thatll be a majority or a minority, or if they'll thought police and cancel any dissenters.

    To me, the people the measures supposedly saved were supposedly at risk due to age/genetic disease or their own poor health choices. Many already had poor quality of life or not long to live, frankly. The people whose lives the measures have crushed were mostly young and will live with the consequences for decades. No one even allowed a healthy debate of the trade offs. Not to mention the fundamental fact that the government now has a huge precedent to dictating freedom. I agree with you on the drone point; it is almost as though we are hell bent on seeing how bad things can get before people with common sense and respect stand up. I am not optimistic of where we are headed, as you might imagine.

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    Re: When Are the People Ready for COVID to End?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonobo Protocol View Post
    It's funny but more sad that most Americans are just begging for their freedoms to be taken away. The framework for control is being put into place in the name of security and the fearmongering is forcing compliance. When I walk out in public and I hear political buzzwords such as "social distancing", it just shows me how much of a drone most Americans are.
    Yes, some are drones, but others like myself, pick and choose compliance to whatever leads to the most self serving ends, in the legal world I'm what you'd call a law abiding chameleon covered in snake oil!
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    Re: When Are the People Ready for COVID to End?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBrownRecluse View Post
    Bonobo, I think the answer we seem to be coalescing on, at least in the USA where I am, is there will be nominal return of freedom after next year's inaguration. I hate to say that, and am not making a political statement one way or the next, but the thing has clearly been divided on political lines and that's fairly obvious and unavoidable. Many of the mayors/governors are openly stating that their full reopening and lifting of restrictions, availability of vaccine, etc will coincide with early 2021. Gates Fauci and all others seem to accept that now. Whether that works for their objectives re getting power remains to be seen. Everything that has been reported has been hypocritical and self contradictory from day 1 and anyone with even basic intelligence can see that.

    I've been arguing till I'm blue in the face that this "pandemic" is strictly political. A certain political party wants to keep the government shut down for political reasons. If this certain political party wins this election, watch how quickly this pandemic is forgotten. Also, this is a product of there being no real problems for us in this country. We have to manufacture said problems where there isn't any.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBrownRecluse View Post
    The bigger question I have is how will people respond to the "return" of some parts of their freedom? It seems some people who are completely sheep will just take it in stride, think of it as 'cool' they lived through the pandemic of 2020 and not even think twice about how the government made life altering decisions about their fundamental freedoms, in contradiction to all the foundations of so called western democracy. I dont know if thatll be a majority or a minority, or if they'll thought police and cancel any dissenters.

    I don't think people know what the word "pandemic" means. Show me the dead bodies in the streets to make this qualify as a pandemic.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBrownRecluse View Post
    To me, the people the measures supposedly saved were supposedly at risk due to age/genetic disease or their own poor health choices. Many already had poor quality of life or not long to live, frankly. The people whose lives the measures have crushed were mostly young and will live with the consequences for decades. No one even allowed a healthy debate of the trade offs. Not to mention the fundamental fact that the government now has a huge precedent to dictating freedom. I agree with you on the drone point; it is almost as though we are hell bent on seeing how bad things can get before people with common sense and respect stand up. I am not optimistic of where we are headed, as you might imagine.
    The bottom line is this is a manufactured "crisis" for political groups to try and seize more power.
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    Re: When Are the People Ready for COVID to End?

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    Yes, some are drones, but others like myself, pick and choose compliance to whatever leads to the most self serving ends, in the legal world I'm what you'd call a law abiding chameleon covered in snake oil!
    Yeah I'll comply with wearing a mask for my job but that's only because I'm not independently wealthy. Once I'm off the clock, I will not be dictated to wearing a mask.
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    Re: When Are the People Ready for COVID to End?

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    There's a good proverb... When in Rome, do as the Romans!
    Indeed, and when in Clown World, do as Honkler does!
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    Re: When Are the People Ready for COVID to End?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Willers View Post
    Indeed, and when in Clown World, do as Honkler does!
    I guess this makes me the Bozo of stealth here in clown world!

    Wanna honk my nose? It has dual reeds and sounds like a 67 Pontiac Bonneville.
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    Re: When Are the People Ready for COVID to End?

    So now Walmart (a store most everyone frequents in the USA) is now making face masks a requirement. Will this be the line for some people? No? Well the beatings will continue until moral improves.
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    Re: When Are the People Ready for COVID to End?

    I have also spoken about this both at work and amongst friends and everyone agrees when I say it’s all pretty pointless, all they are doing by making us jump through hoops is delaying the inevitable. No-one likes it, no-one agrees with social distancing and wearing masks all the time, many point out the dangers of breathing in your own expelled air.

    But that’s when I bring the topic up. There’s a duality going on due to the fearmongering. I’ve also heard many of these same people complain that people weren’t wearing masks or were having house parties and they should be punished.

    People are confused. They want to believe the advice they are being given. They don’t understand just what governments and politicians are really capable of:

    The Tuskegee Experiment


    As for Walmart and a few others enforcing the wearing of masks, here in Ireland they’re about to make it nationwide:

    Face coverings in all shops will become mandatory
    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/...e-1011453.html

    And following on from the above link, they are fucking over the pub landlords big time:

    Varadkar, who is also Minister for Enterprise, warned that pubs, nightclubs and other venues will open “no sooner than August 10th. We are not saying they will open on August 10th”.
    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/...r-1011499.html

    They were due to open this Monday coming (20/July) and pubs have been re-stocking, now they're going to have to send it all back again.


    Maybe this will be the breaking point, when people realise that the powers that be never intend it to end. Yes, maybe the Covid excuse will disappear, but it will be replaced another much scarier and more sinister one.
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    Re: When Are the People Ready for COVID to End?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    I have also spoken about this both at work and amongst friends and everyone agrees when I say it’s all pretty pointless, all they are doing by making us jump through hoops is delaying the inevitable. No-one likes it, no-one agrees with social distancing and wearing masks all the time, many point out the dangers of breathing in your own expelled air.

    I'm sick of these faceless talking heads in the media that say, "studies show" masks help the spread. Really? What studies? Point out an actual peer reviewed study that doesn't have some sort of political bias.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    But that’s when I bring the topic up. There’s a duality going on due to the fearmongering. I’ve also heard many of these same people complain that people weren’t wearing masks or were having house parties and they should be punished.

    Those people that are complaining that others aren't wearing masks need to mind their own business. There's been some people that have lost their lives on telling others to wear a mask. I hope it was worth it to them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    People are confused. They want to believe the advice they are being given. They don’t understand just what governments and politicians are really capable of:

    The Tuskegee Experiment

    I'm sad to say that most people are sheep these days and want to government to decide what's best for them.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    As for Walmart and a few others enforcing the wearing of masks, here in Ireland they’re about to make it nationwide:

    I'm sorry to hear that's happening in Ireland. I know he was Scottish but you guys need another William Wallace.

    And following on from the above link, they are fucking over the pub landlords big time:

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/...r-1011499.html

    They were due to open this Monday coming (20/July) and pubs have been re-stocking, now they're going to have to send it all back again.


    Maybe this will be the breaking point, when people realise that the powers that be never intend it to end. Yes, maybe the Covid excuse will disappear, but it will be replaced another much scarier and more sinister one.[/QUOTE]

    As the thread's namesake implies. This will all end when the people have had enough. It's only continuing because the people haven't felt enough pain to do something about it. This "pandemic" is completely manufactured and self-imposed. I'm just curious as to when the people are ready to end it. Maybe when an actual crisis ensues?
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