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    Today’s news media is missing the point!

    A few days ago I heard a news report. It gave early details of an incident where a homeless guy was sleeping in a tent. The tent was basically bulldozed with the guy inside. Needless to say the guy suffered serious injuries but thankfully survived, so far.

    So I tried to find out what actually happened through the media. Here’s what I found:

    No real detail about what transpired – why wasn’t the tent checked out first and how could this have happened, but a lot of political views.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-38863867.html

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/...nt-975567.html

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/...ry-975637.html

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...1NM?li=AAnZ9Ug


    When political comment becomes more important than the details of what is actually happening something has gone seriously wrong.
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    Re: Today’s news media is missing the point!

    Fuck that! If I become homeless I'm sleeping in an old Cadillac!

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    Re: Today’s news media is missing the point!

    Last summer a tractor mowing grass along the highway killed a homeless guy sleeping in the weeds. Strange part is, it was miles from town in the middle of the day. The driver wasn't blamed, the grass was three feet tall and the poor guy couldn't be seen. Why he was sleeping in the middle of nowhere, or didn't hear the mower, nobody knows.

    Our news didn't grind any ax's, in fact the whole thing went away quick. I don't know why our news was so noble, they seldom miss a chance to stir the shit.
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    Re: Today’s news media is missing the point!

    For over twenty years neither the neighboring city, their cops, or the news weenies would admit there was a homeless problem. They'd panhandle during the day, then the cops would chase them to the outskirts of town at night. I used to find remains of their camps all the time.

    Then the city in it's infinite wisdom, outlawed panhandling. Since they can no longer beg, they steal. Worse yet, there's far more than there ever were before. So many the jail don't have enough room for half of them, and everybody knows it. So they no longer leave town at night. Some camp down by the river. Others just squat on someone's place who's not home. It still wouldn't be news if they weren't infringing on the rights of the middle class.

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    Re: Today’s news media is missing the point!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    When political comment becomes more important than the details of what is actually happening something has gone seriously wrong.
    I disagree. The fact that a dude was seriously hurt is not as important as the fact that there are thousands of dudes similarly in danger and that it's mostly caused by bad government. I mean - starting up a gofundme for this one particular guy won't accomplish that much (except for this one particular guy). What the town needs is a gofundme for all of the homeless people, to give them basic shelter. Problem is that that would attract more homeless than this town should handle, so it needs to be national. A national gofundme for a entire class of people is what a welfare system is.

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    Re: Today’s news media is missing the point!

    I would have liked a bit more info on what actually happened like:

    What age is the guy?
    What were the specific injuries? All they say is that they were serious.
    How many tents were there and why was “industrial machinery” needed?
    Some explanation as to how he was missed or if any check was made at all. Are there set rules as to how checks should be made?
    Some background as to how this decision was made; is this national policy, council policy or did someone else make the decision?

    Instead what I got was political doublespeak decrying the homeless situation in general while doing little to nothing to improve things.

    And then there’s this gem:

    Taoiseach Leo Varadkar has said the homeless man was offered accommodation in the past.
    So it was his fault he got bulldozed like a piece of trash.

    @Frog

    What's it's like being homeless in Ireland?
    I couldn’t really say never having been homeless like that (I had a few spells where I crashed with friends and family) but I’d say it’s just as bad as anywhere else. As to the extent of the problem it’s pretty bad and getting worse. Walking through any city centre you’ll see these unfortunate people almost everywhere and when it rains, which it usually does here you often see them trying to take shelter under sodden blankets.

    @Mr.Wombat

    A national gofundme for a entire class of people is what a welfare system is.
    We have a very generous welfare system here. The problem seems to be more to do with the fact that building regulations have made it almost impossible for builders to provide the required housing where it’s needed and at reasonable cost.
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    Re: Today’s news media is missing the point!

    You have to realize, MEN ARE TRASH! If that were a (you know) it would be a national tragedy with a day of morning with every able institution of government leaping at the chance to aid and assist (you know) in every way possible!

    I can't think of a more atrocious thing than machining grappling a man from slumber! That's gynocentrism, and it's gynocentrism that likely made his only home a tent! WE'RE EXPENDABLE and nobody sees it otherwise!

    This is just one of the reasons I tuned out of gynocentrism's views of urgency and complicity (the news). We live in different worlds at opposite ends of the universe.

    I've learned to praise and adore (you know who) with the same praise and adornment society has for men. It's just my way of achieving a smidgen of EQUALITY based in facts and REALITY.

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    Re: Today’s news media is missing the point!

    The homeless have always been with us. But there's way too many now, and it looks like a lot will never have a home again. Being homeless has become a thing. A dreadful one to be sure, but a lot a guys seem to consider it normal. I don't think it been like this since the great depression.
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    Re: Today’s news media is missing the point!

    Quote Originally Posted by frog View Post
    The homeless have always been with us. But there's way too many now, and it looks like a lot will never have a home again. Being homeless has become a thing. A dreadful one to be sure, but a lot a guys seem to consider it normal. I don't think it been like this since the great depression.
    I’ve often thought much the same with regards it becoming normalised and accepted and I wonder sometimes if at least in some way many become frustrated and see it as a way of rejecting and escaping the ever increasing rules of an overreaching state and societal control.


    Here’s what one of Irelands leading homeless charities has to say on the subject. Bear in mind these figures are out of a total population of approx. 4.8 million, smaller than many cities. Also note the categories that are not included in the official figures, the true figure would be MUCH higher.

    https://www.focusireland.ie/resource...-homelessness/

    How many people are homeless?

    There were 10,448 people homeless in the week of November 18 – 24 2019 across Ireland. This figure includes adults and children. The number of homeless families has increased by over 300% since November 2014. More than one in three people in emergency accommodation is a child. However, this number does not include ‘hidden homelessness’ which refers to people who are living in squats or ‘sofa surfing’ with friends. Furthermore, women and children staying in domestic violence refuges are not included in these homeless emergency accommodation counts. The national figure also does not include people who are sleeping rough.

    ...

    Why are so many families losing their homes?

    The causes of homelessness are always complex. Broadly speaking, homelessness can be caused by ‘structural factors’ (like lack of affordable housing, unemployment, poverty, inadequate mental health services, etc) or ‘personal factors’ (like addictions, mental health issues, family breakdown etc). The current rise in family homelessness is driven primarily by structural economic factors.
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    Re: Today’s news media is missing the point!

    It's all men here. Mostly young, with some middle age guys. I maybe see a homeless women once every year or two. If that.


    My guess is women get welfare, specially if they got kids. Welfare for guys? Don't make me laugh.
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    Re: Today’s news media is missing the point!

    Men are mostly what I see too. Men are entitled to welfare here with the same rates and conditions as the women but women, especially those with kids, get priority on council housing lists. And because council rents are MUCH cheaper than commercial rental costs and tenure is much more secure, I've even known them to pretend that they are homeless while living with parents / partners in order to jump the queue, in fact I believe this to be not exactly uncommon - I'm sure that won't surprise anyone on this site.
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