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    There have been a few posts recently where members have stated their disdain for modern medicine, whether that be psychology, psychiatry or just pill-pushing by G.P.s. (or any other form for that matter)

    Fair enough, I’m not exactly enamoured with it myself, but compared to the alternatives all I can do is repeat the words of a U.K. comedian (I think it was Jimmy Carr but am unsure). Note this is not a direct quote – I’m working from my frazzled memory:

    I’m not sure about the benefits of alternative medicine. All I know is if I get in to a car crash I want to hear sirens not the sound of wind-chimes!
    Anyway I came across this and thought you might enjoy. I'm not sure if I posted one of these before, I know I intended to but maybe I got distracted. These are actual records from the City of London and their primary goal seems to be with regards tracking deaths from the plague. Whilst they were posted weekly this one seems to span a whole year (Dec. 1742 – Dec. 1743):



    A few of my favourites: 21 died from “Evil”, 5 from “Itch”, 7 from “Lethargy” and, apparently 75 died as the result of being a “Lunatic”.

    But the award has to go to: 75 died from being “Overlaid”.

    So, it would seem even then they knew the dangers of sex!

    There are many more available simply by doing a Google search for “Bills of Mortality” and selecting “Images”:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=bill...w=1071&bih=512
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    "Choked with fat", deaths only 1?

    These days it's pandemic! Modern woman weigh 189.437% more than 1740's chicks! They'll rob 80 to 100 horse power from anything you drive, and that can be problematic for anything under 100 hp. They've been know crack hulls on speed boats that can spare 100 hp.
    It's almost over...

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    I got many practicing doctors in my (extended) family, which I have interacted a lot on this issue, and my opinion is pretty much same as theirs. Do not that I am writing this from a layman point of view, so there is GROSS OVERSIMPLIFICATION. Anything I write here is not a medical advice.

    And that is, that there are genuinely useful drugs. Say anti-biotics or nutrition supplements etc. They can be useful if they are taken based on the problem at hand. If you are deficient in vitamin D, the vitamin D supplements can help.

    But you shouldnt overdo them. And this especially goes to anti-biotics. If you take too much of them, they become ineffective over time. So do consult with a good and honest doctor (if you can find one) if you are not sure. And even if you are sure, do consult them if the drug is strong or dose is large.

    And then comes the drugs which give some form of relief from something without actually doing anything to the cause. Sometimes the cause might be unknown. I am not very comfortable with these drugs unless I really really need them. And I dont remember anything from recent memory except if I have to give an exam and have fever, in which case an anti-inflammatory worked well.

    And then comes the special purpose drugs. I cannot say anything about it because, I am no expert in this field.

    And lastly, covid vaccine. Thanks but NO THANKS !
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    Quote Originally Posted by rkspsm View Post
    But you shouldnt overdo them. And this especially goes to anti-biotics. If you take too much of them, they become ineffective over time. So do consult with a good and honest doctor (if you can find one) if you are not sure. And even if you are sure, do consult them if the drug is strong or dose is large.
    This. The body eventually seeks its own balance.

    People go to doctors for the most spurious of reasons. And these people are mostly women (an opinion but one based on observational evidence).

    They seem to see doctors as some sort of cure-all answer. Ooh, I've not been feeling my best, please give me stuff. And the doctor has to come up with something or they are harangued for being uncaring or unfeeling.

    Keep your diet varied and moderated and get a bit of exercise is what they should, and often do say. But some patients demand they get a prescription of some type. It makes them feel like they are doing something, but often it's the wrong thing.

    Most medicine is not an exact science. Yes there are some things like anti-biotics that will often clear an infection but this doesn't address the issue of what caused it in the first place. Most people are lazy and don't want to know - all they want is the cure without looking to their own habits.

    This is especially true when it comes to anti-depressants: "I'm a total cunt to everyone around me and they don't like me. This makes me sad. Please give me drugs so I don't have to deal with the reality of life!"

    That's not to say everyone suffering depression is a cunt, these drugs have their uses, but many abuse them to escape the reality of their own actions and beliefs.

    As for the Covid vaccine, I agree. Not because I'm anti-vax generally - some of them are really great, but these ones have yet to be measured for the dangers. We were assured that there'd be none, none at all, but recent evidence suggests otherwise and there's undoubtedly more evidence to come.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    People go to doctors for the most spurious of reasons.
    Yeah !! In fact, the doctors I talked with, told me that this is an aweful lot of situations. And if the doc will tell them to just rest/eat better/exercise, they will think that the doc is a fluke and will go somewhere else. So what the docs do, they will prescribe some regular nutritional supplement (low dose, not enough to cause any problems) and send them away. Atleast the good ones I talked to.

    The not-so-good ones, which I havent talked to... I have heard they will prescribe some psychotropics or painkillers, even if they are totally not needed.
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    Re: Modern Medicine?

    Have 3 close family members who wouldn't be here today with the medical science of just 2 decades ago. The medical industry is far from perfect however Big Pharma - RationalWiki.

    Most medicine is not an exact science. Yes there are some things like anti-biotics that will often clear an infection but this doesn't address the issue of what caused it in the first place. Most people are lazy and don't want to know - all they want is the cure without looking to their own habits. This is especially true when it comes to anti-depressants: "I'm a total cunt to everyone around me and they don't like me. This makes me sad. Please give me drugs so I don't have to deal with the reality of life!" That's not to say everyone suffering depression is a cunt, these drugs have their uses, but many abuse them to escape the reality of their own actions and beliefs.
    Completely agree with this, many physical aliments are caused by lifestyle so why not mental ones as well.


    As for the Covid vaccine an old friend said last week that he "doesn't want to be a human guinea pig" while simultaneously exhaling a well known cocktail of over 50 different cancer causing chemicals that kill millions of people every year. Sums up the attitude of far too many people these days.
    Men are becoming MGTOW by the millions, most without ever having heard the term. They are simply doing what all living organisms finding themselves in a toxic environment do. They adapt to it or remove themselves from it. Females are not liking either the adaptations or the removal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stanmsl View Post
    Have 3 close family members who wouldn't be here today with the medical science of just 2 decades ago. The medical industry is far from perfect however Big Pharma - RationalWiki.



    Completely agree with this, many physical aliments are caused by lifestyle so why not mental ones as well.


    As for the Covid vaccine an old friend said last week that he "doesn't want to be a human guinea pig" while simultaneously exhaling a well known cocktail of over 50 different cancer causing chemicals that kill millions of people every year. Sums up the attitude of far too many people these days.
    I hope your family members are doing well.

    I'm a smoker.

    I won't be rushing to take any of these vaccines simply because the repercussions aren't known.

    I smoke because I'm addicted and, truth be told, because I like it.

    Here's the problem. It isn't so much to do with medical science but more of people's perceptions of it.

    A few years ago now laws were changed about the advertising of smoking. Now we all now that it isn't exactly good for you (gross understatement), but the warnings on the packs:

    If you believe these then smoking tobacco is the lead cause for every ailment under the sun. Everything from athlete's foot to impotency to every type of cancer, and everything else for that matter.

    This is part of the problem.

    Those that are against smoking are using every manipulative tactic available to them. Maybe this is for the greater good, I won't dispute that point, but when people are told things that the facts don't really support, they tend to dismiss the facts that are supported because "it's all a load of manipulative bullshit!".

    It's exactly this kind of hyperbole that brings the medical establishment in to disrepute.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stanmsl View Post
    As for the Covid vaccine an old friend said last week that he "doesn't want to be a human guinea pig" while simultaneously exhaling a well known cocktail of over 50 different cancer causing chemicals that kill millions of people every year. Sums up the attitude of far too many people these days.
    Which is why I treat alcohol and nicotine and other similar stuff, same as what I do with covid vaccine. Those who want to indulge with them, they are free to do whatever they want with their bodies, thats not my business. I just simply dont want to be near them when they are affected by that, or in other words, I'd really hate if someone does it in my house. Outside that, I'll simply move away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rkspsm View Post
    Which is why I treat alcohol and nicotine and other similar stuff, same as what I do with covid vaccine. Those who want to indulge with them, they are free to do whatever they want with their bodies, thats not my business. I just simply dont want to be near them when they are affected by that, or in other words, I'd really hate if someone does it in my house. Outside that, I'll simply move away.
    I agree completely. But with regards vaccines there's another point. Many countries are talking of vaccine certificates ostensibly to facilitate travel. Fair enough as far as it goes.

    But as with all things government around this Covid shit things come in dribs and drabs. First they use them to enforce travel restrictions/permit their relaxation, then use them to enforce/permit restrictions to certain areas and amenities within our home countries.

    How many are going to able to resist doing whatever is necessary to get their cert.?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    I agree completely. But with regards vaccines there's another point. Many countries are talking of vaccine certificates ostensibly to facilitate travel. Fair enough as far as it goes.

    But as with all things government around this Covid shit things come in dribs and drabs. First they use them to enforce travel restrictions/permit their relaxation, then use them to enforce/permit restrictions to certain areas and amenities within our home countries.

    How many are going to able to resist doing whatever is necessary to get their cert.?
    Agreed. Government is a whole another issue. They like to shove things in our faces.

    Regarding "resisting" the government, one type of resistance is fighting them, which is of course not possible for myriad of reasons, including but not limited to not having certain tools. Which means we are stuck with other form of resistance : the disobedience. If government in my country decides to get travel restrictions or anything, I'll simply ignore it. I dont travel either way.

    Of course, it will become serious when and if they push the issue further, then it might be needed to escape the country. Though I dont see this happening in my country anytime soon. India is a messy country. There are simply too many ppl and too many poor ppl, all jam packed over one another. Enforcing any such law, making it mandatory or anything, is simply not feasible currently. Heck, during the time of writing this post, I dont think I can get vaccine even if I want to !!! Its only available for aged 50+ ppl and medical practitioners, and some other groups and conditions which I dont remember now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    Those that are against smoking are using every manipulative tactic available to them. Maybe this is for the greater good, I won't dispute that point, but when people are told things that the facts don't really support, they tend to dismiss the facts that are supported because "it's all a load of manipulative bullshit!". It's exactly this kind of hyperbole that brings the medical establishment in to disrepute.

    I hate smoking with a passion.......however.


    Smokers have been massively taxed, constantly bombarded with graphic messages and sent outside of pubs, workplaces and public buildings. On top of that they die younger saving a ton of money on elderly care costs. There is a limit to how far you can go and I believe that was crossed sometime ago, only around 15% smoke today compared to around 45% when I was born.


    I only wish people could divert some of that towards junk food and overweight people which is a far bigger killer and they don't offset their costs to society. Smokers are an easy target by comparison and you have of course the fat acceptance movement.
    Men are becoming MGTOW by the millions, most without ever having heard the term. They are simply doing what all living organisms finding themselves in a toxic environment do. They adapt to it or remove themselves from it. Females are not liking either the adaptations or the removal.

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