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    An invitation to critique.

    I have mentioned in other threads that I have a general problem with –isms, or to be more specific philosophy, party politics and theology. Combine this with an inherent love of debate and it can often lead to discourse that can be seen as confrontational.

    As this is not my intent, I would like to explain myself here.

    There is an old axiom: Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me. I would like to add a third sentence to this: Fool me three times and I deserve all I get.

    You see, to my way of thinking I’ve already been fooled twice: once with socialism and once with Catholicism. (Both ending in ism.) I have no desire to add a third. Now you could argue that as these both occurred during my formative years due to similar social pressures that they could be part of the same social programming, i.e. being fooled once, but to me that’s just splitting hairs.

    As for being fooled about women, I see that as being slightly different. We all know the different pressures at play here during our youth, both social and biological. I don’t think I need to expand further. I was never fooled by feminism, another ism I dislike to put it mildly.

    For the reasons stated above, when people propose a philosophy or ideology I have a tendency to go into defensive mode. Instead of accepting the positive I immediately begin to look for the negative which is often hidden. This stance is often confused as being argumentative for the sake of it which is absolutely not the case. I simply wish to get the whole picture as far as possible so as to be able to come to a rational decision. I intend to work on this part of my personality.

    However, with the written word I realise that this may not be apparent so I would like to invite the other members here to prompt me if they think I’m being unreasonable with my arguments (not that many need such an invite LOL). Maybe something joking like: “Doctor, the patient’s out of bed again!” or some such. The last thing I want to do is antagonise the members here.

    And lastly, to our friend rkspsm I would like to say I find our discussions highly enjoyable. You are IMO an excellent debater and I never fail to learn something. Maybe in future though, if either of us feel like debating, we should start a new thread so as not to hijack the threads of others.
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    Re: An invitation to critique.

    What about fuckitism? For the sake of argument, of course...

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    Re: An invitation to critique.

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    What about fuckitism? For the sake of argument, of course...
    LOL, that's one ism I might be able to get behind.
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    Re: An invitation to critique.

    Fuckitism can be attributed to many great unseen things and events that never took place...

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    Re: An invitation to critique.

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    Fuckitism can be attributed to many great unseen things and events that never took place...
    Very deep. I can see the philosopher in you trying to get out. Maybe you should expand on this? But then again... Fuckitism.

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    Re: An invitation to critique.

    All roads lead to fuckitism, some arrive sooner than later, we have ground floor!

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    Re: An invitation to critique.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    And lastly, to our friend rkspsm I would like to say I find our discussions highly enjoyable. You are IMO an excellent debater and I never fail to learn something. Maybe in future though, if either of us feel like debating, we should start a new thread so as not to hijack the threads of others.
    Wow, I didnt even realize we hijacked some threat yet, until I read this... now I feel a little bad... and a little amused
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    MGTOW is about making no mistakes against gynocentrism.

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    Re: An invitation to critique.

    Quote Originally Posted by rkspsm View Post
    Wow, I didnt even realize we hijacked some threat yet, until I read this... now I feel a little bad... and a little amused
    Hijacked involves the use of weapons, you guys merely intensified the conversation the way I see it. But then again, I was suspended for hijacking threads among other menacing things...

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    Re: An invitation to critique.

    Any framework for dealing with life can be labelled as an ism. You can't get away from it - even the "no framework at all" framework is nihilism. Philosophy is inevitable, because philosophy is where you always wind up if you don't stop thinking.

    But that's not the same thing as catholicism and socialism, is it? Which is what you were talking about.

    The problem isn't "ism", it's being a follower. Hence: GYOW.

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    Re: An invitation to critique.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wombat View Post
    Any framework for dealing with life can be labelled as an ism. You can't get away from it - even the "no framework at all" framework is nihilism. Philosophy is inevitable, because philosophy is where you always wind up if you don't stop thinking.

    But that's not the same thing as catholicism and socialism, is it? Which is what you were talking about.

    The problem isn't "ism", it's being a follower. Hence: GYOW.
    GYOW exactly. Just take bits and pieces of from philosophies around, because some stuff in some of the philosophies might resonate with the person, and may help in developing his own philosophies.
    A clever fighter not only wins, but excels in winning with ease. His victories bring him neither reputation for wisdom, nor credit for courage. He wins his battles by making no mistakes. Making no mistakes is what establishes the certainty of victory, for it means conquering an enemy that is already defeated.

    Sun Tzu in The Art of War
    MGTOW is about making no mistakes against gynocentrism.

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    Re: An invitation to critique.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wombat View Post
    Any framework for dealing with life can be labelled as an ism.
    Agreed. But for me these are external labels, those that others may try to apply to me, philosophies to which I do not subscribe but may seem apparent to others in my take on things.

    For example, I occasionally describe myself as an atheist but that is purely for the benefit of others. I do not believe in the existence of any supreme being, but give me some empirical evidence to support the claim and I am open to the possibility. This differs to many who deny the possibility, so am I really an atheist?

    I do not believe in the existence of God, but I do NOT believe that God does not exist, there is a big difference, at least to me.

    This is also different to agnostics who have no view on the matter.

    I am often sceptical, but does that make me a sceptic? As I am not sceptical about all knowledge, merely the accuracy of its sources I believe not.
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