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    What happened to Christianity?

    So as the fellow gentlemen here know, I am not a christian. Coming from Saudi, everyone is pretty much the same religion, with some small variations between the sects; but that is about it.

    However, it seems like although Islam is heading in the direction of more liberalisation and therefore becoming more gynocentric; I thought it be interesting to discuss christianity and where it is going.

    How do the fellow members feel about the christian church and all its' denominations? Why have most denominations become so gynocentric including the more traditional ones like Orthodox Church and Catholic Church?

    Is Christianity inherently gynocentric? Or do you think the liberals broke christianity?

    And more specifically, why has christianity become so cheap? No disrespect, but it seems anyone can now call themselves a Christian and they have never picked up the bible or gone to church.
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    Re: What happened to Christianity?

    The Western/Roman Catholic church was pozzed/progged with 'Liberation Theology' back in the 1960s. That said, the rot really started with the papal encyclical 'Rerum Novarum' of 1891; here, the Church took it upon itself to assume a political stance.

    The 'Mainline' Protestants (Lutherans, Episcopalians, Baptists, Methodists etc) followed the Romans after WW2.

    I'm not religious - I think it's a philosophy for those who don't want the effort of making up their own minds - but I can see that meaningful rituals, solemnity and fear of the Creator would make for the best in terms of civilizational stability.
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    Re: What happened to Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post
    Is Christianity inherently gynocentric? Or do you think the liberals broke christianity?
    As far as I can see they're a match made in ... erm.

    Both espouse kindness and tolerance while totally fucking you over. (ex Catholic here)
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    Re: What happened to Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    As far as I can see they're a match made in ... erm.

    Both espouse kindness and tolerance while totally fucking you over. (ex Catholic here)
    Catholics push Jesus into the background in favor of Mary. I would say Catholics are gynocentric.

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    Re: What happened to Christianity?

    What happened to Christianity?
    Why, nothing. It's you.

    Why have most denominations become so gynocentric including the more traditional ones like Orthodox Church and Catholic Church?
    How far back was it different? Describe what it was before that made you see this change you notice, and when that was. What are the comparisons you are making between then and now?

    Is Christianity inherently gynocentric?
    Hmm. This fundamental question suggests to me that you have no firm knowledge to make sturdy your above comparisons. Maybe you should have started with this question?

    it seems anyone can now call themselves a Christian and they have never picked up the bible or gone to church.
    Only now you notice? When has that never been the case? Perhaps you are young in age? This is not a fault of liberals. This is human nature. It may depend where you live. How many people say they are this or are that but have only the lightest exposure to whatever they are claiming? Most of us are scholars of nothing much.

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    Re: What happened to Christianity?

    All'zz I can say about religion is beware of sheep skinned wolves! Or else some day you'll be catching a ride on a comet or drinking some Kool-Aid!

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    Re: What happened to Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by MGTOWFOREVER View Post
    Catholics push Jesus into the background in favor of Mary. I would say Catholics are gynocentric.
    I would refute this. Yes there are many icons of Mary and she is considered a very important figure, but there is little mention of her really. There is more spoke of the saints, and mostly male saints, of which there are also many icons.

    She does get mentioned in the Catholic service, but primarily to intercede with her son Jesus on behalf of the congregation. In fact she is asked to "pray for us sinners" putting her squarely below Jesus in any meaningful way.

    Most of what is heard or said about Mary comes from outside the formal teachings of Catholocism, mostly pushed by nuns and the movie industry. That being said, many Catholic girls-only schools have a number of nuns teaching them and who knows what's being said there.

    Edit: I'll try to ask around about the effect of nuns on education, but due to the current lockdown this may take some time.
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    Re: What happened to Christianity?

    The Western/Roman Catholic church was pozzed/progged with 'Liberation Theology' back in the 1960s. That said, the rot really started with the papal encyclical 'Rerum Novarum' of 1891; here, the Church took it upon itself to assume a political stance.
    I have also researched this. Liberation theology was praised by socialists and figures like Noam Chomsky hailed it as one of the best contributions of religious intimations; and the Catholic Church in particular.

    Many traditional catholics see liberation theology as a "Trojan horse" and well, the same can be said of the new mass, with all manner of changes from Latin to English and where the priest becomes the central point of focus as opposed to Jesus on the cross.

    How aware do you think the average catholic is, of the changes to the Latin Mass, and do you think it bothers them much?

    @ Unboxxed.

    How far back was it different? Describe what it was before that made you see this change you notice, and when that was. What are the comparisons you are making between then and now?
    Mainly, what propelled my question was the changes we are seeing in the more traditional churches. This new pope Francis says that "I cannot be the judge of people" and he has made several suggestions to change actual traditions that have been untouched for hundreds if not thousands of years, the Tridentine Mass (Traditional Latin Mass) being one of them.

    As for the mainline protestant denominations, I have never heard any preacher talk down to a woman for divorcing her husband, and I have never heard any preacher mention that a woman must submit to her husband - it says so in the bible. Ephesians 5:22 -33 "Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord"

    Hmm. This fundamental question suggests to me that you have no firm knowledge to make sturdy your above comparisons. Maybe you should have started with this question?
    I'll admit, this was a badly word post.

    As for starting with this question... I do not think Christianity is inherently gynocentric, and the reason is because it is the only Abrahamic religion that allows a man to refuse marriage. (maybe it is to do with the fact the Christianity has a history of monasticism, which Judaism and Islam don't - there is Kabbalah and Sufism, but this is nowhere near developed to the extent Franciscan or Dominican orders)

    In Islam, a married man's prayer is worth twice that of an unmarried man. He gets brownie points for simply being married.
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    Re: What happened to Christianity?

    I have also researched this. Liberation theology was praised by socialists and figures like Noam Chomsky hailed it as one of the best contributions of religious intimations; and the Catholic Church in particular.
    Liberation theology? First I’ve heard of it but that’s hardly surprising as I denounced all organised religion at a very young age (maybe about 16 years of age).

    From Wikipedia:

    Liberation theology is a synthesis of Christian theology and socio-economic analyses, based on far-left politics, particularly Marxism, that emphasizes "social concern for the poor and political liberation for oppressed peoples."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_theology

    Sounds about right. This would seem to be intrinsic to Catholicism, and indeed all Abrahamic religions. My reasoning being the Book of Exodus – “Let my people go!” but even without this reason dictates that it would be a good way to appeal to the masses (population, not services). Maybe religion is even the source of socialism for all I know rather than religion having been affected by it.

    How aware do you think the average catholic is, of the changes to the Latin Mass, and do you think it bothers them much?
    Assuming here you mean changes to the Latin mass and not the change from Latin to spoken languages I can only speak of what I see here in Ireland.

    I’m in my fifties and cannot recall ever having been to a Latin mass, although it is possible as a very young child as I can recall my mother lamenting its passing (well, more like giving off about it as was her wont). When I was a child she would often attend the Latin service that was held only once per week and only in the Cathedral, not in the local parishes.

    So, to answer your questions: While some maybe aware that changes have been made to the Latin mass even most of them would be unaware of any specifics. As for the average Joe or Jane I doubt they even give it a second’s thought.

    But this, of course, depends on what exactly you mean by “the average Catholic”. As you say many (most from what I can see) claim to be Catholic but rarely attend service and have never read the Bible. They attend certain rituals like baptisms, confirmations and funerals and that’s about it. They know next to nothing about the religion they claim membership of and unless the topic is brought up in conversation they rarely even think about it.

    That being said I wouldn’t want to tar everyone with the same brush, there are many for whom their religion is a major part of their lives, but these are becoming rarer every day and are often seen by the majority as a little, ah, let me be careful here, eccentric?


    As for it being gynocentric, it is the one major Christian religion that has tried to resist. Take women Catholic priests for example. While a few now do exist they have been excommunicated by the Vatican and are widely seen by Catholics as an abomination, except for the feminists of course.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_...c_Womenpriests

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