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    Expecting too much from people.

    I grew up in a very unstable household. I was often in a position where even my very basic needs were not met. I mean the very basics, a glass of milk on the table, a school uniform which fitted my body and was in a clean condition. My father and mother were extremely inattentive and I was neglected on every level.

    Mentally, Emotionally, Educationally, Financially. My parents simply did not care.

    So I grew with a lot of disappointments. I began to develop a sense that I was wronged and I began to expect a lot from people, yet people disappointed me.

    Just the other day, I was arguing with my brother.

    We were talking about the state of the world, and he mentioned that the problems people have come down to one reason: namely the control of money supply by the "elites".

    I said that "yes, that is an issue, and many people don't understand the way the world works and therefore struggle to get ahead in life". But there are other factors, and I mentioned that due to huge level of parental and societal neglect, I grew up very stunted.

    So even if someone came along and said "the money supply is controlled by the elites"; that is not going to be of much help. I have everyday practicalities I need to deal with, such as working with manipulative women, being manipulated by women on dates for drinks and dinners, how does becoming educated about the money supply aide my pursuit of a happy and fulfilled life?

    He then mentioned "well you have to know that life is a GAME, and you play the GAME". I said to him, yes that is absolutely true! You need to strategise and understand how to get what you want tin life.

    But I further questioned him "You are right about GAME, but what if someone doesn't know this information? They do not know how to play the GAME, or they may not even have the word GAME in their vocabulary".

    He then said "NO!, everyone has to do what they can to get ahead in life" "everyone can improve themselves".

    The I countered with "well many people don't know how to do that" and in my case I was so stunted and neglected that I often sabotaged myself simply through a lack of knowledge. After all, how do explain the state of dreaming to someone who has never had a dream in their life? It would be impossible.

    We kept arguing for hours and eventually agreed to disagree.

    I thought to myself "well maybe I am expecting too much from people?" I thought this conversation with my brother was a classic example of expecting too much from others and end up feeling disappointed afterwards.
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    Re: Expecting too much from people.

    Nobody gets all the building blocks in life, we have to work with what we have and use them accordingly to bolster each other and perhaps have a baby building block (new neuro-pathway).

    Just the fact that you know you were shorted on knowledge and skills shows the fact that you thirst for the same! We all thirst to differing degrees and drink from the fountain of knowledge in different amounts. The moron, bum, and cellar dweller have no thirst at all, they're still eating intellectual baby food by refusing to stand on their own or even pitch in to any productive capacity.

    I dropped out of school at 16 and went on to educate myself through vocational high school (machinist) and later flight school and long time botanist that learned compound chemical mixing through molar math calculations, I/we, my brother and I have our brand of high quality plant foods made from top-shelf raw compound ingredients down to every element plant-life needs and in the proper amount depending on environmental conditions and species, also studied fresh water biology, lake management, and storm water mitigation. I know my shit when it comes to chemical plant feeding and the right ingredients! My plants eat gourmet while the average chump feeds his plants Mc Donalds! I actually have a shitload of summer squash to give away, want some?

    Some of the greatest people on earth rose from the lowest of places!

    Perseverance kicks the shit out of entitlement, anywhere, anytime, all day long!
    It's 1939 allover again, and we're the ones being assigned gold stars!

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    Re: Expecting too much from people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post
    I grew up in a very unstable household. I was often in a position where even my very basic needs were not met. I mean the very basics, a glass of milk on the table, a school uniform which fitted my body and was in a clean condition. My father and mother were extremely inattentive and I was neglected on every level.

    Mentally, Emotionally, Educationally, Financially. My parents simply did not care.

    So I grew with a lot of disappointments. I began to develop a sense that I was wronged and I began to expect a lot from people, yet people disappointed me.
    My whole childhood and adolescence, right up to my late 20’s, was a series of disappointments. Not so much from my peers, although there were problems there too, but more so from those that sought to guide me. It was bludgeoned in to me that this is how people are meant to act, yet at seemingly every test they failed their own professed standards. I say professed because whilst they claimed that these standards were right and proper they failed to adhere to them themselves. There was always an excuse.

    Because of this I also felt disappointed: “People are talking shit, they say one thing and do another.” This revelation (a red pill?) bothered me for some time. It “bothered” me a lot.

    Until…

    I realised, due to societal pressures, that a lot of what we come to believe is, eh, pre-fabricated? An illusion? It sounds good on the surface until you examine the long-term impact, and to this day I believe except for the very few like I see here on this site that nothing much has changed.

    This is the very essence of the blue-pill, we get fed on a never-ending supply of bullshit. Is it any wonder that many just lap it all up? And in doing so they come into conflict – the conflict between what they have been told and what they observe. It is within this conflict, and therefore confusion, that they are taken advantage of and make bad decisions.

    This is the reason for all these mixed signals: to confuse and confound in the hope of taking advantage. And it works. Don’t go believing just because you have seen through some of it that you are immune.

    YOU AREN’T!

    If you think this statement is incorrect, then think again.

    You need to stay alert and even then some shit will still get through. You can minimise the effect but you cannot eliminate it. Accept this.

    People like to be led although they will deny it. They argue using phrases like “NAWALT” or “That’s just wrong, I can’t say why it’s wrong exactly but I know it’s wrong.”

    People will act as they see fit. Don’t try to moralise their motives; it’s an impossible task because you simply can’t know their influences and thought processes, hell even they couldn’t tell you.

    If you wish to understand the motives of others look to their actions, their words are often meaningless.

    That said, when it comes to parenting sometimes decisions must be made that we, as children, cannot begin to understand. They came from different times. Unless your parents were excessively violent in some way they were probably just trying to cope.

    I was also “dressed funny” (with ill-fitting clothes and hand-me-downs) and never seemed to have the things other kids had, but I survived and I have to give my parents at least some credit for that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post
    We kept arguing for hours and eventually agreed to disagree.
    Take this as a good sign and allow it to continue, brother willing. Don’t be despondent about it. Your words haven’t gone unheard.

    One thing I’ve learned about debating amongst friends and family – you rarely know if you’ve won. And really it shouldn’t be about winning or losing it should be about expanding your understanding, about hearing another viewpoint.

    During a debate or argument we don’t want to give an inch. We state our views and we know they are right, but in the process we encounter counter-arguments and while we may dismiss them at the time as erroneous we WILL at some time give them further consideration, albeit maybe subconsciously.

    Once again we go back to patience.

    It takes time for different viewpoints to filter through all your defences; it is the same with your brother, except your brother may well have blue pill indoctrination to get through as well. Patience is the key.

    I’ve lost track of the number of times I’ve debated topics only to revisit them sometime later with the same person and both of our views have changed, obviously influenced by the other.

    Debate and argument, with the right people, really is a good thing IMO.

    Even if they are blue-pillers!
    "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin

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    Re: Expecting too much from people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post
    So even if someone came along and said "the money supply is controlled by the elites"; that is not going to be of much help. I have everyday practicalities I need to deal with, such as working with manipulative women, being manipulated by women on dates for drinks and dinners, how does becoming educated about the money supply aide my pursuit of a happy and fulfilled life?
    This is a problem for both sides. I can give my perspective from the other side.

    I had, and still have, quite stable life. There are no bad events (nothing with lasting results), and no sudden good events either. All good things happened gradually. Some people call me lucky, others call me weird. Those calling me lucky, do so because they think the kind of mindset I have, combined with my immediate environment, results in a very smooth ride. Those who call me weird, find my lifestyle too boring, empty, devoid of many physical/material desires which a normal man usually needs (most notably: women to fk). They think I am internally depressed and coping, and just dont show it outside, which makes me cackle up really hard.

    Now, the thing is, I dont like people lamenting or moaning in my vicinity. I have told my family members, on more than occasion, to not come to me if they only want to grumble. I am VERY FINE if they want to discuss or brainstorm the SOLUTION. And what usually happens is, most of the time, the little finicky problems they have often have very trivial solutions, they just need the person to get hold of his/her emotions and do what needs to be done. So they end up telling me that I wont understand. And they are CORRECT !! I wont understand, and thats because I cannot understand. I am not equipped psychologically to deal with that.

    And this is where the exact mirrored version happens. When I am talking about problems, I will most likely be talking about problems in society at relatively higher level, farther from the personal level. Like elites controlling the money or communism and all that jazz. The only personal problems I have, are merely the hurdles I face in my profession, say a bug I need to fix in some code. I dont need to discuss that in casual talk with friends or families (unless they are involved in the work), these problems are not really "problems", they are the "tasks" allotted to me. So I have no personal problems to discuss, and my solutions to their own personal problems wont work for them. Then what remains... talking about the elites !!

    Its a mutual stalemate. No side is interested in other side's problems (or can help with it). And ALL my friends and family members who interact with me regularly KNOW this very very well, and respect that. Those who didnt respect that, no longer talk to me, because it gets unpleasant for them.

    I might be an extreme case, but I have seen this problem even in non-extreme cases. Two people interested in very different scale of problems, and the lack of synchronization in their thoughts while they are talking, is often very palpable.
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    Re: Expecting too much from people.

    Welcome to my world.

    Remember the movie Falling Down? That's me. I did everything I was supposed to do but I ended up the bad guy. The best advice I can give you is to ignore orders and question everything. It will take awhile but in the end you will see that most people are fake and you only have yourself to rely on.

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    Re: Expecting too much from people.

    Quote Originally Posted by MGTOWFOREVER View Post
    Welcome to my world.

    Remember the movie Falling Down? That's me. I did everything I was supposed to do but I ended up the bad guy. The best advice I can give you is to ignore orders and question everything. It will take awhile but in the end you will see that most people are fake and you only have yourself to rely on.
    It's 1939 allover again, and we're the ones being assigned gold stars!

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    Re: Expecting too much from people.

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    It's true when you think about it. People need to point & blame others while saying "Thats the bad guy" but they won't ever look in the mirror.

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    Re: Expecting too much from people.

    Quote Originally Posted by MGTOWFOREVER View Post
    It's true when you think about it. People need to point & blame others while saying "Thats the bad guy" but they won't ever look in the mirror.
    I had a "bad guy" take a liking to my father and me, he went around the bad neighborhood where our shop was located and spread the word that we were to be left alone, or else! He also had us do any and all work on his car, he was a real live Leroy Brown, 300 lbs. of respectable badness, a .38, and a reputation for using it! It was better than having 3 junkyard dogs, which btw we did! It's amazing how one bad guy can get you the red carpet treatment from people that would otherwise mug you! That whole section of the city gave us a free pass from that point on!
    It's 1939 allover again, and we're the ones being assigned gold stars!

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    Re: Expecting too much from people.

    The basic job of parenting is launching the kids into adulthood. Teaching them the game. Many people did not have that, and had to work it out for themselves as adults. Your brother is just plain wrong.


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