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    Defund the Police? How About We Defund the Universities (That Preach Feminism etc)

    "Our universities have nurtured and foisted on America and Canada an extreme radicalism that vilifies American and Canadian history, society, and culture. This radicalism stems in the first instance from identity grievance studies programs, such as feminist and gender studies, gay and queer studies, black studies, Hispanic and Chicano studies, indigenous studies, and ethnic studies, which have adopted marxist theories popular in sociology and political science . . .

    This far left ideology has diffused throughout the soft subjects of the social sciences, humanities, education, social work, and law. Far left radicalism has been adopted with enthusiasm by administrators and imposed on any laggard or dissenting students and professors by the many “diversity and inclusion” commissars whose salaries could have funded many scholarships and professorships in STEM fields.


    Universities claim that they believe that sexism and racism are evil, while they raise reverse sexism and reverse racism into official policy. They have in aid of their reverse morality overthrown that “unfortunate” principle of equality before the law, because they do not like the presumption of innocence and the rules of due process. They have accepted that females should always be believed, and that people of color are always suffering from racism. In the U.S., the Obama-Biden Title IX removed the blindfold from justice, ensuring that females were always vindicated and males always punished . . . "
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    It’s not just America and Canada, I know from personal experience that it’s also VERY prevalent in the U.K. and Ireland also.

    The main difference on this side of the pond is much of it is flying under the radar; very few seem to be prepared to call it out. We know it’s happening but just shrug our shoulders – anything for an easy life, until it’s too late and that “easy” life turns round and bites you in the ass.

    Education, outside of the sciences, is polluted with leftist ideology.

    I remember while studying basic economics in the 80’s the teacher asked the class to watch the budget speech on telly – the Tories (U.K.) were in government. Afterwards he asked the class if it was a left wing or right wing budget.

    A reasonable exercise when reasonable people are involved, but this was a classroom.

    It was decided that it was a right wing budget due to tax reductions on capital transfer taxes. Everything else was ignored even though unemployment benefits were also raised and workers’ rights extended through “anti-discrimination” legislation.

    They accentuate the negative and write off the positive.

    “The rich are the only ones that matter, they call the shots. They suit themselves and throw us a pittance expecting us to be grateful. We DESERVE more!” (Obviously not a direct quote, but this was the impetus.)

    And the class was in total agreement, led by the teacher.

    That was back in the 1980’s, I dread to think what it’s like now.
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    I chuckle when the "clucking heads" of the mainstream media talk about "defunding the police". The modern American is not prepared or equipped to defend one's self in the event of there being zero police presence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonobo Protocol View Post
    I chuckle when the "clucking heads" of the mainstream media talk about "defunding the police". The modern American is not prepared or equipped to defend one's self in the event of there being zero police presence.
    Absolutely. Defund and / or disband the police? What could possibly go wrong there?

    I have no great love for the police but I do respect them, for the most part anyway. They put their lives on the line to uphold the law without which we’re all fucked. Yes, many of today’s laws mean we’re fucked anyway but at least until you’re unfairly accused it is fairly safe to walk the streets and go about your business. Take the police away and that disappears fairly quickly. Recent events in the U.S. and my own experiences support this.

    Where my respect for them falters is when they uphold laws they know are unjust. Carting men away to jail on the accusations of a cohabitant/gf/wife when no evidence exists to substantiate the claim, but the current legislation in many areas is to believe the accuser regardless of evidence.

    That is, of course, my view of the majority of police. There are always the few that think they’re Judge Dredd.

    On a side note:

    There is a great deal of media attention in the U.S. about cops killing unarmed civilians. Mostly around BLM but not limited to them. My question:

    When a police officer is involved in an incident where he/she discharges his/her firearm (O.K., if he/she shoots someone), are their alcohol levels checked? Are they tested for drugs? Just something I have wondered about.
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    Re: Defund the Police? How About We Defund the Universities (That Preach Feminism etc)

    Where my respect for them falters is when they uphold laws they know are unjust. Carting men away to jail on the accusations of a cohabitant/gf/wife when no evidence exists to substantiate the claim, but the current legislation in many areas is to believe the accuser regardless of evidence.
    This is my position on the subject. The way I see it is, if you get involved in a system that is morally corrupt, then you cannot really complain when you are on the receiving end of it. I would support the police more, if they were fair and impartial, but when they drag men into the courts and throw them in jail to be anally raped - then well... let's just say I lose sympathy.
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    After my ordeal in King County I have no more respect for the police. Too many of them are either on the take or just disillusioned by the corrupt system they support.
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    Last week I went down to a rally at City Hall in support of the police. I got there a bit early for the 9am start but eventually people showed up and set up a table with picket signs, water bottles, little American flags, and coronavirus masks. They started out by telling us over a hand-held megaphone what the rules for the day would be, including do not engage any counter-protesters nor let them press your buttons by the things they may say to us. I was disappointed when they said we would not be sidewalk marching as that was what I was expecting (I've done plenty of picket line duty in my time) and the thought of holding up the picket signs to only each other seemed no fun. We were on an elevated cement courtyard about 8 feet higher than the adjacent street sidewalk and the city hall building itself shaded us from the morning sun but soon that would not be the case and it was going to hit 80 degrees that day which is warm for standing still and while on cement. They stated they would be there until 5pm and I wondered how long I could last. However, I came to show my physical support and did not plan to wimp out.

    As people started filling in the courtyard to gather around the direction of the table and the people speaking at us, I staked out a place to stand underneath a skinny tree planted in a square opening in the cement. The only chairs were immovable ones along the walls of the building, out of earshot of the folks with the megaphone so I didn't want those. There was an electrical outlet under the tree sticking up from the ground on a short post and this was entirely protected by a thick plastic tube-shaped cylinder with a flat top about 8 inches diameter which made for a convenient although less-than-ideal chair to sit on under that tree, a tad bit short to the ground. As I sat there as they spoke, I wanted to do something, anything, that showed movement so I waved that little flag back and forth continuously. As the TV stations set up their cameras and panned the crowd, I was the only one waving his little flag. Besides, I thought that would be a good thing for the cameras.

    That was a mistake. Note to self for next time: when the cameras are rolling, do NOT be seated and whatever you do, do NOT wave that little flag. Because, when I saw myself on the TV news that night, as the camera panned, everybody who was standing and holding up their signs looked ready to rumble while there I was, sitting in my little bitty chair, the only one furiously waving my little flag as if I just got liberated by the Allies. Not a good image for me, I decided. I looked like the old guy who just wanted to belong. LOL.

    But I didn't know that at the time. Just being good old patriotic Unboxxed. While various people were taking turns speaking over the megaphone, up to the elevated courtyard came a Jesus freak with his own megaphone setup with hand-held microphone and he proceeded to blast "Jesus Saves! Repent! Glory to Jesus!" over and over as he paced back and forth just behind the bulk of us standing their with our signs. So, we now had megaphones on each side of us with words blasting at us from both directions and you couldn't fully hear one message because of the other. Uh, oh, less than a half hour into this and already not good. I'm a Christian but hey guy not now, please. Was this a clever counter-protest? The police who were plentiful in the courtyard and also down at street level took notice of this party crasher and with a gentle touch to his elbow he was calmly escorted down to street level and away from us, amidst a few muted cheers, praising God as he went.

    Soon the speeches ended and we were doing chants and more chants. I decided I was going to go down to street level and make use of my picket sign for the car traffic passing by, even if I was the only one. I parked myself against a fire hydrant right at our corner of the intersection, nicely under a shade tree, holding my sign high in the air to the cars moving towards me on this 1-way street, waving my little flag back and forth at them.

    Now let me paint this next picture for you. This corner where I was positioned already had portable metal barriers (tubular fence about 3 feet high) placed where the sidewalk met the street such that if any DEFUNDERS showed up they had to stand pretty much in the crosswalk on their side of this fence, unable to come onto the sidewalk from that direction. Before long, a short anti-police girl showed up with megaphone strapped to her hip and a hand-held microphone and started making grating chit-chat to the sole cop who was nearby me on our side of the barrier, her megaphone projecting her insipid comments. She started making petty insults to the cop such as, "Aren't you embarassed?", "You sound confused." etc etc. You know, the kinds of things a horrid wife says to her husband to undermine his confidence and wear him down. It was textbook bitch. Every other word was F or G.D. Mostly, you could tell to a certain extent that she was in love with the sound of her own voice, you know the type. A few more DEFUNDERS showed up to stand along side her and I noticed by that time a few cops had lined themselves up in a row, almost shoulder to shoulder, parallel to the metal barriers and about 8 feet away from the barriers, as if an 8-foot No-Man's Land was being established between the cops and the fence with the DEFUNDERS behind the fence. Now, I was actually within that 8 feet separation but at the very end of it and on the other side of that shade tree out of visual range of everybody so maybe that was why nobody was telling me to clear out. Another police supporter fellow came up along side me and I commented to him that, although I wish that chick would shut up her non-stop idiotic talking-for-the-sake-of-talking, the advantage is I could see that none of her compadres dared tell her to shut up, so they all stood there in perfect silence and all we had to deal with is her one big mouth instead of several big mouths. I'm counting our blessings.

    Then, to my delight, guess who shows up on her side of the fence but Mr. Jesus Freak, blasting his Hallelujahs all over her and her compadres. That shut her up. It was great. She tried to keep going but he was now doing to her what he had been doing to us, standing within feet of her. I told the guy next to me that it was Dueling Megaphones and I broke out laughing as I starting singing the notes to Dueling Banjos for all to hear. Or as much as could get out through my face mask. I sang over and over the familiar part of that song, laughing my ass off. It was getting fun.

    However, it was not to last as the Jesus freak stopped and let her proceed. So she started up again, bleating the same pointless drivel as before. F and G.D. F and G.D. I decided that I had had about as much of her big mouth as I was going to take and, non-engagement be damned, I came out from under that tree and walked right into that No Man's Land, with the row of cops looking, and I positioned myself directly in front of her with only the short barrier between her and me, but I gave her my backside and faced the cops, with my sign facing her and my little flag waving. She was now blasting her megaphone BS into my back which stopped her cold as soon as she realized how stupid she looked doing that. This was my intention. The fellow I was joking with earlier saw this and said, "Good idea!" and he joined me in giving the DEFUNDERS our backs. She would move herself a foot or two to my left to start bleating again, and I would move myself accordingly to keep blocking her. It was working fine and I was happy to stop the cops from hearing her mean shit. I started doing a little jig in place, Shake shake shake, Shake your booty.

    A lady cop came up to me and said I need to get back behind their line as other cops were now showing up with bicycles to formalize their line of scrimmage, replacing the cops who had been standing there almost shoulder-to-shoulder with different cops who had bicycles which they positioned end-to-end in front of them across the wide sidewalk. I guess the police were expecting escalation but it was only the one chick and her big mouth and a dozen hooded idiots just standing there with their hands in their pockets. I recognize that anybody could say that what I did was its own form of escalation in light of our instruction to not engage them, so maybe I started the concern, can't say. Then, all of us went back to the courtyard so the press would have nothing of interest to film down where Ms. Big Mouth was.

    I find it ironic that I had found a solution to keep her from verbally abusing the police whom I'm defending but, in their sworn duty to protect and serve, they had to move me out of harm's way such that she gets from them a row of police facing her to receive her abusive swill. Exactly what she wants.

    From my new perch on the courtyard rail overlooking the sidewalk below, I saw a few interesting things. Some guy was wheeling along the sidewalk a huge gray plastic garbage container, as big as a bathtub with walls three times as high, and in it he had placed the speaker to the hand-held microphone he was talking into. He stopped in front of us looking down at him and I could tell he was not pro-police but the hilarious part is that with his speaker deep down inside that container no one could hear him except himself. He seemed perplexed at how easy it was that most of us looking in his direction didn't even realize he was there, such was the ambient noise from other sources. I broke out laughing as he slinked away, defeated, pushing his plastic dumpster. Nobody had paid attention to him.

    The other thing I noticed was one of us police supporters and his small son writing on the sidewalk in large letters. He wrote DEFEND THE POLICE but it was out of the main line of foot traffic and no one seemed to notice it. Closer to where people were, he chalked out BLACK LIVES MATTER and the press all jumped on this and filmed him writing it. I bet they thought he was anti-police, not seeing his earlier words. However, my point is that they did not stick around with their cameras running to watch him finish his message when he added words before and after, to make it now read ALL BLACK LIVES MATTER, ALL LIVES MATTER, YOU MATTER. This was right where the anti-police people could read it. My personal observation is that the portion they filmed for TV could be interpreted as him being a DEFUNDER when he really was not. Just an observation. I can learn from this when I see short news clips on TV.

    It was noon when the organizers folded up the table, gathered up the signs and everything that was left, and departed, saying anybody can stay as they like. I decided to call it good for the day. Four and a half hours. As I left the plaza and crossed the intersection, on the other side of the intersection was the Jesus freak, all alone on that corner, still talking into his megaphone setup, but this time he was not preaching short exhortations but speaking in full sentences in the direction of the counter-protesters, saying things like, "We should try to get along and not make things worse.", "This is not the way to solve things." etc.

    As I passed him on that corner, I looked at him and gave him a sincere, "Amen" to which he replied, "Thank you" as I headed for home.
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    Re: Defund the Police? How About We Defund the Universities (That Preach Feminism etc)

    This is why I support Colt, Remington, S&W, and others (for when the police aren't around because of protests).

    This way we can both shoot violent protesters in separate locations and get the job done that much sooner! Can't beat the efficiency!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    This is why I support Colt, Remington, S&W, and others (for when the police aren't around because of protests).

    This way we can both shoot violent protesters in separate locations and get the job done that much sooner! Can't beat the efficiency!
    I often think of this, just shoot the lot of 'em. And if anyone protests, shoot them too!

    But then I worry about creating martyrs. Even when the cause is unjust martyrdom can carry it for decades.

    Might be fun tho.
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    A great personal story, but this stood out to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unboxxed View Post
    My personal observation is that the portion they filmed for TV could be interpreted as him being a DEFUNDER when he really was not. Just an observation. I can learn from this when I see short news clips on TV.
    This is what they do continually (continuously?) thereby encouraging more of the same. They stoke the fires to create context that they can show on the box. They have no morality. They wish to exacerbate in order to achieve ratings and let the world be damned.

    Once upon a time the news media may have been a force for impartiality (I doubt this, but maybe) but today it's all about ratings. They will take any subject and twist it to say whatever they want it to say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    I often think of this, just shoot the lot of 'em. And if anyone protests, shoot them too!

    But then I worry about creating martyrs. Even when the cause is unjust martyrdom can carry it for decades.

    Might be fun tho.
    The "social compact" (around here), is we help each other get rid of the bodies! Appalachia politics, redress, and resolution, runs deeeeeeep around here, we wouldn't want to burden the legal system, now would we?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    Where my respect for them falters is when they uphold laws they know are unjust.
    So, the cops should decide for themselves which laws are right and which laws are wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    There are always the few that think they’re Judge Dredd.
    So, the cops shouldn't decide for themselves what the laws should be.

    You can't have it both ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wombat View Post

    Originally Posted by Jackoff

    Where my respect for them falters is when they uphold laws they know are unjust.
    So, the cops should decide for themselves which laws are right and which laws are wrong.

    Originally Posted by Jackoff

    There are always the few that think they’re Judge Dredd.
    So, the cops shouldn't decide for themselves what the laws should be.

    You can't have it both ways.
    Ouch!

    No problem though, what I said was not contradictory, IMO anyway.

    So, the cops should decide for themselves which laws are right and which laws are wrong.
    Absolutely not. The role of the cop is to uphold the law and that’s my point, they are obliged to uphold laws which they know are unjust. How can you respect someone that routinely and repeatedly does things he doesn’t really want to do. He may justify it as part of the greater good and maybe he’s right, but wrongdoing is still wrongdoing.

    But let me make it clear, my problem really isn't with the cops it's with the unjust laws they are sworn to uphold.

    So, the cops shouldn't decide for themselves what the laws should be.
    Absolutely, the role of the cop is to uphold the law, not to be judge, jury and executioner.

    You can't have it both ways.
    Seems I can’t have it one way. Story of my life!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    Appalachia politics
    ?

    I know a bit about American politics, but not a lot.

    Appalachia politics? Something to do with being a bellweather for U.S. presidents? I don't understand the specifics though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    ?

    I know a bit about American politics, but not a lot.

    Appalachia politics? Something to do with being a bellweather for U.S. presidents? I don't understand the specifics though.
    Appalachian mountain range, from Kentucky to the North East Kingdom in Vermont, 2,000 miles, all hillbillies!

    I'm a city slicker that moved to the hills and converted, even set some new standards! I'm literally learning to make medicines and remedies from common herbs and weeds. I've got 100% USDA not inspected goat meat in my freezer! Leftovers from the failed goat brothels attempt...
    It's 1939 allover again, and we're the ones being assigned gold stars!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    Appalachian mountain range, from Kentucky to the North East Kingdom in Vermont, 2,000 miles, all hillbillies!

    I'm a city slicker that moved to the hills and converted, even set some new standards! I'm literally learning to make medicines and remedies from common herbs and weeds. I've got 100% USDA not inspected goat meat in my freezer! Leftovers from the failed goat brothels attempt...
    And what am I to do with all these goat orphans I inherited from the brothel?
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    I went to another pro-police rally today, same City Hall, different organizers. Once again, shortly after it began, somebody tried to drown out our microphoned speaker up with us in the elevated courtyard, this time by blasting a recording of Martin Luther King Jr. I didn't recognize the speech and what I did hear was not apparently relevant to anything. Right away a loud siren started up in his vicinity. I was the furthest away and couldn't see through those of us who had moved towards this person but the siren turned out to be from one of our people, as some sort of counter-measure to alert the nearby police to respond, which they did, and they moved this person away. So, it didn't last long.

    Being how our Primary Election is a few days away, August 4, we had the pleasure of a number of candidates showing up and speaking to the crowd. We also had "open microphone" and an older man from Viet Nam explained how he fled the very things that he fears are happening to the USA. He had quite the passionate plea that we must not let that happen here. A middle-aged lady said she "escaped" from Russia where, she said, they disbanded the police and replaced them with the militia, many of whom were bought off and where rights were trampled and people disappeared in the middle of the night, etc. We had a young Latina who said she had been believing everything the left was saying because, hey, they were popular people doing the talking, etc. She looked deeper into the issues and saw how wrong they/she was, and she challenged that narrative and as a result lost all of her friends. They called her a traitor to her race. She pointed out hypocrisies such as when the Seattle CHOP zone kicked out the police yet established their own police. She rattled off several salient points of what she learned including how the left, supposedly liberal, categorized people by their immutable characteristics, assigning the appropriate groupthink to each, and woe is the person who does not follow the prescribed agenda for the identity group they are placed in. We also had a speaker from Rumania, under Ceaușescu, and from Bulgaria and a few other places. These foreign-born witnesses have quite the impact.

    It was announced that the online petition against defunding the police had reached its goal of 100,000 signatures in only 4 days. They noted that our City Council has now pushed out by several days the date of their defund vote, now will be August 10. So, an effect is being seen.

    During these speakers, noise from some anti-police protesters was starting to grow but only when all the speakers were done did I walk over to the railing on the elevated courtyard to see how large of an anti-police crowd had gathered. Probably about seven of them across the street, one was a girl separated from the rest of her group who talked loud without a megaphone but you couldn't hear what she was saying as I have found that so often a woman's high-pitched voice obscures her consonants and all you hear are the extended vowel sounds, like squealing on a bad telephone line. I'm sure other women have no problem decoding such noise but I am thankful that I don't care. No wonder she was separated from the rest of her group. They can't stand her squealing, either.

    On the near side of the street, the entire block below us had that 3-foot high temporary metal barrier fence, including at the very ends of the block where the sidewalk met the crosswalk and where the remainder of the anti-police people were gathered, about 12 at each end. There was vocal noise but nothing was coordinated and I didn't study this because I really wanted to go home but could not find an opening in the fence except at the crosswalks where there were anti-police on one side and police on the other side, very near each other, no No-Man's Land this time. I approached the small opening in the fence, figuring I'd have to walk through the anti-police guys to cross the intersection to head for the bus stop, but I was up for it.

    Another pro-police fellow arrived at the fence opening when I did and was already being advised by a policeman to turn around and go to the other end of the sidewalk because at this end there was a large anti-police fellow who was blocking exit to others of us. Large? Heck, he was huge, dressed in black. As the cop said this to us, I looked over the cop's shoulder and saw a third one of us pass through the opening, almost getting blocked by the huge guy except the huge guy seemed distracted by other conversation, dunno, and the third guy got past him with apparent ease. With the cop listening, I told the fellow with me, "Let's just rush him." referring to Huge Guy. The cop didn't stop us and the two of us went through the fence opening and started to point ourselves at the small opening between Huge Guy and one of his compadres. You know, in the manner one navigates his path in a large crowd. Before Huge Guy may have had a chance to realize whether he wanted to block us or not, out of nowhere three cops show up from behind Huge Guy and his compadres and with a hard palm to the shoulder, pushed them out of our way, saying "MOVE!". One pushed guy sassed back, something like "oh, police brutality?" to which I told him, "I just want to get out of here, guy!" I thanked the cops as I passed through. None of us were molested. I went home.

    "To Serve and To Protect". I like it.
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    Re: Defund the Police? How About We Defund the Universities (That Preach Feminism etc)

    They can defund the police all they want, as for me, I'm funding Mr. Samuel Colt.

    A Joetech, like everything thing else in manly life, BUTCHER THEM! It's like taking apart a big chicken with four legs!
    It's 1939 allover again, and we're the ones being assigned gold stars!

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    So the police are agents of oppression? Well, in a way they are in so far as all laws are oppressive in that they forbid you from doing things and the police enforce this seeming oppression. But without laws, and those that enforce them, you end up living in an even more oppressed society.

    If any of you lurkers out there, and maybe a few of our members too have any idealistic notions about what it’s like to live in a place where the police are considered the enemy let me tell you what it’s like from experience.

    I grew up in Northern Ireland during the height of “The Troubles”. Right or wrong (I’ve no intention of getting into that particular debate) the police were seen as the enemy in my community. Talking to them at all, even to report a crime, could get you into serious trouble.

    So, just like recently in CHAZ some people turned to vigilantism as a form of “protecting” the general populace. Without an official police force these people were NECESSARY, but what of the effect?

    Well, the effect was to live in constant fear, and surprisingly you got used to it. EVERY day you would hear gunshots, not on some news bulletin but in reality two streets down and one across. Sometimes (but rarely) right in front of you.

    You see the problem was that these vigilantes, necessary as they were had only one form of applying justice – violence. There were no vigilante jails to lock people up in so punishments would range from warnings, then punishment beatings, to kneecappings and eventually to being shot dead. It’s not that there was no justice it’s just that their options were so limited. And some of it continues to this day.

    Some of my countrymen might object to me using the word vigilante, but please understand I mean no disrespect it’s just that this is the appropriate English word for it, any undertones or overtones you may perceive are your own and are unintentional, I’m just trying to be accurate.

    Add to this there were the riots (some of which I got involved in but I was little more than a child), not dissimilar to what I see going on the streets of America today. O.K. maybe ours were much more violent but it all starts somewhere right? I cannot express just how deeply what I am watching unfolding on your streets saddens me.


    When the peace process here was beginning many of us were talking about whether or not it was right. I remember a conversation I was having with someone who was heavily involved and I won’t put it any clearer than that. We talked and debated for a while over the pros and cons but in the end it came down to one observation I made.

    All of my life, to that point, all I had seen was destruction. Yes the “opposition” caused major hardship for my people and my community, but so did we. We (our side – not me personally) burned or blew-up the buildings that served us. Shoplifting? When we went shoplifting we actually lifted the shops – BOOM! We set fires in our streets using cars from our own community. We burned buses in the roads meaning many didn’t have transport to get to the shops, and even if you had transport you couldn’t get by the burning husks. We effectively made life more difficult for our own.

    I’ve seen people lying dying in the streets from gunshot wounds. I’ve been blown off my feet from the blast of an explosion. I’ve seen whole families dragged kicking and screaming from their own homes. As a ten year old kid I went to visit my classmate who lay in a hospital bed having taken 7 bullets from “security forces” (British army) who opened up on the car he was in, his father the driver dead, for driving down the wrong street at the wrong time.

    And before any of our British members get defensive about the above statement know this: my father (RIP) was English. I’m just speaking facts and not casting aspersions upon a nation.

    Some 40 years later the tears are tripping me as I write this. I still have nightmares about it all, I mean waking up screaming nightmares. The atrocities I have witnessed are many, these are but a few. You want to talk about being a victim or the effects of PTSD? I’m the living embodiment of it as are many of my fellow countrymen.

    And yet, despite all of this I have managed to find some small happiness for myself. But sometimes…

    I ask all of you out there that support defunding the police, is this the life you want for yourselves and your loved ones?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unboxxed View Post
    It was announced that the online petition against defunding the police had reached its goal of 100,000 signatures in only 4 days. They noted that our City Council has now pushed out by several days the date of their defund vote, now will be August 10. So, an effect is being seen.
    I just got an email saying signatures at 115,000 but also this message:

    The Seattle City council is trying to float the idea of completely abolishing the Seattle Police Department in order to make the concept of defunding more reasonable. This is a classic deception tactic and is the reason they have postponed the vote to defund the SPD until 8/10/20.
    They're just asking for Trump to send in federal law enforcement and, coincidentally, so am I.
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