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    Covid Conspiracy Time!

    With phrases like “better safe than sorry” and “better to err on the side of caution” creeping in to news reports it seems that even some parts of the media are slowly beginning to realise that there was an over-reaction to this pandemic, so before they start with their theories about what happened and why, I thought I’d get my oar in.

    I blame – The Medical Profession (the guys at the top, not the surfs)

    But maybe with good reason

    My Theory:

    It’s been building up for years. Bird Flu, Swine Flu, SARS, MERS etc. All of them hit the headlines and all of them caused concern to a certain percentage of the population. And with each of them came the message that next time it could be worse, a lot worse thus raising people’s fears over time that the big one is going to hit and it’s only a matter of time.

    Then along comes Covid-19 and man was that a gift. A new virus for which we have no cure and one which originates in China – a place we have been taught to distrust. Mystery + Killer Disease = huge potential for fearmongering. Add in the build-up we have manufactured over the years and this time we can really scare the shit out of them. Synchronicity. They were waiting for just this opportunity.

    There’s an adage, perhaps apocryphal, that says to prove a crime you must establish means, motive and opportunity. And make no mistake a crime has been committed here: Mass lockdowns, businesses closed, people’s lives being upended and all on the back of an intentionally created hysteria. But back to the adage of means, motive & opportunity:

    The means is access to the media and world leaders – Check.
    The opportunity is the outbreak of a killer disease in mysterious circumstances with hints at a cover-up – Check.

    So what of the motive? Why would the medical community want to cause all this?

    Well one answer might be their own fear, and this is where I think maybe, just maybe they have good reason. For years now we’ve been made aware that medical professionals are feeling undervalued, underpaid, and overworked.

    At the moment they’re being heralded as heroes and IMO it is well deserved, but what is this heroic effort on their part going to get them?

    Take a look at this graph:



    It’s a bit messy I know, but look at the trends. For many years now the number of hospital beds per capita has been in decline (with a few possible exceptions). IMO this should be taken as a direct indication of how our respective governments value the health of the general populace less and less as time passes regardless of their political stance r.e. private vs. public health care.

    Maybe the medical community are trying their best to warn us that things are getting out of hand, that if things continue as they have been going that even a small epidemic might be just too much for us to handle.

    When you strip a system down to its bare bones you lose the ability to react to unforeseeable changes.

    So there you have it: means, motive and opportunity. What do you think?
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    Re: Covid Conspiracy Time!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post


    I have a major problem with this figure. The data for India looks wrong... just feels wrong.... its depicted.. too high !!!

    On serious note, I have heard so many things about Covid-19, and almost every fact has a counter fact I heard somewhere, that I have stopped thinking about it anymore. At this point, I am just curious to see what happens next. The virus aint gonna stay forever, they will mutate into something and will eventually disappear. The governments around the world however, are a different kind of virus species, but virus nonethless.

    And based on what I know about the world, the US is only country remaining in the world where the civilians do have a chance against that virus should they go into Revolution 2.0 mode. But will they ? or when ? I have no idea. As for other countries, the police will fire few rounds in the air and most people will disperse, easy mode.
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    Re: Covid Conspiracy Time!

    I started this thread as a conspiracy theory thread about the coronavirus.

    Last time I pointed the finger at the medical community. Unsurprisingly it didn’t get much traction. I was going to build up to the big one, but decided to bring it forward in the hope that it may spark more interest.

    As I said, last time I accused the medical community. But that was then and this is now. Today…

    I Blame … The Politicians

    And again there may be good reason.

    Means, Motive & Opportunity:

    As the world’s decision makers the means should need no further explanation.
    The opportunity is the same: A killer virus we have no cure for.

    So again that leaves motive. Well what about:


    Motive 1 – A drill:

    With advances in technology and the ever increasing understanding of biology and DNA there is also the ever increasing risk of biological warfare. Yes it is banned under numerous international treaties but you have to allow for the possibility of someone, sometime, under some circumstance breaking ranks and utilising such a tool.

    How are we prepared for such an attack?

    The only way to know with any degree of certainty is to carry out a drill. Questions need answering:

    How is our medical staff equipped to deal with a national emergency?
    How quickly can we get the general populace to follow guidelines and under what circumstances?
    How fast can we get medical facilities and equipment to where their needed?
    How effectively can we get industry to get ‘on board’ and manufacture what we decide is needed?
    How effectively can we shut down our borders?
    At what stage do we need to employ the military?

    Each of these questions, and I’m sure you can add a few can now be answered, at least to some extent.


    Motive 2: The upsides versus the downsides, politically speaking:

    Upsides:

    A MASSIVE amount of data accumulated.
    Politicians can claim they care: lives over economy and money.
    Politicians get to test their power and see how far they can push/control both citizens and businesses.

    Downsides:

    If this turns out to be less dangerous than predicted, it adds to the ever increasing list of scares. SARS, MERS, Bird Flu, Swine Flu etc. all of which carried devastating consequences for those concerned and I don’t mean to minimise that, but the media overhyped them with the cumulative effect of diminishing returns, the boy that cried wolf so to speak. This time though for some reason everything came together and the world went into panic mode. If this panic does not turn out to be warranted – another wolf cry – what way will people react to the next big scare? Will they react according to the level of threat or will they think ‘oh well, here we go again!’ and maybe ignore the signs when the real big one hits that wipes us all out.

    This could be a biggie. At some stage countries need to be re-opened for normal business. Once a Prime Minister / President / or any other decision maker decides to re-open society every following death will be attributed to him – News Headlines: 1000 dead since country opened up again – this is on the head of (insert head of state here).


    I think, on average, this is probably a net plus for the government in power depending on how well they can spin things. Remember, when it comes to getting elected politicians tend to think short term.

    Motive 3: Increasing Polarisation

    For many years now the world seems to have been polarising. Countries are moving more to the left or the right and each side is finding it more difficult to find common ground with their political opponents.

    If this left/right polarisation continues civil war is probably inevitable in multiple countries, maybe even simultaneously. For years now we have been seeing our politicians segregating and becoming more and more intractable in their stances. Our politicians are finding it difficult to find any common ground at all.

    Enter Coronavirus (Covid-19).

    While some politicians still seem intent on manipulating this crises to their advantage, what is being shown is that political opponents can come together for a common cause. This is an important example for the world. No matter our petty differences, when the shit hits the fan we can come together – IT IS POSSIBLE, OUR DIFFERENCES ARE NOT INSURMOUNTABLE.

    Maybe on some summit or other they came up with a joint plan to scare the shit out of people enough to make them realise that they are better off working together, thus decreasing the chances of all out civil war. A stretch? Maybe. But if all are thinking along the same lines it may be easier than it would otherwise seem.

    Yes there is a moral side to this, but politicians are not exactly known as paradigms of ethics. But solely on the political side of things no elected representative wants to be the guy that’s on watch when their country turns to shit (civil war).

    So here are three possible motives, maybe you can come up with more. Any country could see any one of these as just cause, but with all three? Or more? It is distinctly possible that governments have used this opportunity to their maximum advantage.


    Coming up: I Blame: The Media

    Note: This is not an attempt to assign blame as might be inferred from the text. This is an attempt to predict what the media might claim in the coming weeks / months; an attempt to show that no matter the truth the facts can be twisted to support any view you choose.
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    "It’s a bit messy I know, but look at the trends. For many years now the number of hospital beds per capita has been in decline (with a few possible exceptions). IMO this should be taken as a direct indication of how our respective governments value the health of the general populace less and less as time passes regardless of their political stance r.e. private vs. public health care."

    I disagree. Advances in medicine would reduce the need for hospital beds. The ability to diagnose and address needs has also gotten faster. The rising cost of manpower has taken us from an environment where we let people recover in hospital to one where we let them recover at home and check back as an out-patient is another.
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    Re: Covid Conspiracy Time!

    Quote Originally Posted by sam luis obispo View Post

    I disagree. Advances in medicine would reduce the need for hospital beds. The ability to diagnose and address needs has also gotten faster. The rising cost of manpower has taken us from an environment where we let people recover in hospital to one where we let them recover at home and check back as an out-patient is another.
    Fair points to be sure, and maybe that is the reasoning behind it at least initially, but when resources are reduced to the point that many of our hospitals here in Ireland, and I'm sure in other places also, consistantly have people waiting (and in some cases dying) in corridors due to a lack of hospital beds something more must be going on.

    With every budget come cries from the medical community for more resources, and for good reason. Yet year after year spending is decreasing (in per capita terms).

    Our hospitals are struggling during normal times, we're fucked if there is ever a major epidemic much more serious than this one.
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    Re: Covid Conspiracy Time!

    Today’s conspiracy theory, as promised:

    I Blame: The Media.

    Again I’ll concentrate on motive. What possible motive could the media have to create such a response?

    Well, I suppose the most basic answer would be that they’ve been doing this for years. Instead of simply reporting on world events they exaggerate their importance, ostensibly in an attempt to increase their ratings. Maybe this time things just got out of hand; they have gotten so good at shock and awe that this time they hit the mark with everyone and the result was widespread panic.

    But there are possibly other explanations.

    Those in the media are attention whores. They seem to have some sort of need to have everyone hang on their every word. Lately, however, they’ve been coming under attack most notably from Donald Trump – fake news – but he’s only making the same observations many of us have seen for a long time. Add to this the rise of social media where many are now looking for their news and confidence in the mainstream media is at an all time low.

    This undermining of their credibility could not go unanswered. They had to show the world just how important their voices are and how much weight they carry. “Take us for granted will you? We’ll flex our muscles and show you just how much influence we really have. They were just waiting for such an opportunity.


    Last but not least, what with their obvious political agendas goodness knows what other motives they may have. Causing financial and social destabilisation which they can then blame on the current administration in the hope of removing them from power is one that comes to mind.
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    Re: Covid Conspiracy Time!

    I think they are running shit-scared. The F'd up the worlds economy,..the stock markets..the ability for Nations to peacefully get along and now they are throwing everything they have plus the Kitchen Sink into the mix. People are waking up to the shenanigans they have gotten away with. Protests in France,..Hong Kong..and various countries were escalating. The Peoples money and wealth have been stolen and these international Govt. bitches are a bit concerned with keeping their heads and keeping us under chains.
    The W.H.O. the CDC and other international Health Org's are not our friends and indeed are complicit in our demise....think agenda 2021-2030 and all the rest..
    This CV-19 and talk of forced Vaccines and lock downs are their hastily applied last ditch weapon against us.

    For F's sake we gotta wake up and say NO!

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    Re: Covid Conspiracy Time!

    ok that was my shotgun conspiracy shot.

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    Re: Covid Conspiracy Time!

    Due to the harsh environment in the past. The human brain is hardwired by evolution to detect patterns. The caveman who dismissed a rustle in the grass for the wind and it turned out to be a lion got eaten. The caveman who assumed every rustle in the grass was a lion until proven otherwise was far more likely to survive however annoying !!!


    A byproduct of our brains falling on the side of caution is the need to find patterns. We see people and animals in the night sky which our brain trying to make sense of the randomness of the star positions. Ask yourself why astrology is so popular ? Because it implies something is in control, people read vague statements in a magazine and their inbuilt conformation bias counts the "hits" and forgets the "misses".


    Humans are very uncomfortable on a psychological level that their lives are affected by random events. They need to imagine an evil intelligence behind what happened. Psychologists call this agency detection. Conspiracy theories are the naturally evolved result of our brains failing on the side of caution and in the vast majority of cases they are wrong.


    We see groups of rich and powerful people and automatically assume they are up to no good by default because this is what our out of date caveman brains are hardwired to do.
    It's more comfortable to believe the US government was behind 9/11 than unable to prevent it.
    It's more comfortable to believe scientists are hiding the cure for cancer than unable to cure it.
    It's more comfortable to believe a high school shooting was faked than a random man just did it for unknown reasons.

    Onto the current virus outbreak, so far on Facebook I have read..........
    *It was created so the government could kill off old people.
    *It was created by China along with the cure to be used as a weapon against the rest of the world. So China would be the world power.
    *It was created by America or Bill Gates so the pharmaceutical industry could profit from the vaccine.
    *It was caused by 5G and is not a virus.
    *It was created so 5G could be installed secretly while everyone was on lockdown.
    *It was caused by GMOs and is not a virus
    *The virus is fake and all the victims on the news are crisis actors.
    *The virus is natural but the cure is being hidden (you can just buy it off my website)


    The existence of multiple, mutually exclusive theories is typical of most major events in history.
    The believers in one theory will always give me the "wake up sheepie" speech but almost never criticize the believers in another theory.
    I have even had several people post one theory, then post another a week later which completely contradicts the first one which shows how desperate the human mind needs to find patterns.

    Ask yourselves......……..
    What makes the theory you believe any more credible than any other on this list ?
    Why do the believers in these rival theories think the way they do ?
    Place yourself in the position of the conspirators how would you go from plan to event ?
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    Re: Covid Conspiracy Time!

    Well Bro... you just knocked all the fun out of this "CONSPIRACY" thread.. J/K
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    Re: Covid Conspiracy Time!

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoppes#9 View Post
    Well Bro... you just knocked all the fun out of this "CONSPIRACY" thread.. J/K
    Maybe, but I’ll do my best to keep it going for one last theory.

    What stanmsl says is quite correct and is at least in part what I was trying to get at. People do indeed like to see patterns and they also like to apportion blame. This makes us vulnerable to all sorts of nonsense theories – and that is why the MSM is so popular, they understand this and use it to prey on us, to control us, to make us see things their way.

    Today’s theory: The Perfect Storm.

    Quote Originally Posted by stanmsl View Post
    Place yourself in the position of the conspirators how would you go from plan to event ?
    There was no need.

    An unfortunate event happened that everyone of influence seen as an opportunity that they could turn to their advantage. Each fed off the other, supporting each other to attain their goals: as long as I can get some attention that allows me to get what I want let the rest of the world be damned.

    The medical community gets to highlight their importance and need for extra funding.
    The politicians get to show their caring side; we will do whatever it takes to protect the vulnerable.
    The media gets a huge boost in ratings because everyone is wondering what the F*** is going to happen next.

    The end result: Practically the whole planet is placed under house arrest, but this is unimportant to them so long as they get what they want. When things die down, as they inevitably will, they will have achieved their goals and be better off.

    Maybe.

    As I said, people like to apportion blame and this could be the eventual downfall of all these invested parties. Once the dust has settled look out for the recriminations. Society has suffered and will continue to suffer for a long time to come even after we all get ‘back to normal’, if indeed that will happen.

    Are we destined to become a populace that is afraid to interact with each other? Are face masks, gloves and social distancing to become the norm?

    The sheer notion of this both terrifies and disgusts me.

    In the event of a biological attack or truly devastating pandemic in the short term it may be warranted, but to live the rest of my life like that? – No way, what would be the point? Survival? To what end?
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