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    caliber debate

    22LR the go to. 1 cheap and you can carry a lot of round. Being cheap you can put a lot of rounds down range to become very skilled. Bug out gun for hunting and self defense.

    243 Winchester. Good for all large game except brown bear or larger. If you can't do it with a .243 you should not be in the woods hunting.

    12g simply because it is the most common round and you can find them everywhere.


    Just for the fun of it round. 10mm auto. Hot round and takes time to get use to shooting.

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    Re: caliber debate

    For a rifle round I suggest either a super common civilian round or military cartridge for availability.

    .243 is a great cartridge, a .308 winchester case necked down to fit a smaller 6mm bullet. Extremely fast and flat shooting.

    But if you head to unknown parts to bug out, or a hunting trip to Canada, will you find more ammo?

    .308 Win or .30-06 Springfield are widely available, as well as one of my favorites, .30-30 Winchester. A Marlin lever action is a great all around rifle. Need horsepower? Try the 1895 Guide Gun in
    45-70!

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    Re: caliber debate

    Here are the calibers I prefer:

    9mm Kahr handgun - light weight and excellent for hiking
    12-gauge shotgun - next to my bed

    .22lr rifle - semi-automatic
    HK 46x30mm Heckler & Koch MP7 rifle/handgun
    .308 rifle - both semi-automatic and bolt action - bolt actions very easy to maintain
    .375 H&H magnum bolt action (I call it "the poor mans 50 cal")

    These six firearms and you and yours are set for whatever happens.

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    Re: caliber debate

    9mm for hang gun.
    223 for rifle
    12 guage and 22 for hunting.

    No need for anything else, but if there were, I need a bigger trailer to carry everything.
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    Blue rounds 308 practice rounds from Germany. I do not have a 308, but this might be an interesting practice round to shoot.


    blue plastic 308 german practice ammo

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    And just where are we bugging out to?
    I can load for every caliber I shoot except the .22 rim fire. From .32 to .50cal. Yup, cast the boolits too. Shot shell? .410 to 10 ga.
    Plenty of wood for the fire place, has insert, puts most of the heat in the house.
    Live in a small rural town, not too worried about roving marauders.
    Nope, I am staying put. The people who bug out, and show up here, are the ones getting hurt. Unless of course I know them.
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    This is a great topic. And there are two theories which control the tactics. If you are required to "bug-out" carry capacity is a BIG issue. .22LR is the way to go, and there are plenty of rifles out there that use this round and most are excellent. GregBo's bolt action old Mossberg comes to mind---love that rifle. I have the Ruger 10/22 tricked out as a mini-assault gun and a Savage MK II target rifle. In a survival situation in which you must travel I recommend the Ruger single six---solid reliable AND you can change out the cylinder to one that takes .22 mag.

    If on the other hand you are sheltering in place ammo storage isn't a problem. .243 is OK but I prefer 6.5 swedish or 7.5 swiss. A real pragmatist would settle for a M-1 carbine (fantastic firearm) AND Ruger makes a New Model Blackhawk pistol chambered in the same caliber/30 cal carbine.

    In the event of mass shortages the three most come pistol cartridges are going to be .40, 9mm, and .38. I hate .40 but having a handgun chambered for one/other/both of the other two is great idea. And most .357s will chamber .38 so again you have a firearm with multiple ammunition capability.

    If limited to 3 guns my pick is the Tanfoglio TZ-75, S&W 28, and AK-47.

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    I believe the best caliber would be one that is easy to find ammo for. Since a lot of people will be carrying a 9mm. or .223. It would be prudent to have those. The .22 rimfire would be good to have, but most auto's won't function on smaller than LR. It would also depend on what part of the country one lives in, to what is the most scrounge-able ammo. It would also be a consideration to how MANY guns one would have.
    If only one, 12 ga. From bird-shot to slugs, you are armed well.
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    Re: caliber debate

    I want a 155mm Howitzer! My problems tend to get out of hand and always grow larger than expected!


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    Imagine the fireworks you could launch with that howitzer.

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    What kind of mileage do ya get with that rig??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knarley Bob View Post
    What kind of mileage do ya get with that rig??
    Doesn't matter when the government's buying the fuel! Hell, for that matter, give me a couple C-130 gunships!


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    Quote Originally Posted by PistolPete View Post
    In the event of mass shortages the three most come pistol cartridges are going to be .40, 9mm, and .38. I hate .40 but having a handgun chambered for one/other/both of the other two is great idea. And most .357s will chamber .38 so again you have a firearm with multiple ammunition capability.

    If limited to 3 guns my pick is the Tanfoglio TZ-75, S&W 28, and AK-47.
    Very true regarding the versatility of a .357 wheel gun, something to give serious consideration to.

    My three bugout weapons would be a Beretta 92-FS, AR-15 and a M6 scout survival (.410 and .22 LR). If for no other reason than they accept common rounds and I have fired them frequently over 30 years.

    If sheltered at home, then the Mossberg 44 .22 and a Remington 870 .12 will replace the M6 scout, a Schmidt Rubin K31 would replace the AR-15, and the 92-FS would remain in place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knarley Bob View Post
    I believe the best caliber would be one that is easy to find ammo for. It would also be a consideration to how MANY guns one would have.
    If only one, 12 ga. From bird-shot to slugs, you are armed well.
    A very key point, let your rounds determine which weapon you use if you have multiple weapons in each caliber. If you only have one or two types of ammo, then you have to consider the versatility the ammo provides the weapon.

    There is no sense in carrying a weapon that is picky about the type of ammo when a misfire is critical.

    This comes back to practicing, practicing and practicing some more. 400+ rounds a session may see excessive, but this lets you know the capabilities of the ammo, weapon and yourself prior to needing to use the weapon in a survival situation.
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    Re: caliber debate

    Seriously? Way down the road of Armageddon I would want all my skills in archery, only because powering them is by muscle and they have more penetration power than most small arms!

    Check out this guy and you'll be a believer! Learn his technique and you'll be M-16 LETHAL!




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    Nonsense tower--the maximum velocity of an arrow launched from a bow is about 400 fps. Even an old style muzzle loading pistol with a light load works up to about 600. My 10mm is about 1100 FPS. Even CO2 BB guns can get up to 400 FPS---see Daisy Powerline!

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    Amazing video Tower, thanks for sharing. The analogy I would offer however is that Lars is a WWII Tiger tank and while he will ultimately die after killing lots of gangbangers (WWII Russian T-34 tank), the time, effort and skill level spent for him to reach this level is much much higher that the gangbangers with their guns.

    Great video though.
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    That video is NUTS!!! I started shooting archery when I was a kid, ain't never seen anything like that! WOW!! I hope he's on our side.
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    Great Post and picture!

    This was an actual railway artillery design that had two production pieces of which one actually fired in combat. The third was never finished.

    A fantastic piece of military history, thank you.

    ------------------------------------------------ Wikipedia ------------------------------------------------ Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwerer_Gustav ---------------------------------------------

    Schwerer Gustav
    (English: Heavy Gustaf) was a German 80 cm (31.5 in.) railway gun. It was developed in the late 1930s by Krupp in Darłowo (then Rügenwalde) as siege artillery for the explicit purpose of destroying the main forts of the French Maginot Line, the strongest fortifications in existence at the time. The fully assembled gun weighed nearly 1,350 tonnes, and could fire shells weighing seven tonnes to a range of 47 kilometres (29 mi).[1] The gun was designed in preparation for the Battle of France, but was not ready for action when the battle began, and in any case the Wehrmacht's Blitzkrieg offensive through Belgium rapidly outflanked and isolated the Maginot Line's static defenses, eventually forcing the French to surrender and making their destruction unnecessary. Gustav was later deployed in the Soviet Union during the Battle of Sevastopol, part of Operation Barbarossa, where, among other things, it destroyed a munitions depot located roughly 30 meters below ground level.[2] The gun was moved to Leningrad, and may have been intended to be used in the Warsaw Uprising like other German heavy siege pieces, but the rebellion was crushed before it could be prepared to fire. Gustav was destroyed by the Germans near the end of the war in 1945 to avoid capture by the Red Army.

    Schwerer Gustav was the largest-calibre rifled weapon ever used in combat and, in terms of overall weight, the heaviest mobile artillery piece ever built. It fired the heaviest shells of any artillery piece.[3][4] It is surpassed in calibre only by the unused British Mallet's Mortar and the American Little David bomb-testing mortar (both 36 inch; 914 mm).
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