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    Bad Is Good

    Ugh, Meat Bad, Veg Good.

    This is the message from the Neanderthals that want to convert everyone to vegetarianism.

    Am I the only one with a problem with the ads for the new Impossible Burger?

    I have to admit at first I was intrigued. I was curious enough to think about trying one for myself just to see if I could tell the difference, but then I started to wonder just how are they achieving this; are they using meat additives to get the taste and texture they desire? A little research was all it took to dispel me of this and any notion of trying it for myself.

    I know many here do not watch telly any more, so for those unaware of this thing it is basically a veggie burger made to taste, smell and look like a real burger, and I chose the word ‘real’ deliberately.

    The ads I’ve seen say ‘Turns out beef lovers like plants too’ or some such. Since when did liking meat preclude liking veg? I LOVE my meat, but I also love my veg, but let’s leave the carnivore / vegetarian / vegan argument aside for the moment.

    The Impossible Burger 2.0:

    From CNET:

    https://www.cnet.com/how-to/impossib...-need-to-know/

    This unprecedented burger concoction is built on four ingredient foundations: protein, fat, binders and flavor.

    The protein in an Impossible Burger isn't animal flesh; rather, it's a blend of soy and potato proteins.

    ……

    The juicy sizzle when an Impossible Burger hits the pan or grill comes from coconut oil and sunflower oil, the burger's fat sources. To hold everything together, Impossible Foods uses methylcellulose, a bulk-forming binder that also serves as a great source of fiber.

    ……

    As for flavor, well, this is where things get interesting. Impossible Foods employs heme as the main flavor compound in its burger. Heme is an iron-containing compound found in all living organisms. Plants, animals, bacteria, fungi... if it's alive, it contains heme.

    In animals, heme is an important part of the protein hemoglobin, which carries oxygen throughout your body via blood. Know how your mouth tastes metallic when you accidentally bite your lip? That's heme.

    In plants, heme still carries oxygen, just not via blood. The Impossible Burger contains heme from the roots of soy plants, in the form of a molecule called leghemoglobin. Food scientists insert DNA from soy roots into a genetically modified yeast, where it ferments and produces large quantities of soy heme.

    ……

    What's the deal with glyphosate?

    Impossible Foods' burger is made from genetically modified soy, and its characteristic "bleed" comes from soy leghemoglobin (which later turns to heme) that's made from genetically engineered yeast.

    The FDA approved the leghemoglobin as safe, and there's no proof that genetically modified organisms cause disease, but some consumers worry about traces of glyphosate in Impossible Burgers, which comes from those genetically modified soybeans.

    Glyphosate is an herbicide that's been linked to a significantly increased risk of cancer, but the US Environmental Protection Agency says the herbicide "is not likely to be carcinogenic to humans." Conflicting evidence and statements abound across research studies and regulatory agencies.


    From Wikipedia:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methyl_cellulose

    Methyl cellulose (or methylcellulose) is a chemical compound derived from cellulose. It is sold under a variety of trade names and is used as a thickener and emulsifier in various food and cosmetic products, and also as a bulk-forming laxative. Like cellulose, it is not digestible, not toxic, and not an allergen.

    In 2016 it was the 155th most prescribed medication in the United States with more than 4 million prescriptions.

    ……

    Lubricant

    Methyl cellulose may be used in personal lubricant; it is the main ingredient in K-Y Jelly.

    ……

    Construction materials

    Methyl cellulose finds a major application as a performance additive in construction materials.


    Still want to eat one of these monstrosities?

    Maybe they’re trying to kill off everyone that likes the taste and texture of meat; save the planet, kill the people. (Sarc.)
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    Re: Bad Is Good

    Isn't Methyl cellulose combined with boric acid what they use to make ping pong balls? Nitro cellulose laquer, and movie film?

    Thanks, J! You just moved me further to the right and self sufficiency, next round of goats I'm not forming any personal bonds that prevent me from slaughter, so I wont be forced to make a last minute consideration to start a goat brothels!

    I reciently bought a combination tomato milling machine with optional sausage-hamburger attachment! I have the dual axle camper stripped down to the floor and almost ready for reconstruction! A veggie meat processing trailer with fryolator and flat iron grill, everything I'll need to process my own food staples! Goat in one end, sausage and hamburger out the other, or tomato in one end, jars of spaghetti sauce out the other! I have almost all the stainless steel I'll need for the counter tops. I'll drain the spoils on the garden and till them in. I don't trust the food supply, I have reason to believe it's contaminate with acceptable levels of of radio isotopes, heavy metals, and agricultural petrol chemicals, herbicides, and pesticides! The more the food chain becomes contaminated, the higher they raise the acceptable limits, how bat shit crazy is that?

    Bhaaa bhaa burgers and sausage, with spaghetti and Bambi meat balls at Towers!

    ^^^That'll raise the sausage police's eyebrows! I'm known for raising eyebrows by the metric ton!

    I'll make a video, Bambi meets Buzz Saw...


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    Re: Bad Is Good

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    Bhaaa bhaa burgers and sausage, with spaghetti and Bambi meat balls at Towers!
    Sounds good. When's the barbi? I'll bring the refreshments!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    The more the food chain becomes contaminated, the higher they raise the acceptable limits, how bat shit crazy is that?
    Ya can't stand in the way of progress man. (sarc)
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    Re: Bad Is Good

    In my browser, on this page, I did Ctrl+F "soy", it said 7 matches. Hmmm.... sounds like a freakin' soy burger !!! Oh wait... it really is...
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    Re: Bad Is Good

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    Sounds good. When's the barbi? I'll bring the refreshments!

    If anyone's alarmed about my new Bambi burgers hamburgers, count your blessings I'm not roasting them live like some cultures do! Not that I'm not tempted!

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    Re: Bad Is Good

    The Impossible Burger is, as I see it just another gimmick. But people are investing millions in it because they see the meat industry is ancient and needs a ''revolution''. They think the meat industry will die out. But by introducing vegan alternatives and more people becoming vegan tree huggers - this only means the demand for meat lessens, thereby forcing factories to offer higher quality alternatives and improve their QA.

    The impossible burger will not be able to perfectly replicate meat. It just isn't possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post
    this only means the demand for meat lessens, thereby forcing factories to offer higher quality alternatives and improve their QA.
    I salute your optimism, but I fear the reality will be the introduction of 'advanced meat products' in order to compete in the media's eye i.e. meat with additives just like they're doing with milk - fortified milk, milk plus, milk with added vitamins and supplements.

    And in order to buy real, pure meat (if that's even possible any more) prices will go through the roof.

    Edit: Remember, they've been working hard on 'growing' meat products in labs, they'll be able to add God knows what to this stuff.
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    Re: Bad Is Good

    I saw a video where they use soy beans and wood chips to make pellet stove pellets, it's the only use for a soy burger I can think of...

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    Re: Bad Is Good

    Tower I agree about the food chain.....and "Home made foods"

    Back before my divorce , when I still had my land, I raised Goats, flocks of Chickens and meat Rabbits along with 2-3 acres of food plots. I can swear my overall Health was a couple notches better than it is at the moment living in the city and all.

    Here in the South we have an old Cherokee word for vegan = "piss poor hunter"

    Bambi Burgers......mmmmm!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoppes#9 View Post
    Tower I agree about the food chain.....and "Home made foods"

    Back before my divorce , when I still had my land, I raised Goats, flocks of Chickens and meat Rabbits along with 2-3 acres of food plots. I can swear my overall Health was a couple notches better than it is at the moment living in the city and all.

    Here in the South we have an old Cherokee word for vegan = "piss poor hunter"

    Bambi Burgers......mmmmm!
    I agree about eating your own food stuffs, The only thing my goats were ever injected with was antibiotics after a stray pitbull attack! I use ZERO weedkiller, zero industrial fertilizers, I make my own from premium raw chemical compounds where I control the heavy metal content contaminants to the lowest fraction available to man, mainly uranium found in agricultural grade mono potassium phosphate aka mono-basic or MPK. I'm even aware of and limit chromium contamination from welding with alloys like chromemolly chromium and molybdenum are very toxic to human beings, I ventilate to extremes without blowing away the shield gasses needed to isolate from our oxygen enriched environment. When I start thinking on a molar level the little things become BIG! (Avogadro's number)

    I've seen places in heavy industrialized areas where people walked through junkyard oil and contaminants into a poultry processor right next door! Shit like that makes me think twice about food and the derivatives that make it up! They'er not listing any heavy metal when they list the ingredients, but I know for a fact they're there!

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    Re: Bad Is Good

    Okay, back on topic, my skull computer just raddled out another injustice dictated by the laws of equality, Rowe vs. Wade, why is it not our right to denounce our genetic material in the form abortion termination just as they do? Have our portion of responsibility and choice in the same light of truth they do? I'm talking equal abortion rights, where all abide under the same laws and same rights, even going so far as giving us the right to terminate based solely on our choice of gender!

    The reason it's not our right is the same reason it's not their right, because nobody has the right to terminate another human being, it's a transgression, not a right, and another point in prophecy when right is wrong and wrong is right, and damn few human beings appear to have the wisdom to know the difference!

    The real bitch in all of this? Now through tax code and entitlement, all are forced to fund this transgression of human rights based solely on the choice of one while excluding the other based on gender. Why can't we all be barbarians and terminate the next generation? What's good for the geese should also include the gander, it's quite apparent that equal rights in the hands of women is barbaric and tyrannical by all definitions.

    The only way I found my rights in this given situation of gender dynamics is the only option we have, and that's to throw out the baby with the bathwater, with the bathwater symbolizing women, they both go in the garbage can and problem solved!

    There's no freedom of choice when we don't have a choice to make, only whats dictated, so why negotiate? Walk away, hands clean, a free man, instead of a slave!

    Slavery is real gentlemen, it's only difference is the form it takes and who it enslaves!

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    @ Tower

    All I can add to this post is that even when women who are opposed to abortion speak up, their focus is on the rights of the unborn child, where it should be of course, but never do I hear any of them concerned with what men think on the subject. In a way it's still all about them.
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