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    Advice NEEDED again.

    Gentleman,

    I have been interviewing for two jobs.
    One role which I interviewed for, gave me a job offer yesterday, and I verbally accepted. The contract is yet to be sent and signed. I have not had a look through the contract so I am not sure about the specifics.

    The other role, I got a call today and they have also decided to offer me a job, and for an extra £5000 per year.
    Which is a significant amount of money.

    Now that this company has accepted me, and offer significantly more money, is there any chance I can call the other company and tell them that "I have been offered better pay elsewhere, can you match my offer".

    I like both companies and if the other company can give an extra £5000 then I would accept their offer.

    How should I go on about explaining this situation to the hiring manager in a professional manner?
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    Re: Advice NEEDED again.

    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post
    Gentleman,

    I have been interviewing for two jobs.
    One role which I interviewed for, gave me a job offer yesterday, and I verbally accepted. The contract is yet to be sent and signed. I have not had a look through the contract so I am not sure about the specifics.

    The other role, I got a call today and they have also decided to offer me a job, and for an extra £5000 per year.
    Which is a significant amount of money.

    Now that this company has accepted me, and offer significantly more money, is there any chance I can call the other company and tell them that "I have been offered better pay elsewhere, can you match my offer".

    I like both companies and if the other company can give an extra £5000 then I would accept their offer.

    How should I go on about explaining this situation to the hiring manager in a professional manner?
    Be straight forward with them and tell them it's an extra £8500, and see if they'll mach that! It's just numbers anyway, what's a few more? The government does it all the time!
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    Re: Advice NEEDED again.

    Hmm... how will you feel ongoing if you accept the first lower-paying job that you could have had £5000 more? Will you have regret? At each payday, will you think, what if...


    There was a time where I'd say, go with the first company, a man's word is his bond kind of thing. But that is when I thought people were noticing this nobility. Perhaps I got that idea from watching too many TV Westerns in my youth. Today, I don't think people take time to notice such notions but only notice when they think they are jacked around.

    If the second higher paying job is yours for merely accepting it, if that's true, then what have you got to lose by telling the first company that this choice has happened in only a day's time? If you explain it sincerely, you can expect it to be sincerely heard.

    If you do this, I'd say call them soon, so if you take the second job, this first company doesn't feel held up in moving on to the next candidate on their list.
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    Re: Advice NEEDED again.

    Wait until you have both contracts in hand.

    Legally and morally, you don't really have a contract, a binding obligation, until you sign it and mail it back to them (either physically in a mail box, or electronically via e-mail with a "received" receipt - the acceptance has to leave your control.)

    Compare both, detail by detail. Make sure you are comparing apples to apples, not apples to oranges.

    Consider intangibles, such as corporate "culture," who you would be working for, which company likes to fire people months after they hire them, which company is more a "fit" with your personality and personal quirks, which company is more likely to promote you.

    In which company will you thrive?

    Which company is likely to go out of business before you are ready to move on?

    Who will you wind up working for? Your immediate supervisory chain is more important that the actual company.

    Commuting is unpaid over time. Even if the commute to one company is one hour longer, over the course of a year, you will lose 300 hours a year, and be that much more exposed to accidents if you are driving.

    Are you accepting a newly created position? Is the position vital to the core mission, or an experimental one that will be phased out when it is discovered that it is a "Passing fad?"

    Are you filling a vacancy they are trying to fill because they the last three guys in that job were fired or quit in the last two years?

    What does your "gut" or your "Spider sense" tell you about the company. Yes, you did well at the interview, but did somebody on the hiring committee, who will have a lot of influence on your job, give you a creepy vibe? A two faced vibe? A backstabber vibe?

    Finally, which company has a more gynocentric environment. Are you stepping into a potential land mine?
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    A date is a woman you occasionally financially support in the hope she will have sex with you.

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    Re: Advice NEEDED again.

    Thank you MGTOWER, UNBOXXED and special thanks to Sam Luis. You guys have really helped me look at this situation differently.

    @Sam, I think the best options is to actually stay at my current gig. The company is safe - they don't promote, but they do pay very well and the job is very easy to do. Overtime, bonus, expenses, business trip allowance etc all payed for and it is a huge company which is Covid proof - essential industry. Plus, my cunt manager is taking maternity leave in less than a month.

    The other two new job offers - there is room for growth, but they are VERY gynocentric companies and female work force is 90%+. Which is not an issue, but their missions statement and the particular industry they are involved in is a female centric and they like to boast about gender pay gap, etc etc. Plus both industries are based on luxury goods - people will stop buying immediately once they lose jobs and another pandemic hits.

    The only issue I have at my current role is lack of progression, the pay increases year on year (on a good year I can get plus 10% increases). But they have not promoted me even to an assistant manager position; which is frustrating but at the same time I am making more money with less responsibilities and stress.
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    Re: Advice NEEDED again.

    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post
    Plus both industries are based on luxury goods - people will stop buying immediately once they lose jobs and another pandemic hits.
    A smart observation.

    I am making more money with less responsibilities and stress.
    That's a plus.
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    Re: Advice NEEDED again.

    Dear opaque -- I am new to the forum, and wanted to share a few thoughts with you as I have a decent amount of experience with job switching, salary negotiations and generally working the corporate ladder. Most of your conclusions + comments so far seem good at first blush, so I only raise deeper points which you may find of value.

    1. Regarding the negotiations. Its unfortunate you gave a verbal acceptance immediately , but it is still best for you to (re)negotiate with the first company and inform them in very polite and straightforward terms that a second opportunity that you thought was unlikely came up in a day and has offered 8500 more (you should always inflate figures within reason - this is one of the keys to getting more money thru time and how I have gotten nearly all of my raises). They may be a bit irked but if they liked you enough to make an offer they'll consider matching; this has happen to me before. Keep in mind they all know the game; it's like a cockroach -- if you are looking for one job you are looking for twenty, and that means a bunch of shit is in motion and wires can get crossed. If they are professional and you are adequately contrite in the discussion I dont think they should be too put off.

    2. Regarding the workplace culture. It's good to trust your gut, but I would question if you are biased here. In my experience you are not escaping gynocentrisim, feminisim and diversity and inclusion hell in any workplace in the west anymore. I suspect you are looking at the specifics of your current situation compared to a general gut instinct on the other two opportunities. You never know if your current company will stay constant in this regard - just look at what's going on in 2020 with the insane virtue signaling in corporate america. I think those of us who continue to work under this system have to accept you need to deal with this anywhere. Maybe you are right on the margins. But you already said your boss is a woman currently so how much better can it be. Also, you may find that a female dominated workforce is easier to grinfuck because if there's one thing women can hate almost as much as men it is other women who they are directly competing with. Of course, all interactions with women should be avoided but as those of us in the corporate world have no choice you may have to consider this.

    3. Finally, a bit more philosophical - I'd consider what you want out of this career life. Are you looking for something to pay the bills while you maximize the $$$:Work effort ratio? If so your current gig seems best. Or are you looking to, reasonably quickly, accumulate wealth so you can get the fuck out of this slavery, go start something different, etc. If so, maybe having a stagnant job isn't the best for you. Only you can know this.
    That said, for what its worth 10% per annum raises are pretty damn good in the west especially when inflation has averaged less than 2% the past decade.

    4. One other - I'd be cautious about your assumption that you are safer in your current than the new jobs. If those companies are still hiring now then presumably they are doing that with their eyes open. Are they parts of bigger corporations or small business? If the former it's very unlikely they'd keep hiring people they see a reasonable chance to fire if we have another leg down (every HR/talent dept worth its salt would be considering this right now). Companies are loathe to fire new hires because the cost of hiring is huge and they chose you for a reason and they dont yet know if you are good or bad, and also it's very bad for reputation. But they likely have a lot of existing employees who arent working out who'd be ahead of you on the chopping block. And your current company which seemingly doesnt value you enough to promote you despite good work, but keeps paying you more, may see you as the fat to trim. Just a thought to consider; your point about the industry difference influencing this outcome may well be true though.

    That is all - I am playing a bit contrarian in these points just to give you the alternate viewpoints to consider. Overall I think your initial reasoning and logic is fair but worth thinking through all angles given its an important decision.

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    Opaque, do you think you could use the offer with the 5k raise as leverage to negotiate a higher salary with your present job? After all, while your supervisor takes maternity leave, could you not justify more pay by saying you will be handling some of her responsibilities?
    An escort is a woman you occasionally financially support only when she has sex with you.

    A date is a woman you occasionally financially support in the hope she will have sex with you.

    A wife is a woman you constantly financially support even when she is not having sex with you.

    An ex-wife is a woman you constantly financially support with alimony so she can have sex......with someone else.

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    Re: Advice NEEDED again.

    The legal definition of a contract, both oral or written:

    Offer: "I'll pay you to paint my house."
    Acceptance: "I'll do it $500."
    Consideration: "Here's a deposit of $100 on that $500."
    An escort is a woman you occasionally financially support only when she has sex with you.

    A date is a woman you occasionally financially support in the hope she will have sex with you.

    A wife is a woman you constantly financially support even when she is not having sex with you.

    An ex-wife is a woman you constantly financially support with alimony so she can have sex......with someone else.

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    Re: Advice NEEDED again.

    BrownRecluse, welcome to the forum and many thanks for your observation and sharing your experience, I have found it valuable.
    In response to both your post and Sam's post:

    They may be a bit irked but if they liked you enough to make an offer they'll consider matching; this has happen to me before. Keep in mind they all know the game; it's like a cockroach -- if you are looking for one job you are looking for twenty, and that means a bunch of shit is in motion and wires can get crossed. If they are professional and you are adequately contrite in the discussion I dont think they should be too put off.
    Indeed and I did mention that I am applying for many other jobs and waiting of feedback from interviews.

    Regarding the workplace culture. It's good to trust your gut, but I would question if you are biased here. In my experience you are not escaping gynocentrisim, feminisim and diversity and inclusion hell in any workplace in the west anymore. I suspect you are looking at the specifics of your current situation compared to a general gut instinct on the other two opportunities. You never know if your current company will stay constant in this regard - just look at what's going on in 2020 with the insane virtue signaling in corporate america. I think those of us who continue to work under this system have to accept you need to deal with this anywhere. Maybe you are right on the margins. But you already said your boss is a woman currently so how much better can it be. Also, you may find that a female dominated workforce is easier to grinfuck because if there's one thing women can hate almost as much as men it is other women who they are directly competing with. Of course, all interactions with women should be avoided but as those of us in the corporate world have no choice you may have to consider this.
    The company I work for now, although based in the UK, is not a western company. They have a VERY different culture, they don't even have a HR department and they never heard of words like "diversity, gender pay gap, inclusion" etc etc.

    And the culture will not change - the company comes from a very different culture.

    The second point is interesting. In the interview phase, I got the feeling that I could play other women off of each other. I have skills that are VERY needed for both companies, and I got the sense that the women were more interested in "work life balance" which is an area I can exploit. I am very dedicated and spend long hours at work - I make sure I do a good job - every time! This is an opportunity for growth and higher pay if I switch companies.

    Finally, a bit more philosophical - I'd consider what you want out of this career life. Are you looking for something to pay the bills while you maximize the $$$:Work effort ratio? If so your current gig seems best. Or are you looking to, reasonably quickly, accumulate wealth so you can get the fuck out of this slavery, go start something different, etc. If so, maybe having a stagnant job isn't the best for you. Only you can know this.
    That said, for what its worth 10% per annum raises are pretty damn good in the west especially when inflation has averaged less than 2% the past decade.
    I am looking for stability number one, then pay. The current gig offers it, especially with work now being remote, I have the freedom to travel, relax while working. And this company gave raises to all employees even during coronavirus, it was not the usual 8% - 10%, but still it was a raise.

    4. One other - I'd be cautious about your assumption that you are safer in your current than the new jobs. If those companies are still hiring now then presumably they are doing that with their eyes open. Are they parts of bigger corporations or small business? If the former it's very unlikely they'd keep hiring people they see a reasonable chance to fire if we have another leg down (every HR/talent dept worth its salt would be considering this right now). Companies are loathe to fire new hires because the cost of hiring is huge and they chose you for a reason and they dont yet know if you are good or bad, and also it's very bad for reputation. But they likely have a lot of existing employees who arent working out who'd be ahead of you on the chopping block. And your current company which seemingly doesnt value you enough to promote you despite good work, but keeps paying you more, may see you as the fat to trim. Just a thought to consider; your point about the industry difference influencing this outcome may well be true though.
    As mentioned, this current gig is not a western company. They have a culture where no one gets fired, even people who do a bad job. It's just a cultural thing.

    Good point about new hires, I wasn't aware that companies stay away from doing that for publicity reasons as well.

    Opaque, do you think you could use the offer with the 5k raise as leverage to negotiate a higher salary with your present job? After all, while your supervisor takes maternity leave, could you not justify more pay by saying you will be handling some of her responsibilities?
    Good point Sam. Again, the culture is my current gig is very different. Asking for a pay rise because I have found another job will not be taken in the usual way - they will see that as disrespectful and would cause me all manner of problems.
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    Re: Advice NEEDED again.

    I am looking for stability number one, then pay.
    You may want to rearrange that one the other way around. Not that it isn't logical, but rather that "stability" in reality is a construct and an "image" but actually it's a mirage. Money is also a construct without stability, it can loose value rapidly under non trustworthy management that prints those notes without tangible backing.

    Life's a shell game, a gamble, and a risk, that's the actuality and reality, nowhere in that will you find stability. Stability can only be found in the way you respond to instability. Stability is a virtue, not a fact.
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    Re: Advice NEEDED again.

    Changing job can give a new lease on life. You can put aside past problems and begin afresh with new knowledge. This can be very tempting.

    On the downside, you will more than likely have to suffer a “probationary” period where you can be sacked for any reason or no reason at all. Currently in the U.K. I believe this period can be stretched up to 2 years although it is usually in the 6 month region. Food for thought?

    Have a look on Indeed.com for the companies concerned. There are normally plenty of reviews of employees both good and bad that may give an idea of what you may be getting into.

    I’m sorry I can’t give better advice.
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    Re: Advice NEEDED again.

    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post
    The other two new job offers - there is room for growth, but they are VERY gynocentric companies and female work force is 90%+. Which is not an issue, but their missions statement and the particular industry they are involved in is a female centric and they like to boast about gender pay gap, etc etc.
    Are you kidding me?


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