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    Moral code?

    Do you live by a moral code?

    I'm not looking for an essay, just do you think you have one?
    Is it absolute (Never changing no matter what)? Or do you treat certain people different (family only, men only)?

    Do you think that as men we need to set an example or is it an anything goes cage-match of a world out there?

    Thoughts??

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    Re: Moral code?

    It's alignment time! Screw Myers-Briggs and astrology, what's your D&D alignment?

    I do knot have a formal moral code (except for my country's criminal law, of course - criminal law is 100% about morality). I certainly have a lot of ideas about what's right and what's wrong, but I find I frequently have to rethink and tune them.

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    Do you live by a moral code?
    Not really. I follow the hedonist philosophy. Pleasure/personal happiness above all else.

    Quote Originally Posted by wayn View Post
    Do you think that as men we need to set an example or is it an anything goes cage-match of a world out there?
    No, we do NOT need to set an example. Who would care anyway? The plantation thinks we are losers so why bother if you're a MGTOW?





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    I used to listen to a lot of Stefan Molyneux. His non-aggression principle has rubbed off on me. The non-aggression principle is his basis for a successful anarchistic society. That one rule is all you need for a civilization to live in harmony. It entails not committing violence through the initiation of force. This doesn't rule out self defense.

    I live my life in adherence to that principle.

    Is it absolute (Never changing no matter what)? Or do you treat certain people different (family only, men only)?
    It is absolute, because the rule is so simple. To violate this moral code would require effort.

    Do you think that as men we need to set an example or is it an anything goes cage-match of a world out there?
    I think it's a cage match. Too many conflicting ideologies and interests. A successful moral code would need to be universal (which Stefan refers to as Universally Preferable Behaviour). So women don't get a free pass. For it to be truly successful, everyone would need to understand and live by it. So men don't need to set an example. Everyone needs to set an example. One person at a time.
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    Doing shit behind another guys back, spreading lies, rumors etc.. That's the kind of stuff bitches do... and manginas. I'd never do that. That's about it for me I think.
    Marrying a woman is like taking a shit upside down every day for the rest of your life. Don't do it!

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    Re: Moral code?

    According to game theory (as I understand it) You are better off cooperating with others.
    Unless they screw you over, then it's better to screw them over first.

    Which means only be loyal, honest, etc with those who will be the same back.

    I guess the real question is who can you trust.

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    Re: Moral code?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wombat View Post
    It's alignment time! Screw Myers-Briggs and astrology, what's your D&D alignment?
    Chaotic Good with Neutral tendencies!

    Except that every rare once in a while, a switch flips and I go all totally Lawful, just so that I can relax in the knowledge that I can't possibly be busted for something. (Which is of course never true, but we all love our illusions, don't we?)
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    Re: Moral code?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wombat View Post
    It's alignment time! Screw Myers-Briggs and astrology, what's your D&D alignment?
    Well, I like to think of myself as Chaotic Good. But in real life, I'm Lawful Good, but I've learned to be a shrewd operator within that framework (on a really bad day, I'll be Lawful Neutral with someone I don't like).
    Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity. --Seneca

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    I used to have a moral code. I used to really internalize the Canadian Forces Ethics and Values. But the institution demonstrated that it's not adhering to any ethical principles itself. So I felt pretty betrayed.

    Now, I've decided to be a pragmatist. I will adopt ethical positions or abandon them as the situation evolves. Emmanuel Kant, who believed that if a principle can't be universally applied then it's not a principle worth having at all, is a fucking unimaginative dipshit who deserves to be forgotten by history. Kant naively or arrogantly believed that he was smart enough to anticipate every possible future scenario where an ethical decision would have to be made, and that a rote response could be pre-ordained based off of his lofty "principles".

    Fuck that guy. Sadly, the Canadian Forces drank that Kant's kool-aid by the gallon.
    Who's Chairborne? Office worker & Army Reservist, into electronic music, drummer in a jam band, table-top RPGs, bicycling, X-country skiing, biathlon & marksmanship, TV-free for 15 years.

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    Re: Moral code?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chairborne View Post
    I used to have a moral code. I used to really internalize the Canadian Forces Ethics and Values. But the institution demonstrated that it's not adhering to any ethical principles itself. So I felt pretty betrayed.

    Now, I've decided to be a pragmatist. I will adopt ethical positions or abandon them as the situation evolves.
    Emmanuel Kant, who believed that if a principle can't be universally applied then it's not a principle worth having at all, is a fucking unimaginative dipshit who deserves to be forgotten by history. Kant naively or arrogantly believed that he was smart enough to anticipate every possible future scenario where an ethical decision would have to be made, and that a rote response could be pre-ordained based off of his lofty "principles".

    Fuck that guy. Sadly, the Canadian Forces drank that Kant's kool-aid by the gallon.
    Yeah, this is sort of my position. You could describe me as a boyscout. Very straight-arrow. But what I've learned is that no one else is, and people will use your moral code against you.

    I learned this from my ex-wife. She knew if she could get me to agree to something, she had me because I keep my word.

    I still keep my word, but I give it a lot less, and never to her.

    If you've been a friend and never stabbed me in the back, you'll still get the helpful boyscout side of me.

    If I don't know you, or don't like you, I won't steal from you, lie to you, or hurt you, but I won't help you, and I won't pull my punches if we're competing.

    Life is short and I'm playing for keeps.
    Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity. --Seneca

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    My mother of all people, set an example of complete honesty. Where it came from, I have no idea. But she wouldn't even tell a white lie to protect someone's feelings. Never volunteered anything, but if you asked... The old man didn't lie either, but when your as sneaky and elusive as a five pound trout you don't have to. Both were always fair, I never got anything I didn't have coming.

    Biggest reason I'm honest is so no one can call me out later for changing my story. Telling lie's to cover your tracks or make yourself look good seldom work's. Sooner or later you'll be found out and your creditability shot to hell.

    There's an old Japanese proverb about how it's your duty to pay back bad deed's as well as good. Don't always follow it, but generally think it's a good idea.

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    Re: Moral code?

    Quote Originally Posted by frog View Post
    Biggest reason I'm honest is so no one can call me out later for changing my story. Telling lie's to cover your tracks or make yourself look good seldom work's. Sooner or later you'll be found out and your creditability shot to hell.
    Yep. If you always tell the truth, you won't be in the position of always having to remember which story you told to whom.

    Now, my ex-wife was a compulsive liar. And she carefully kept her friends segregated into different groups, and me segregated from all of them.

    After she left, all her friends and I had a sit down and compared notes. It turned out that even for something as simple as when her birthday was, she had a different story depending on who she was talking to. We all concluded that none of us ever knew her, really.
    Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity. --Seneca

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chairborne View Post
    I will adopt ethical positions or abandon them as the situation evolves.
    This!





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    "All fixed set patterns are incapable of adaptability or pliability. The truth is outside of all fixed patterns." Bruce Lee

    I'm sure Bruce was talking about self-defense but this can also be applied to any MAN-MADE approaches to right and wrong.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Shrug the Script View Post
    "All fixed set patterns are incapable of adaptability or pliability. The truth is outside of all fixed patterns." Bruce Lee

    I'm sure Bruce was talking about self-defense but this can also be applied to any MAN-MADE approaches to right and wrong.
    Exactly. For example, while lying is wrong, if I can save someone's life by lying (like saying "no, I'm the only employee on tonight" to an armed robber), I'm going to lie.

    The trick is being aware of the situation you're in and being able to weigh whether "the right thing" generally is "the right thing" in that particular instance.

    My ex-wife stole something like $800 from the kids and me because I did "the right thing."

    Life is a harsh but effective teacher...it gives the final exam, and THEN the lesson.
    Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity. --Seneca

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    For the most part i try to but its not a particularly detailed moral code "try not to be a cunt" sums it up quite well.
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    "Mighty little force is needed to control a man whose mind has been hoodwinked; contrariwise, no amount of force can control a free man, a man whose mind is free. No, not the rack, not fission bombs, not anything ó you canít conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him."

    -Robert A. Heinlein.

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    Re: Moral code?

    Mine is simple.
    - To not react. Reaction leads us to bad decisions.
    - To not act in anger because that is a weakness.
    - To be careful with the resources I consume. Whether it's electricity, water or heat. I try to act knowing that there are people in the greater world who do not experience the plenty which we have. While I cannot right this imbalance, I use resources sparingly in the hope that this simple action can help in some small way.

    I refuse to be brought down to the level of people who would try to or even succeed in hurting me. There is no point. I refuse to mar my soul (or whatever it is) with violence. It takes forever for me to take any negative action against any person because I believe that it is simply not worth it. I don't claim to be a saint. Everything I am today is a result of a large number of mistakes. I have experienced true violence and visited it upon others, and I would never want to raise a hand against another unless I truly had no choice. And to that end, I make sure that I'm never in those situations.

    I grew up with my grandfather's insistence that I learn the Gita. I think this specific verse from the Gita says more about how I see things than anything else.

    Karmanye Vadhikaraste, Ma phaleshou kada chana, Ma Karma Phala Hetur Bhurmatey Sangostva Akarmani

    Karmanye Vadhikaraste, Ma phaleshou kada chana – You have the right to perform your actions,but you are not entitled to the fruits of the actions.
    Ma Karma Phala Hetur Bhurmatey Sangostva Akarmani – Do not let the fruit be the purpose of your actions, and therefore you won’t be attached to not doing your duty.

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    My D&D moral alignment is Chaotic Neutral. For those who do not know what Chaotic Neutral is, think Selina Kyle or Jack Sparrow or Conan the Barbarian...you get the idea...

    I am a selfish nihilistic cynical jerk. I have been described as sarcastic, grim, fatalistic who is loyal to his friends and fucks his enemies just for the hell of it.

    I am really big on individualism, self-deternmination, freedom and knowledge...Yeah, I was a MGTOW or espoused many MGTOW principles long before I properly became a MGTOW...

    Other than that I just do what I think is most rational, most logical and best for me.

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    Re: Moral code?

    Quote Originally Posted by wayn View Post
    Do you live by a moral code?

    I'm not looking for an essay, just do you think you have one?
    Is it absolute (Never changing no matter what)? Or do you treat certain people different (family only, men only)?

    Do you think that as men we need to set an example or is it an anything goes cage-match of a world out there?

    Thoughts??
    The words of the Prophet Micah are on the front wall of a synagogue here: "Do justly, love mercy, and walk humbly with thy God..."
    "....justly..." Justice is mentioned first because justice is meant here to mean doing what is right, moral.

    "....mercy...." Justice must be tempered with mercy, understanding, some compassion.

    ...."walk humbly with thy God...." I think we should walk quietly, softly through life, (ghosting?). Maintain self respect, but also maintain self discipline. Sometimes we can be our own worst enemy, bringing trouble and problems on ourselves, doing or saying something we later regret.

    And God, (yeah, I believe), has been around a bit longer than you, so a little humility couldn't hurt.

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    Re: Moral code?

    Quote Originally Posted by William Noy View Post
    Well, I like to think of myself as Chaotic Good. But in real life, I'm Lawful Good, but I've learned to be a shrewd operator within that framework (on a really bad day, I'll be Lawful Neutral with someone I don't like).
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