Thread: What should women do?

Originally Posted by happybachelor

I thought you wamens were building a better society without all that toxic masculinity? The way to actually build a better society is to allow men their natural position as dominant. Masculine values build strong societies. Feminist values destroy them. We are in the end times.

I have still not had any of my feminist acquintances successfully describe toxic masculinity, it feels like something they use to say; ’men suck’. To be fair, I’ve been raised a feminist and I’ve never understood the term toxic masculinity.

I did a lot of stupid stuff in my teenage-years, I could not handle the freedom I had, it just gave me anxieties. Still I am glad I had it, since my father wouldn’t have guided me well anyhow. All the bad stuff I did he urged on and agreed with. He said he was a feminist, but he wasn’t even that, I asked for his help as his friend came onto me very strongly and he merely thought bad for his friend since he was lonely.

No I have been happiest since I found my husband and though our ideologies clashed in the start I realised I didn’t care. I was calm and happy knowing that he would set me straight if I just let him. It isn’t perfect and I believe everyone struggles, but sometimes it is about deciding not to just go with urged feelings and make conscious decisions.

I believe many women would feel the same if they let themselves try it. We’ve been taught not to give up control, always have an out and remember that he could be a psycho. But how do you build a relationsship if you don’t trust your partner? It is like saying some uses their shoes to kick people so never trust a person with shoes on.

I’m not really sure we’re I’m going with this. I guess I ended up in a rant. I guess what I am trying to say is that I would enjoy a world where I am expected to take a backseat, even though it goes against everything I’ve been taught.

Cry me a fucking river!

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I guess what I am trying to say is that I would enjoy a world where I am expected to take a backseat, even though it goes against everything I’ve been taught.

To the extent that your comment might suggest a return to what came before, it reminds me of something I've said for years:

It takes decades for women to learn anything. In the mean time, they take society on a wild ride.

Originally Posted by Unboxxed

To the extent that your comment might suggest a return to what came before, it reminds me of something I've said for years:

It takes decades for women to learn anything. In the mean time, they take society on a wild ride.

Yea, a wild ride on the deathcoaster in the abusment park from hell!

Sorry sweet cheeks, we don't play in condemned amusement parks where the operators seek to endanger and destroy us!

That's right, the lights have gone out, rides have stopped running, and there's a warning on the gates written by MGTOW, that are saving countless lives, livings, and fortunes!

So please, fuck off and die, that's what women are for, and it's our new found form of amusement, so please, make us laugh. Fkn clown.

Ooh, temper temper! Go sit on the naughty step.

Hello there Curios,

Firstly, thank you for the post - it has been a while since we've had women who actually engage instead of simply throw insults. [Statements redacted. It is not necessary that you apologize to her for what other members may say to her. This is insulting to other members.]

[Statements redacted. It is not necessary that you convince her that your views are superior to those of other members here. You and I have talked about this at length. This undermines cohesion and is a violation of Principles. Infraction issued. PM sent.]

I'll take on what you have raises on a point by point analysis:

I was wondering, what do you want of women? Let us say there is a woman who is understanding and agrees with you and honestly want you to tell her what she personally can do to work towards a better tomorrow, what advice would you give?

I personally would like women to stop being so manipulative. I would like honesty, from them about their intentions when it comes to matters of work, relationships, but especially in the field of dating and sex.

Women use dating, sex especially as a way of getting ahead in the world. Think about it this way...
How many women get to go out on dates, seduce the man for free meals and cocktails, all he while thinking she was actually sexually interested in him?

I would say 95% +. You can tell me that you are different, but with all due respect, I am almost certain that you would be lying. Women simply know how to prostitute themselves and use their sexuality to get ahead in life, meanwhile a man like me has never even thought I could manipulate, lie, cheat, steal, tell half-truths, cover things up, etc in order to get ahead in life.

You could say that I don't understand the world, but then again who raised me? My mother exactly. Well what do you deduct from this? It is very reasonable to deduct that mothers (who are women) wilfully and purposefully hide information about female manipulation from their sons.

You may say that this is not true, and that you are different. Again, I suspect you would be lying. To prove this, I will ask, do you have male child?

What do you plan to teach him about the world and female manipulation? And at what age will you teach him?

You see, it's no good knowing about female manipulation at the age of 30/40... a man has spent a lot of money, effort and time running after women who have already decided not to be attracted to him.
One thing you have mentioned which makes me think you are a genuine, decent women is this:

I am of the belief that in a happy marriage you don’t say no to sex, and that you have sex even if you don’t really feel like it, if your partner is in the mood.

This comment I feel means that you aren't the antagoniser of your boyfriend, husband, guy for a fling or one night stand. You are willing to have sex even when you aren't in the mood and the man is willing to have sex when he is not in the mood. 100% agreed.

95% + of the women out there think otherwise and they politicise their sexuality and make men jump through wild fucking hoops.

But then again, part of female manipulation is only content based, but also time based. You may think like this now, but have you always had this view?

Often times, women "change" their views not because they are wiser, but because they do not want to kill the goose that lays the golden egg. I doubt you would have this view if MGTOW and other pro-male views didn't exist.

Maybe I am being a little too suspicious, but you can see I have good reason to feel they way I do.

As far as "traditional relationships" I think they are even worse for men than even feminism. Feminism is actually not that bad, if the laws were applied fairly and women didn't get a free ride.

Just to add one more thing, MGTOW don't blame women for the way society is, the issues that a man like me faces are not only because of women - it is more because of gynocentrism.
Think of gynocentrism as a tendency. People, in general tend to be more sympathetic and helpful to women, even though their lives are far easier.

Originally Posted by Opaque

I personally would like women to stop being so manipulative. I would like honesty, from them about their intentions when it comes to matters of work, relationships, but especially in the field of dating and sex.

Women use dating, sex especially as a way of getting ahead in the world. Think about it this way...
How many women get to go out on dates, seduce the man for free meals and cocktails, all he while thinking she was actually sexually interested in him?

I would say 95% +. You can tell me that you are different, but with all due respect, I am almost certain that you would be lying. Women simply know how to prostitute themselves and use their sexuality to get ahead in life, meanwhile a man like me has never even thought I could manipulate, lie, cheat, steal, tell half-truths, cover things up, etc in order to get ahead in life.

I actually don't know how I would be on a date like that, only once have I been on a date with a person I haven't already slept with (not counting when being unknowingly set up by a friend). That one time he was buying beer and movie tickets, however I was not interested so I offered to pay, he refused, then he kissed me while I tried to push him away. As for the dates after having sex sometimes I've been the one paying, sometimes them, sometimes we payed for ourselves. It was never a big deal for me, but I have heard lengthy discussions about it and I have heard women say a man is cheap if he doesn't pay. I never understood that, the only time that argument works for me is if he has a much bigger salary. It is fine, you don't have to believe me, I read about the snowflake concept.

Frankly I have myself been wondering about it at times, when I had a girlfriend I gave her a lot of expensive and thoughtful gifts, she gave me something small in return usually but I didn't think much about it, she was a shopper and I was a saver so I usually had more money. The first year with my husband I payed and planned for every date since I was the one with a job. When he had a job he payed. Now, we don't really care anymore, whoever has the closest access to the creditcard.

Am I manipulative? Sometimes yes, when I get emotional, me and my husband talk about it sometimes, how I can say stuff I didn't mean or overreact. Usually when I get to wound up I try to find something to wind me down. Sometimes I go out for a walk, being by myself. Then when we've both calmed down we talk about it and try to stay rational. It isn't always easy and during pregnancy it was almost impossible, my husband said I weren't so bad but we knew a woman who sent her husband to buy fries in the middle of the night so seeming collected beside her wasn't so difficult. The worst thing was I could hear myself being totally irrational as I cried and yelled at him, yet I couldn't let it go, so I made sure to apologise as soon as I got my emotions in check again. But yeah, pregnancy really sucked that way.

Originally Posted by Opaque

You could say that I don't understand the world, but then again who raised me? My mother exactly. Well what do you deduct from this? It is very reasonable to deduct that mothers (who are women) wilfully and purposefully hide information about female manipulation from their sons.

You may say that this is not true, and that you are different. Again, I suspect you would be lying. To prove this, I will ask, do you have male child?

What do you plan to teach him about the world and female manipulation? And at what age will you teach him?

You see, it's no good knowing about female manipulation at the age of 30/40... a man has spent a lot of money, effort and time running after women who have already decided not to be attracted to him.

I do, I haven't thought that far ahead in time yet, still getting used to being a mother. I would have to talk to my husband about it, but thank you, that is a good question to ponder on. It might be my husband teaching them. But I suppose I would want them to learn to give and take and not just give while a woman takes. So far I am mostly afraid about what they'll learn in school. I am afraid they'll feel as if something is wrong with them, that they have an inherent sin to be forgiven for, just by being boys and just the thought about that hurts.

Originally Posted by Opaque

95% + of the women out there think otherwise and they politicise their sexuality and make men jump through wild fucking hoops.

But then again, part of female manipulation is only content based, but also time based. You may think like this now, but have you always had this view?

Often times, women "change" their views not because they are wiser, but because they do not want to kill the goose that lays the golden egg. I doubt you would have this view if MGTOW and other pro-male views didn't exist.

Maybe I am being a little too suspicious, but you can see I have good reason to feel they way I do.

You don't have to believe me, I am just happy someone is willing to try and discuss this with me.

What can I say? Time will tell. No I haven't always had that view, that's the view I learned to appreciate from experience, instead of the one I learned from the opinions of others. I still have difficulties with letting go of my old views of consent, I feel like a horrible person for saying I believe that two people in a sexually romantic relationship should be able to have sex with each other, because I have been taught it is horrible to say that anyone has any obligation for sex.

Now I am not saying I'm perfect, I say no at times, if I am too tired or really don't feel like it, but we've talked about it and if he wants to he can ignore that. Sometimes he lets me sleep, sometimes he pushes through, and frankly, I usually get into it pretty quickly anyway if we just get started, our bodies are made for it after all. And I guess I like the attention too, I love attention from my husband.

Originally Posted by Opaque

As far as "traditional relationships" I think they are even worse for men than even feminism. Feminism is actually not that bad, if the laws were applied fairly and women didn't get a free ride.

Just to add one more thing, MGTOW don't blame women for the way society is, the issues that a man like me faces are not only because of women - it is more because of gynocentrism.
Think of gynocentrism as a tendency. People, in general tend to be more sympathetic and helpful to women, even though their lives are far easier.

I thought like you with feminism for a long while, if someone asks me if I'm a feminist I ask what feminism is to them, because what I first was taught was that it was equality in the law, and then yes, I have been a feminist. But they add so many ridiculous things to it now, they don't seem happy with equality, they need to be reimbursed for any differences that are still there - not always to women's favor I might add.

Here we are supposed to share all parental days down the middle, otherwise we need to send in a form about one of us giving days to the other, but some days are strictly reserved for each parent. This was because they did not think men took enough responsibility with their children and were away too much. Both parents getting time with their kids I am all for, but as the pregnant one I needed to use parental days to stay home at the end of my pregnancy, on top of that it turns out the father gets ten extra days to stay home to help the mother after the birth, these weren't even counted as parental days and as such not thought of as how much time you get with the children.

The thought was of course to make sure the mother got help and the father got time with his children, but my husband had to give me a big part of his days just so I could breastfeed the whole recommended period. I know some of you will probably think this is nothing compared to what some men goes through in the world, but I took an example I could more personally relate to.

Equality of the law is fine, but there are differences between men and women which sometimes might need to be accounted for and as soon as you start going into that, there are disputes about what differences to take account of and what differences there really is, and I'm honestly tired of the hypocrisy of feminists.

Originally Posted by Unboxxed

To the extent that your comment might suggest a return to what came before, it reminds me of something I've said for years:

It takes decades for women to learn anything. In the mean time, they take society on a wild ride.

I don't know how many decades you think I've lived, but I am in my mid-twenties so yes I've started learning on my own and not just believe what I'm told not so long ago. Or did you mean women as a group? Because I don't know what everyone else is thinking, unfortunately, that could've been fun.

Originally Posted by Opaque

You could say that I don't understand the world, but then again who raised me? My mother exactly. Well what do you deduct from this? It is very reasonable to deduct that mothers (who are women) wilfully and purposefully hide information about female manipulation from their sons.

You may say that this is not true, and that you are different. Again, I suspect you would be lying. To prove this, I will ask, do you have male child?

What do you plan to teach him about the world and female manipulation? And at what age will you teach him?

In agreement with you, so often we hear that women do not like men who cannot stand up to them, but I've never known a mother to teach her son to stand up to her influence. She won't teach that. She carefully crafts to the son how he needs to communicate with women. And there it is. Like she is setting the world right. He might as well start tucking his dick between his legs. The father would be the one to teach the son, either by advice or by example, how to stand up to women. Or the son learns it from other guys. But, it won't be from women, although I have read of exceptional mothers. Women get very cagey when it comes to this, and you can watch their artful and smooth choice of language to learn where and how they hide their truths, so useful when in unrelated conversations.

Let's keep in mind that standing up to women is not restricted to confrontation but includes addressing the general male acquiescence that women can cleverly mislabel as compromise as a grooming technique.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Or did you mean women as a group? Because I don't know what everyone else is thinking, unfortunately, that could've been fun.

As a group. The women's movement. Feminist politics. etc.

Is it just me..

Or is this woman collecting tips for her next monkey branch? Mid to late twenties.. wall on horizon..

Or sociology major writing her thesis...?

I guess there's a chance she's a good person concerned about the state of the world. But if I went off experience that's probably bollocks.

Hey lady if you are just a genuine and good person, don't mind my harsh words. I'm just a regular male asshole

Originally Posted by happybachelor

Is it just me..

Or is this woman collecting tips for her next monkey branch? Mid to late twenties.. wall on horizon..

Or sociology major writing her thesis...?

I guess there's a chance she's a good person concerned about the state of the world. But if I went off experience that's probably bollocks.

Sociology is not really my thing, I like natural sciences better, math preferably. In sociology they write a paper with nothing scientific behind it and call it a scientific report. Sure they can do science too, but a lot of it is just measuring people opinions and posting polls. I like measurable facts. However I do enjoy philosophical discussion.

I'm a mother of two - the wall might hit me earlier than others. Better to stay where I am, I'm happy here. A lot of sex and the best company I could ask for. The money isn't great but we make do. Or perhaps I misunderstood the use of the monkeybranch?

Of course too you I am just someone writing words on a computer so you have no reason whatsoever to trust me, and frankly, I don't care if yo do.

Well the hard sciences are full of pseudo science too. Most of what we 'know' is based on theories, assumptions and best guesses.

MGTOW knowledge of female nature however is verifiable. Proven by billions of men.

I'm a mother of two - the wall might hit me earlier than others. Better to stay where I am, I'm happy here. A lot of sex and the best company I could ask for. The money isn't great but we make do. Or perhaps I misunderstood the use of the monkeybranch?

Spin hamster wheel, spin!

Yes the 'monkey branch' is moving sideways or (usually) upwards in the dating/relationshit pool. You might be happy with your lot now.. but it wouldn't be uncommon for your subconscious to be wanting more/thinking ahead.

Women use men as utilities. We are not actually persons to them. Look at how you've described your relationshit.. No real mention of the man you're with, his personality, his mind, his character traits. These are things men fall in love with in women, not 'what they can do for us'.

Originally Posted by happybachelor

Well the hard sciences are full of pseudo science too. Most of what we 'know' is based on theories, assumptions and best guesses.

MGTOW knowledge of female nature however is verifiable. Proven by billions of men.

It can be yes, but less often. That is also why I like math most.

I don't know if I understood the hamsterwheel thing but lets say a rich man knocked on my door and promises me a lot of sex, great company AND a lot of money. Would I be tempted? Yes. Would I just up and leave my husband to go with him? No.

Even if I look at it from a totally selfish point of view it would be stupid. I would risk a good life to perhaps get one with a little more money in it. It is first when I actually left my husband me and the rich guy could try things out and he could very well decide he would not stay with me anyway. So no I'm not intending to throw away safety and comfort for off chance of getting something a little bit better. Besides, I don't want to.

Do you guys smell something? Is it me?

Called it.

Originally Posted by happybachelor

Women use men as utilities. We are not actually persons to them. Look at how you've described your relationshit.. No real mention of the man you're with, his personality, his mind, his character traits. These are things men fall in love with in women, not 'what they can do for us'.

Trying to describe him would not do him justice, when I give it a try I tell him, not strangers on the web. I mentioned sex, because that is important in a relationsship to me. I mentioned the best company, indicating I love being with him - and that is because of him. I mentioned money because most of what I've read here is about women taking men's money and I want to be honest; the money isn't great. And yes I think about it, but it is not enough to leave.

Hey Happy, the clam's talking to you...

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Trying to describe him would not do him justice, when I give it a try I tell him, not strangers on the web. I mentioned sex, because that is important in a relationsship to me. I mentioned the best company, indicating I love being with him - and that is because of him. I mentioned money because most of what I've read here is about women taking men's money and I want to be honest; the money isn't great. And yes I think about it, but it is not enough to leave.

Naw, I think you just got caught here doing what men notice.

Tempted? Let me tell you when I was happy and in love I was never 'tempted', and wouldn't have been for miss universe. Women are easily tempted however because they don't really love the man they're with. It's all about what he does for her, which can be bettered.

The moment you're tempted you're already gone. That's one of the reasons I will never be with a woman again.

Forget about me, I'll eat a bullet first!