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    Tell me how my impressions of MGTOW are wrong...

    Okay, I’ve been ghosting the so-called “manosphere” for a while, and I have to say that the MGTOW segment of this community strikes me as the most disingenuous and possibly the saddest. Yeah, the incels are pretty sad, but they don’t seem to be in denial about who they are. Then there’s MGTOW, which basically seems to me like dishonest incels. Allow me to say that I don’t mean this to be insulting or degrading to anyone here. Had MGTOW or incel communities existed online when I was in my early 20s, I would have at least sympathized, because my success with women was legendarily bad.

    All the MGTOW memes seem to show men rebelling against women and “going their own way” by telling women to fuck off but...how many women are really upset that MGTOWs are no longer showing interest in them? How many of you had actual relationships, but decided they weren’t worth the headache? Don’t get me wrong—I’m sure some of you did. But in my perusing the manosphere, I get the distinct impression that that is the minority. Which would leave the rest as men who don’t have success with women just saying “fine, I don’t need you anyway.” And, frankly, there’s nothing wrong with that. I was tempted to just give up at one point too, but the difference seems to be that MGTOWs just exude this sense that they’re choosing this alternative when, in reality, it was forced on them.

    I should clarify that there’s nothing wrong with “going your own way.” Relationships aren’t for you and you want to be on your own? Great. You do what makes you happy, and if you value your independence too much to be locked in a relationship, I can’t hold that against you. What I can’t tolerate, however, is this sense that anyone who doesn’t follow you in that decision is somehow a “cuck” or a “simp.”

    So much ink is spilled in the manosphere making ludicrously false claims about the nature of most relationships. The most common one I’ve noticed in MGTOW circles is that women are little more than financial drains on men. Firstly, this isn’t the 1950s anymore and women are pretty likely these days to be financially self-sufficient. Secondly, it assumes that—even if they are financially dependent on their men—that they bring nothing else of value to the man who might find it worthwhile to continue supporting her. Can we at least agree that human companionship has value that can’t be measured in dollars?

    Yes, men still make on average more money than women, but the opposite is not exactly uncommon—a fact you would never guess by reading MGTOW forums. My wife used to make more money than me, then I overtook her, and now we make exactly (literally, down to the dollar) the same amount. Yes, this is cherry picking, but most of the people I know in my professional environment are in similar situations, where the man and woman make more or less the same amount.

    Lastly, for men who are supposedly giving the finger to women and just going off on their own...you sure do spend a lot of time thinking about, complaining about, insulting, or otherwise obsessing about women. Why?

    Tell me why my impressions are wrong.

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    Re: Tell me how my impressions of MGTOW are wrong...

    Quote Originally Posted by Non-MGTOW View Post
    How many of you had actual relationships, but decided they weren’t worth the headache? Don’t get me wrong—I’m sure some of you did. But in my perusing the manosphere, I get the distinct impression that that is the minority.
    We have a New Member Intros section where each registrant is required to discuss his relationship history, if he has one, as a condition of remaining here after registration. Based on these Intros, the vast majority of members here have had experience with women. These Intros are accessible for viewing by non-members.


    What I can’t tolerate, however, is this sense that anyone who doesn’t follow you in that decision is somehow a “cuck” or a “simp.”
    But yet you maintain MGTOW are disingenuous and are the saddest. People, which includes you and me, have their opinions of the outgroup and their reasons for them, yes?


    So much ink is spilled in the manosphere making ludicrously false claims about the nature of most relationships. The most common one I’ve noticed in MGTOW circles is that women are little more than financial drains on men. Firstly, this isn’t the 1950s anymore and women are pretty likely these days to be financially self-sufficient.
    Yet, somehow the financial draining remains ever present and enforced by the courts. You overlook all that? I say sarcastically that someone failed to convince women and the courts of their self-sufficiency. Women still "marry up". Women want marriage more than do men, then women seek divorce more than do men. Cash and prizes. It's a process. Options that have been inculcated into the minds of women. Men know this or we help them know this.

    I like to mention at these times how women expect others (such as people without vaginas) to pay for their birth control pills and their abortions. Basically, others are expected to fund their sexual lifestyle. This is not self-sufficiency. This is mooching, an artifact from yesteryear that remains residual in the minds of almost all women that others must contribute to their free will choices. In these ways and many more, you cannot convince women how well off they are, as this will undermine their mooching. Please take your "self-sufficiency" case to the women, not to MGTOW, and convince them of it. Go ahead, point out the mooching to women and watch them gaslight. They have built an entire response system around this. That's just one thing I thought of. I will let our members offer other information. Or read their Intros.


    Secondly, it assumes that—even if they are financially dependent on their men—that they bring nothing else of value to the man who might find it worthwhile to continue supporting her. Can we at least agree that human companionship has value that can’t be measured in dollars?
    Do you realize that you just wrote that women must have other value that men should also measure in dollars! What's left, then? Maybe you could re-write this part of what you have to say. Otherwise, you might be saying that to have a woman's companionship is to measure her in dollars. How very MGTOW of you.


    Yes, men still make on average more money than women, but the opposite is not exactly uncommon—a fact you would never guess by reading MGTOW forums.
    We are a forum of testimonials from men who have gone their own way. You suggest that we should argue against our own experiences? I believe all readers can bring their own knowledge to what they read here. However, we do purposefully help men build their arsenal of arguments against the massive amounts of indoctrination that our gynocentric culture puts out.


    Lastly, for men who are supposedly giving the finger to women and just going off on their own...you sure do spend a lot of time thinking about, complaining about, insulting, or otherwise obsessing about women. Why?
    While many MGTOW disappear into the night, there are those of us who remain visible, all to help other men, of course! Think about this until it hits you like a ton of bricks!

    I find that people who ask this question have not thought it out but are more driven to embed an insult into the question.
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    Re: Tell me how my impressions of MGTOW are wrong...

    Quote Originally Posted by Non-MGTOW View Post
    Then there’s MGTOW, which basically seems to me like dishonest incels. Allow me to say that I don’t mean this to be insulting or degrading to anyone here. Had MGTOW or incel communities existed online when I was in my early 20s, I would have at least sympathized, because my success with women was legendarily bad.

    Yes, men still make on average more money than women, but the opposite is not exactly uncommon—a fact you would never guess by reading MGTOW forums. My wife used to make more money than me, then I overtook her, and now we make exactly (literally, down to the dollar) the same amount. Yes, this is cherry picking, but most of the people I know in my professional environment are in similar situations, where the man and woman make more or less the same amount.

    How often does your wife let you fuck her?
    Whenever you want, or is your access (severely)restricted?
    If it's restricted, usually to less than once a month after the first 3 years of marriage .........
    Why don't you consider yourself an INCEL?

    What about attraction, is your wife fat or old?
    Do you really want to fuck a 50 year old 4 or 5 who weighs 200lbs?
    I only want 9s or 10s weighting under 50Kg and under 35 years old, even though I'm 65.

    If your wife earns the same as you ....... who paid for the house?
    I'm betting it's you, or at least the lions share, but remember on divorce, she'll get at least half, if not all of it.
    Most women seem to find an excuse for the guy to pay all household expenses, while she keeps her wage for herself.
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    Re: Tell me how my impressions of MGTOW are wrong...

    You're a "cuck" and a "symp"!

    Come back after a judge uses your glory hole, then we'll talk!
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    Re: Tell me how my impressions of MGTOW are wrong...

    Quote Originally Posted by Non-MGTOW View Post
    .Lastly, for men who are supposedly giving the finger to women and just going off on their own...you sure do spend a lot of time thinking about, complaining about, insulting, or otherwise obsessing about women. Why?
    For the same reason medical experts spend a lot of time talking about diseases.
    Men are becoming MGTOW by the millions, most without ever having heard the term. They are simply doing what all living organisms finding themselves in a toxic environment do. They adapt to it or remove themselves from it. Females are not liking either the adaptations or the removal.

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    Re: Tell me how my impressions of MGTOW are wrong...

    Quote Originally Posted by Non-MGTOW View Post

    All the MGTOW memes seem to show men rebelling against women and “going their own way” by telling women to fuck off but...how many women are really upset that MGTOWs are no longer showing interest in them? How many of you had actual relationships, but decided they weren’t worth the headache? Don’t get me wrong—I’m sure some of you did. But in my perusing the manosphere, I get the distinct impression that that is the minority. Which would leave the rest as men who don’t have success with women just saying “fine, I don’t need you anyway.” And, frankly, there’s nothing wrong with that. I was tempted to just give up at one point too, but the difference seems to be that MGTOWs just exude this sense that they’re choosing this alternative when, in reality, it was forced on them.


    There are probably those who are "incels" that frequent the MGTOW forums. However, a good portion of us are extremely successful with women but just realize the juice isn't worth the squeeze. Men are the prize, not the other way around.


    Quote Originally Posted by Non-MGTOW View Post
    I should clarify that there’s nothing wrong with “going your own way.” Relationships aren’t for you and you want to be on your own? Great. You do what makes you happy, and if you value your independence too much to be locked in a relationship, I can’t hold that against you. What I can’t tolerate, however, is this sense that anyone who doesn’t follow you in that decision is somehow a “cuck” or a “simp.”


    Men Going Their Own Way is as simple as that. We are going your own way. This can mean a lot of different things for a lot of different people. There are MGTOW who have relationships with women. I have relationships with women. However, they just don't cohabitate or marry these women because that would prevent them "going their own way."

    A cuck is a "man" who raises another man's kids. A simp is a "man" who differs to women. MGTOW ideology rejects this. Men lead and women are along for the ride.


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    Firstly, this isn’t the 1950s anymore and women are pretty likely these days to be financially self-sufficient. Secondly, it assumes that—even if they are financially dependent on their men—that they bring nothing else of value to the man who might find it worthwhile to continue supporting her. Can we at least agree that human companionship has value that can’t be measured in dollars?

    Women have NEVER been independent from men. Even now, this illusion of independence is based on a society maintained by men. Women make their own money and are outshining men? That is because they are discriminating against more qualified men in the name of equality.

    Before women's suffrage, women actually had to bring something of value besides their hole. Now women bring more liability than anything else because they have the full backing of "big daddy government" (maintained by men) that says they can act like children.

    Quote Originally Posted by Non-MGTOW View Post
    Tell me why my impressions are wrong.
    I would say that you should do a little more reading about MGTOW philosophy. You must not have done much research on MGTOW because these are very basic assumptions from people who don't care to actually talk to MGTOW.
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    Re: Tell me how my impressions of MGTOW are wrong...

    I think this gentleman doesn't know much about MGTOW.

    MGTOW is not about hatred or a lack of experience with women. Most of the men on this forum have had several relationships and even had families.

    These are just insults. As for "you cannot put a price on a relationship" it is exactly the kind of mentality that leads to you being a cuck, because really, a woman would never settle for a man on her level or below. You have to be way higher -if not financially, then looks wise or some other.

    And anecdotes about your wife making more than you, well I have been in such relationships and the women gets very tired very quickly of such a man; whereas a man is willing to go out of his way and help for years without anything in return (which is why men are stupid!).

    And I would remind the men on this forum that when someone says "if you are aMGTOW why not just go your own WAY!?" it is again a form of manipulation. You actually need to learn more and more about women and the gynocracy because they are everywhere and becoming more prominent.

    If a disease starts spreading and killing people (quite like Covid 19) do you expect people to just say "well just wash your hands and stay home". The disease will mutate, it will outsmart the general public, it will become stronger, it will merge with other strains, etc etc. So you need to be "up to date" and you need to research the history etc etc in order to get a grass of how we ended up where we are now.

    So actually you are asking to behave irrationality in the face of danger.

    You are either an idiot or highly manipulative person - or you could just genuinely be unaware.
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    Re: Tell me how my impressions of MGTOW are wrong...

    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post
    As for "you cannot put a price on a relationship"
    ........... I price it at $30-$50 a poke if she's under 35 years old and under 50Kg in weight.
    So a slim and attractive 25 year old I banged once a week would have me price the 'relationship' at $200/month.

    Wasn't hard at all to price!

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    Re: Tell me how my impressions of MGTOW are wrong...

    Quote Originally Posted by MrWalton View Post
    ........... I price it at $30-$50 a poke if she's under 35 years old and under 50Kg in weight.
    So a slim and attractive 25 year old I banged once a week would have me price the 'relationship' at $200/month.

    Wasn't hard at all to price!
    Gee, what's the price for removing a virus from your body? A to Z?

    What's the price for a setup where you're the unknowing fall-guy? ID, licence plate, all that's needed in a syndicated crime ring, a pimp is just a manager in something much larger with more tentacles in other black market enterprises. Her drug starved boyfriend could be another possibility in the circle of criminals that associate and feed off one another. Names and addresses have value when a dark network is able to know when you're with an agent that sold the info for a cut of the action.

    These aren't valedictorians from prestigious private schools, they're from the most broken down dysfunctional realities that blue pill society totally ignores and covers with arrogant laughter while fostering social decay through lockstep welfare socialist state.

    They ruined the black communities first, now its creating mountains of white trash the same way.

    I don't support modern women, however, I do give any support I can to my mother in the form of favors, but she's from the generations before feminism existed and she more than pulled her own weight, she raised 4 siblings through the great depression and kept her house a home. She's tainted with a little touch of feminism and I/we (my brother and I) confronted her with it, and basically put her in her place, 1st. time ever! That's how much the toxic fumes of feminism now effect us, gotta hose down the women with a little masculinity once in a while!

    My point, the psychological state of broken women smothered in decades of social decay is one of ruthlessness associated with extreme narcissistic personality disorder, otherwise known as a sociopath, a very cunning and dangerous creature found in the heart and soul of feminism.

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    It is not logical to involve one's self with feminism's trash.

    Rather than say "live long and prosper", I'll just say, "good luck"...
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    Re: Tell me how my impressions of MGTOW are wrong...

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    Gee, what's the price for removing a virus from your body? A to Z?

    What's the price for a setup where you're the unknowing fall-guy? ID, licence plate, all that's needed in a syndicated crime ring, a pimp is just a manager in something much larger with more tentacles in other black market enterprises. Her drug starved boyfriend could be another possibility in the circle of criminals that associate and feed off one another. Names and addresses have value when a dark network is able to know when you're with an agent that sold the info for a cut of the action.
    Why would I tell anyone my name and address?
    Ever?

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    Re: Tell me how my impressions of MGTOW are wrong...

    Quote Originally Posted by MrWalton View Post
    Why would I tell anyone my name and address?
    Ever?
    Tell schmell, gone to hell,.
    Her cohorts could easily attach a magnetic GPS tracker to your vehicle and retrieve it next visit. Underestimating in the 21st century could be lethal.
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    Re: Tell me how my impressions of MGTOW are wrong...

    Another ho I got to fuck with so another career I have to destroy. Let the fun begin!

    Okay, I’ve been ghosting the so-called “manosphere” for a while, and I have to say that the MGTOW segment of this community strikes me as the most disingenuous and possibly the saddest. Yeah, the incels are pretty sad, but they don’t seem to be in denial about who they are. Then there’s MGTOW, which basically seems to me like dishonest incels. Allow me to say that I don’t mean this to be insulting or degrading to anyone here. Had MGTOW or incel communities existed online when I was in my early 20s, I would have at least sympathized, because my success with women was legendarily bad.
    You are obviously a tuna or troll. By calling MGTOW a bunch of "dishonest incels" proves my point. They are totally different things. Since I ate my Wheaties today, let me explain(end your career). MGTOW is men who left or in the process of leaving a bullshit rigged system. We have found out we have been lied to after enough bad experiences. Before you use the "common denominator" argument of "Well all your relationships didn't work out so you must be the problem" , It can't be that due to the fact that many men from all walks of life and all over the world experience the same thing.

    Incel is a bunch of cowards. There I said it. They blame women for all every little problem like burning their morning toast which has nothing to do with women. Incels never even grew a pair and asked a woman out. If they did and got rejected then it hurt their false sense of entitlement so now they are mad at the world. The poor pathetics bastards known as incels think the world owes them and when the world doesn't deliver then they become protesters or some whiny snowflake.

    All the MGTOW memes seem to show men rebelling against women and “going their own way” by telling women to fuck off but...how many women are really upset that MGTOWs are no longer showing interest in them?
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    How many of you had actual relationships, but decided they weren’t worth the headache? Don’t get me wrong—I’m sure some of you did.But in my perusing the manosphere, I get the distinct impression that that is the minority
    I would say "nice try" at your shaming tactic but you failed miserably from the start. I again ask you to be more clear in your claims. What kind of relationships with women? Family? Friends? Fuck buddies? Dating? Marriage? See how vague your question is but yet you think you are clever with your shaming bullshit. I have had all the above relationships with women. I will admit 99% of the relationships I've had with women were nothing but heart ache. The 1% of the good relationships I've had with women are women that are my ride and die ladies. Those are the ladies that have been so awesome to me and I would risk my life and/or go to jail for them if some tough guy ever laid a hand on them. I have mentioned that here before. I have also mentioned many aspects of my marriage. From the dating part to the divorce court and me being homeless.

    Which would leave the rest as men who don’t have success with women just saying “fine, I don’t need you anyway.” And, frankly, there’s nothing wrong with that. I was tempted to just give up at one point too, but the difference seems to be that MGTOWs just exude this sense that they’re choosing this alternative when, in reality, it was forced on them.
    I got bad news for you. It was forced on every man since birth. Everything from toys(Barbie is the princess and Batman has the 6 pack and save a ho mentality ) to movies(Name a Disney movie that isn't about meeting some woman's dream or expectation) to what a man is suppose to be while a woman can be anything she wants. Many men have had their hearts shit on so they did say fuck it. I don't blame them. They aren't missing anything so fuck you for trying to shame them.

    I should clarify that there’s nothing wrong with “going your own way.” Relationships aren’t for you and you want to be on your own? Great. You do what makes you happy, and if you value your independence too much to be locked in a relationship, I can’t hold that against you. What I can’t tolerate, however, is this sense that anyone who doesn’t follow you in that decision is somehow a “cuck” or a “simp.”
    If there is nothing wrong with going your own way then why do you shame men that do? You also need to learn the definitions of cuck and simp. Nobody here shames anyone that enters into a relationship. We just put on our rubber boots cause we know the bullshit is coming.

    So much ink is spilled in the manosphere making ludicrously false claims about the nature of most relationships. The most common one I’ve noticed in MGTOW circles is that women are little more than financial drains on men. Firstly, this isn’t the 1950s anymore and women are pretty likely these days to be financially self-sufficient. Secondly, it assumes that—even if they are financially dependent on their men—that they bring nothing else of value to the man who might find it worthwhile to continue supporting her. Can we at least agree that human companionship has value that can’t be measured in dollars?
    Women are a financial drain on men. The system is designed to transfer wealth from men to women. Men are expected to be providers and settle for less. Women are taught that they always deserve better. We are expected to pay for everything yet women complain about a mythological wage gap. Human companionship is measured in dollars to women. You always here it in their expectations and what they want in a man.

    Yes, men still make on average more money than women, but the opposite is not exactly uncommon—a fact you would never guess by reading MGTOW forums. My wife used to make more money than me, then I overtook her, and now we make exactly (literally, down to the dollar) the same amount. Yes, this is cherry picking, but most of the people I know in my professional environment are in similar situations, where the man and woman make more or less the same amount.
    You are not special. Just an exception to the rule but it doesn't mean the rule doesn't apply. There are people that survive jumping or falling from a 10 story building. Doesn't mean that the majority would survive that.

    Lastly, for men who are supposedly giving the finger to women and just going off on their own...you sure do spend a lot of time thinking about, complaining about, insulting, or otherwise obsessing about women. Why?
    Another shaming tactic. The old "If you are going your own way then why do you talk about women?" bullshit. We educate. Think of it like this. A scientist doesn't like diseases. So why is he "obsessed with it" as you put it? To educate and find a cure! Knowledge is power!

    What about feminists? Why are feminists so obsessed with men? They're supposedly about women empowerment and women not needing men but every other post they make is about shit men do; what men can't get right; how they don't need men (ironic huh?); getting men to fight their battles. They call it ''allies'', etc.

    Tell me why my impressions are wrong.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Non-MGTOW View Post
    Okay, I’ve been ghosting the so-called “manosphere” for a while, and I have to say that the MGTOW segment of this community strikes me as the most disingenuous and possibly the saddest. Yeah, the incels are pretty sad, but they don’t seem to be in denial about who they are. Then there’s MGTOW, which basically seems to me like dishonest incels. Allow me to say that I don’t mean this to be insulting or degrading to anyone here. Had MGTOW or incel communities existed online when I was in my early 20s, I would have at least sympathized, because my success with women was legendarily bad.

    All the MGTOW memes seem to show men rebelling against women and “going their own way” by telling women to fuck off but...how many women are really upset that MGTOWs are no longer showing interest in them? How many of you had actual relationships, but decided they weren’t worth the headache? Don’t get me wrong—I’m sure some of you did. But in my perusing the manosphere, I get the distinct impression that that is the minority. Which would leave the rest as men who don’t have success with women just saying “fine, I don’t need you anyway.” And, frankly, there’s nothing wrong with that. I was tempted to just give up at one point too, but the difference seems to be that MGTOWs just exude this sense that they’re choosing this alternative when, in reality, it was forced on them.

    I should clarify that there’s nothing wrong with “going your own way.” Relationships aren’t for you and you want to be on your own? Great. You do what makes you happy, and if you value your independence too much to be locked in a relationship, I can’t hold that against you. What I can’t tolerate, however, is this sense that anyone who doesn’t follow you in that decision is somehow a “cuck” or a “simp.”

    So much ink is spilled in the manosphere making ludicrously false claims about the nature of most relationships. The most common one I’ve noticed in MGTOW circles is that women are little more than financial drains on men. Firstly, this isn’t the 1950s anymore and women are pretty likely these days to be financially self-sufficient. Secondly, it assumes that—even if they are financially dependent on their men—that they bring nothing else of value to the man who might find it worthwhile to continue supporting her. Can we at least agree that human companionship has value that can’t be measured in dollars?

    Yes, men still make on average more money than women, but the opposite is not exactly uncommon—a fact you would never guess by reading MGTOW forums. My wife used to make more money than me, then I overtook her, and now we make exactly (literally, down to the dollar) the same amount. Yes, this is cherry picking, but most of the people I know in my professional environment are in similar situations, where the man and woman make more or less the same amount.

    Lastly, for men who are supposedly giving the finger to women and just going off on their own...you sure do spend a lot of time thinking about, complaining about, insulting, or otherwise obsessing about women. Why?

    Tell me why my impressions are wrong.


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