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    Question The message of "First they came for them..." - I need an opinion on this.

    So yesterday I post a question on the r/MGTOW on reddit about a question came across and asked for an opinion (Here's the link: https://www.reddit.com/r/MGTOW/comme...hem_i_need_an/). That post, for reasons yet not clarified, got removed by the mods. This... left me with a scary precedent, so I'm going everywhere asking the same question for anyone who has decided to go your own way. In fact, because I don't know if this is a dangerous topic, opposing view or whatnot, I'm posting here on the unregistered sub-forum.

    Anyway, for the post itself, it follows:

    So I was mumbling around the internet feeling melancholic when stumbled into this WW2 quote on wikipedia:

    "First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a socialist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a trade unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."

    This quote got me thinking, can this be applied to my, and possibly our, situation as MGTOWs nowadays? I know there's no clear equivalent comparison here (at least not that I can see or express exactly) but considering how we are, in a way, secluding ourselves, doing more or less our own thing not actively spreading our message in a public way, could we end in a situation similar to whoever coined the quote above while being accused of what we're not?

    Could we, in a hypothetical scenario where censorship and culture grows to an level where we become silenced, end up alone against an entire world that will persecute us either for being what we are or for being what they would accuse/lies us to be? If so, what would happen? What would we do?

    Would we end up organizing together? Or would be simply picked off one by one harmlessly because we are secluded and going our own way alone? After all, there is no one speaking out for us right now, or at least, no on on mainstream channels or official positions, so what gives? What are the odds?

    I'm feeling philosophical today and this thought is scaring me. Can someone help me understand?

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    Re: The message of "First they came for them..." - I need an opinion on this.

    Maybe you got banned over there as a troll because, to me, your thinking is odd. Although, I think I've heard that they moderate differently over there, but I don't know.

    Examples of your odd thinking:

    In fact, because I don't know if this is a dangerous topic, opposing view or whatnot, I'm posting here on the unregistered sub-forum.
    You imply above that you had choice to post on our site as a registered member. If you are a registered member, I'd think you'd know of our Principles to know what's dangerous. If you are an old-time registered member, I'd think you'd know of our Principles by now. Seems to me you'd also know that we talk about this type of thing freely here, and have done so. It's well within our range of discussion.

    You are MGTOW and you couldn't gauge that? Don't you socialize over there on reddit forum? Don't you read our forum as an unregistered user?

    So you mumbled around the internet, saw that quote, got your reddit post removed, and then reacted to veer away from them and do a broadcast post, going everywhere asking the same question for anyone who has decided to go your own way?

    If only yesterday this happened, why didn't you stay with the reddit mods to work it out there or at least get their reason, but you decided in short order to go everywhere asking the same question? Everywhere, meaning you haven't evaluated any MGTOW place to see if they've already talked about this?

    Suggests to me that you are an outsider here, there, and everywhere, while asserting yourself as MGTOW. I could see a moderator dismissing you as a troll. I could see it.

    I wonder why you felt you had to carefully explain yourself in coming to us?

    Can someone help me understand?
    That sounds so troll-ish. Help you understand what? Individual opinions? They'll be written in English. What's to understand? How things will go in the future? No one here can predict the future. Do you think there is a manual to consult?

    So, you sound like an outsider to MGTOW discussion anywhere it occurs. Even so, your overall question is harmless to ask. Not dangerous. It's the odd stuff around it that's giving me pause as to your sincerity.

    Enough from me. Let's see what our members have to say to your request for prognosticated crystal ball information.
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    Re: The message of "First they came for them..." - I need an opinion on this.

    I'm feeling philosophical today and this thought is scaring me. Can someone help me understand?
    I'm feeling go fuck yourself today, and that's something anyone here can understand, you give me the creeps, worse than an incel, if I were moderator, the 20 lb. sleg'o'matic would come down on you!

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    Re: The message of "First they came for them..." - I need an opinion on this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unboxxed View Post
    Maybe you got banned over there as a troll because, to me, your thinking is odd. Although, I think I've heard that they moderate differently over there, but I don't know.

    Examples of your odd thinking:



    You imply above that you had choice to post on our site as a registered member. If you are a registered member, I'd think you'd know of our Principles to know what's dangerous. If you are an old-time registered member, I'd think you'd know of our Principles by now. Seems to me you'd also know that we talk about this type of thing freely here, and have done so. It's well within our range of discussion.

    You are MGTOW and you couldn't gauge that? Don't you socialize over there on reddit forum? Don't you read our forum as an unregistered user?

    So you mumbled around the internet, saw that quote, got your reddit post removed, and then reacted to veer away from them and do a broadcast post, going everywhere asking the same question for anyone who has decided to go your own way?

    If only yesterday this happened, why didn't you stay with the reddit mods to work it out there or at least get their reason, but you decided in short order to go everywhere asking the same question? Everywhere, meaning you haven't evaluated any MGTOW place to see if they've already talked about this?

    Suggests to me that you are an outsider here, there, and everywhere, while asserting yourself as MGTOW. I could see a moderator dismissing you as a troll. I could see it.

    I wonder why you felt you had to carefully explain yourself in coming to us?



    That sounds so troll-ish. Help you understand what? Individual opinions? They'll be written in English. What's to understand? How things will go in the future? No one here can predict the future. Do you think there is a manual to consult?

    So, you sound like an outsider to MGTOW discussion anywhere it occurs. Even so, your overall question is harmless to ask. Not dangerous. It's the odd stuff around it that's giving me pause as to your sincerity.

    Enough from me. Let's see what our members have to say to your request for prognosticated crystal ball information.
    Okay, message received. I did not intended to troll anyone, I just wanted an opinion since my question is goddamn subjective in nature probably has not clear answer, but okay. I know there's not a GODDAMN manual for the mgtows. Everyone goes they own way in they own way. It's on the the phrase.

    I'm kinda of an outsider given I more like lurk around instead of interacting, and I did try engage with mods (with no success or answer of their part) which led me broaden my option in asking everywhere. But regardless, if you think I'm a troll, then I will not bother you. I just didn't quite expect this kind of an answer from people I actually have sympathy and agreements with.

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    Re: The message of "First they came for them..." - I need an opinion on this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unboxxed View Post
    Maybe you got banned over there as a troll because, to me, your thinking is odd.
    Also I didn't get banned. They just removed my post.

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    Re: The message of "First they came for them..." - I need an opinion on this.

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    I'm feeling go fuck yourself today, and that's something anyone here can understand, you give me the creeps, worse than an incel, if I were moderator, the 20 lb. sleg'o'matic would come down on you!

    Fear has no home here, therefore neither do you, that's why my boot in on your neck, so you can under-stand.
    I see, then let us die together should the worse possible situation comes to happen. I didn't got banned (they just removed the post) but oh well. Be happy brother, you seem a bit angry and creeped out, like me I guess.

    I am the one going in the Red Pill Rage here, not you.

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    Re: The message of "First they came for them..." - I need an opinion on this.

    I don't know if the unregisterd guest is a troll or not but this is my two cents.

    MGTOW is not about changing everything or speaking out. It is about self-preservation and is a natural reaction to feminism.

    I don't really like shaming those who aren't "speaking out" because it seems like it's a trap. It's a trap to get those who just want to be left alone to "out" themselves as someone who doesn't conform. You can't blame those who ghost in plain sight because they are just trying to survive.
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    Re: The message of "First they came for them..." - I need an opinion on this.

    Okay so I do not actually think this questioner is a troll, and if he/she is, I still think the question raised is actually very valuable.

    Here is my take on the situation.

    I agree with the worries raised in the OP. MGTOW, as I see it, will cease to exist sooner rather than later. Hear me out gentlemen. The reason is because as the OP mentions, MGTOW tend to be a very isolated and reclusive bunch. The constant fractures along racial, ethnic, religious lines also do not help at all - Jagr mentioned this in a post a long while ago about how damaging the ethnocentricity of certain members on this forum is.

    Now, MGTOW is all about personal FREEDOM. So, if so and so MGTOW wants to stay at home, play video games all day and do JACK SHIT; then I support him. If he wants to write articles about gender dynamics, I support him also. If he wants to spend his time being miserable and hating the world; then I support him also.

    MGTOW is very rich and complicated, but also simple and sincere way to look at the world.

    Regarding to when the PTB come to get MGTOW and throw us in Jail for our views on the modern world; well this is already happening and so and so MGTOW will make the choice that he makes.

    I choose to remain anonymous. I could speak out, and have wanted to, but I choose not to. This will obviously mean that I do not spread my views far and wide and will have less effect. There is a certain strength in speaking freely; but as Bonobo mentions, when people ask you to speak freely - they could very very very very well be trapping you into outing yourself and therefore destroying your livelihood.

    There will be MGTOW who will be taken to Jail for their views in the future - in merry old England, we already have "hate speech" laws. Press freedom is under huge pressure.

    We then move into the philosophical realm. The realm we have to pose the following question: "how do you, as an individual MGTOW respond to an injustice?". The injustice where women get to milk your productive capacity and use their sexuality to manipulate you and get ahead in life?

    Well, that comes back to what we mentioned earlier, the indivudla MGTOW will choose their own way. They may decide to "game" the system (e.g say one thing but believe another), they may manipulate those who manipulate them. If they are a religious MGTOW like a devout christian, they may follow scripture and be honest and forthright, regardless of the situation they end up in.

    They may just choose to be angry and miserable and hate the injustice they suffer on a daily basis, and they may well end up going to the grave with that hatred.

    There simply is not "right" or "wrong" way of reposing to the injustice.

    MGTOW is about choosing to respond in the way you see fit for your needs and desires. This may mean becoming a very manipulative and greedy person (a phase I went through). It may mean you end up rejecting the world and living off the grid.

    One possibility is that when the PTB come for us, we can change the label of MGTOW into something else. This is being considered and we now actually have offshoots.

    The response to the injustice will also depend on the type of MGTOW, where he is in his "MGTOW development phase".

    The one thing you simply cannot deny is that the "average man", what I call the "everyday man" has been oppressed since the beginning of time. MGTOW does not include all men, they hyper hyper upper class alphas cannot be MGTOW - they may help us out, but they cannot be MGTOW because they have instant access to money, power, prestige, sex and resources.

    The real issue here is that the "average man" always has his masculinity degraded, rejected. His desires and ambitions are always "policed" controlled and ultimately a man is not allowed to be a man, and so this is why MGTOW was born; it is a new masculine identity in response to they destruction of the old masculine identity which was pretty shit as well, but had some little benefit.

    Hope this makes it all clear.

    P.S you may refer to this post of mine regarding injustice, it may be interesting read.

    https://www.goingyourownway.com/mgto...ight=injustice
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    Re: The message of "First they came for them..." - I need an opinion on this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    I'm feeling philosophical today and this thought is scaring me. Can someone help me understand?
    Learn to keep your mouth shut and you'll never have a problem.

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    Re: The message of "First they came for them..." - I need an opinion on this.

    I was away from the site yesterday so the OP's posts #4, 5, and 6 did not get approved to appear until after Posts #7, 8, and 9 appeared. Don't want the OP to think he got purposely suppressed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    if you think I'm a troll,
    Well, I thought you could be, and I often respond in a way that allows people other than the OP to follow my thinking. Unlike reddit, I allowed your post to go through.

    I see you have responses from members with which to continue a conversation, if you like.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    Also I didn't get banned. They just removed my post.
    I stand corrected. Thank you.
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