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    Could Incels have any common ground with MGTOW?

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    To make a long story short, I stumbled upon a cadre of incels-- who having fled reddit are now in the midst of forming a new community. They've expressed a desire to make contact with MGTOW, but I've held back pointing them to this space due to the general zaniness in their movement (i.e. constant infighting by calling each other cucks, trying to draw attention to themselves and play chicken with the Feds by calling serial killers 'saints')

    In that sense they come across as young and stupid-- but one thing I find puzzling is how they draw many of their memes and lingo from "blackpill science". Their wikis tend to be well-organized, and there seems to be a fair amount of crossover with redpill knowledge (they just react to it differently-- their focus seems to be more on copes and physiognomy).

    https://incels.wiki/w/Main_Page

    I'm just wondering if you guys have any opinions on this schism between MGTOW and Incel. Have you experienced any Incel "invasions"-- and do you think there's any chance for RedPill/BlackPill integration, or are the philosophies too different?

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    Re: Could Incels have any common ground with MGTOW?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chevelle's Punchline View Post
    They've expressed a desire to make contact with MGTOW, but I've held back pointing them to this space
    Please continue to hold back on any such impulse. Thank you.

    I'm just wondering if you guys have any opinions on this schism between MGTOW and Incel. Have you experienced any Incel "invasions"-- and do you think there's any chance for RedPill/BlackPill integration, or are the philosophies too different?
    Here, it sounds like you are being an advance scout for that cadre to find them a new home. Hope not. We are not the place. Incels are not welcome here.

    There would be no invasion and certainly no integration on this site. All registrants are required to post a valid Intro and we pay attention to this. Whatever common ground there is can be discussed anywhere outside of registration here. It's a world wide web whereas this space is ours.
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    Re: Could Incels have any common ground with MGTOW?

    Here, it sounds like you are being an advance scout for that cadre to find them a new home. Hope not. We are not the place. Incels are not welcome here.
    Agreed.

    As much as I hate labels, INCELS need to know that MGTOW IS DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED in terms of their ideological narrative.
    They are still holding for that special someone, and from my experience, would not mind looking down upon a man who has gone his own way.

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    Re: Could Incels have any common ground with MGTOW?

    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post
    Agreed.

    As much as I hate labels, INCELS need to know that MGTOW IS DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED in terms of their ideological narrative.
    They are still holding for that special someone, and from my experience, would not mind looking down upon a man who has gone his own way.

    Thanks, but no thanks!
    I'm not so sure that they're holding out for a special someone, as their movement seems to have a distinct nihilistic bent as opposed to a constructive one. One thing I find curious though is they're not as concerned about "holding frame" as MGTOW are. They express sadness over the loss of women.

    For all the good brought about by the GYOW philosophy, is it not prohibitive to tell another man what their feelings should be?

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    Re: Could Incels have any common ground with MGTOW?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chevelle's Punchline View Post
    For all the good brought about by the GYOW philosophy, is it not prohibitive to tell another man what their feelings should be?
    MGTOWs don't tell ANYONE how they should think or what they should feel, frankly for the most part we just don't care.

    We don't say "If you wish to join us you must think this way or that.", we say "If you DO happen to think and feel the same way as us, then you're welcome, if not go elsewhere!".

    Any other opinion you or anybody else may have about us is irrelevant.
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    Re: Could Incels have any common ground with MGTOW?

    If we could help, I could see cooperating. But I cant think of anything we do other than taking care of ourselves that would help them a bit. We're trying to escape the plantation, not sign up.
    Every day I make the world a little bit worse.

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    Re: Could Incels have any common ground with MGTOW?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chevelle's Punchline View Post
    I'm not so sure that they're holding out for a special someone, as their movement seems to have a distinct nihilistic bent as opposed to a constructive one. One thing I find curious though is they're not as concerned about "holding frame" as MGTOW are. They express sadness over the loss of women.

    For all the good brought about by the GYOW philosophy, is it not prohibitive to tell another man what their feelings should be?
    I'll agree with you that some MGTOW try to 'hold frame' when in fact they feel powerless and sad. But letting go of said ''frame'' doesn't always bring benefits. You need to ''hold frame'' in life, at work, with women, even with best friends. That is the way the world works - and we try to teach that to the newer and younger members on this forum.

    Regarding sadness. I can assure you that I have felt sad about the ''romantic'' aspect of my life.
    I would of course like to be in a different situation where I can go out, have an active social life, meet up with female friends, acquaintances, lovers, girlfriends, sex friends and all sorts. Unfortunately, we don't live in that world since the majority of women only open their legs for the top 3% of men.

    I am not sad about this kind of female behaviour, just sad that I spent so much time and effort whiteout knowing how the world really works - MGTOW taught me how the world actually works between men and women.

    Since I am below average in height, looks, wealth - I won't have a chance. It's a definite NO. So why spend time/money/effort on women?

    I can assure you that I do wish things were different. A world where every man can find himself not just one women, but several women to have casual sex, short term relationships, long terms relationships, novel sexual experiences. All the goodies of life.

    I did go through the process of mourning my situation, but eventually you come out of that by picking up hobbies, focusing on work, social activities, endeavours or some MGTOW may even find a 'higher' calling.

    I would agree that no one should tell anyone else how they feel. Interestingly, this is why I don't like INCELS, because they want to tell MGTOW that they should continue mourning, being sad, miserable and continue to hash and rehash ''old wounds'' as it were.

    We MGTOW have passed that stage - INCELS INSIST UPON STAYING AT THIS STAGE. This is where MGTOW and INCELS are DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED.

    Most Incels I have heard about seem to pissed off that MGTOW have reached the stage where they don't care. And this is again another strong point of difference between MGTOW and Incels.

    So as you can see, there is simply too much difference - that is why MGTOW needs to be left alone.

    We do not want to corrupt our way of life by:

    Incels, blue pillers, purple pillers, tradcons, or any other variety which puts men in a subordinate position in the current gynocracy. WE DO NOT WANT TO PAY FOR OTHERS, WE DO NOT CARE ABOUT OTHERS AND WE DEFINITELY DO NOT WANT TO WORK ANOTHER DAY IN THE PLANTATION.

    THIS IS A RED LINE FOR MGTOW.
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    Re: Could Incels have any common ground with MGTOW?

    There is no common ground!

    Incels are blind to the truth and are still hung up on trying to get the Girl.....

    In MGTOW we know the truth and refuse and reject the Plantation...
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    Re: Could Incels have any common ground with MGTOW?

    I think we would become very frustrated with each other very quickly.

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    Re: Could Incels have any common ground with MGTOW?

    I feel sorry for the damn fools, just like I feel sorry for all the dumb granny's that have messed up their life's and now expect me to fix it. But like they say, you cant fix stupid.
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