Thread: Could Incels have any common ground with MGTOW?

https://saidit.net/s/Incels/

To make a long story short, I stumbled upon a cadre of incels-- who having fled reddit are now in the midst of forming a new community. They've expressed a desire to make contact with MGTOW, but I've held back pointing them to this space due to the general zaniness in their movement (i.e. constant infighting by calling each other cucks, trying to draw attention to themselves and play chicken with the Feds by calling serial killers 'saints')

In that sense they come across as young and stupid-- but one thing I find puzzling is how they draw many of their memes and lingo from "blackpill science". Their wikis tend to be well-organized, and there seems to be a fair amount of crossover with redpill knowledge (they just react to it differently-- their focus seems to be more on copes and physiognomy).

https://incels.wiki/w/Main_Page

I'm just wondering if you guys have any opinions on this schism between MGTOW and Incel. Have you experienced any Incel "invasions"-- and do you think there's any chance for RedPill/BlackPill integration, or are the philosophies too different?

Originally Posted by Chevelle's Punchline

They've expressed a desire to make contact with MGTOW, but I've held back pointing them to this space

Please continue to hold back on any such impulse. Thank you.

I'm just wondering if you guys have any opinions on this schism between MGTOW and Incel. Have you experienced any Incel "invasions"-- and do you think there's any chance for RedPill/BlackPill integration, or are the philosophies too different?

Here, it sounds like you are being an advance scout for that cadre to find them a new home. Hope not. We are not the place. Incels are not welcome here.

There would be no invasion and certainly no integration on this site. All registrants are required to post a valid Intro and we pay attention to this. Whatever common ground there is can be discussed anywhere outside of registration here. It's a world wide web whereas this space is ours.

Here, it sounds like you are being an advance scout for that cadre to find them a new home. Hope not. We are not the place. Incels are not welcome here.

Agreed.

As much as I hate labels, INCELS need to know that MGTOW IS DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED in terms of their ideological narrative.
They are still holding for that special someone, and from my experience, would not mind looking down upon a man who has gone his own way.

Thanks, but no thanks!

Originally Posted by Opaque

Agreed.

As much as I hate labels, INCELS need to know that MGTOW IS DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED in terms of their ideological narrative.
They are still holding for that special someone, and from my experience, would not mind looking down upon a man who has gone his own way.

Thanks, but no thanks!

I'm not so sure that they're holding out for a special someone, as their movement seems to have a distinct nihilistic bent as opposed to a constructive one. One thing I find curious though is they're not as concerned about "holding frame" as MGTOW are. They express sadness over the loss of women.

For all the good brought about by the GYOW philosophy, is it not prohibitive to tell another man what their feelings should be?

Originally Posted by Chevelle's Punchline

For all the good brought about by the GYOW philosophy, is it not prohibitive to tell another man what their feelings should be?

MGTOWs don't tell ANYONE how they should think or what they should feel, frankly for the most part we just don't care.

We don't say "If you wish to join us you must think this way or that.", we say "If you DO happen to think and feel the same way as us, then you're welcome, if not go elsewhere!".

Any other opinion you or anybody else may have about us is irrelevant.

If we could help, I could see cooperating. But I cant think of anything we do other than taking care of ourselves that would help them a bit. We're trying to escape the plantation, not sign up.

Originally Posted by Chevelle's Punchline

I'm not so sure that they're holding out for a special someone, as their movement seems to have a distinct nihilistic bent as opposed to a constructive one. One thing I find curious though is they're not as concerned about "holding frame" as MGTOW are. They express sadness over the loss of women.

For all the good brought about by the GYOW philosophy, is it not prohibitive to tell another man what their feelings should be?

I'll agree with you that some MGTOW try to 'hold frame' when in fact they feel powerless and sad. But letting go of said ''frame'' doesn't always bring benefits. You need to ''hold frame'' in life, at work, with women, even with best friends. That is the way the world works - and we try to teach that to the newer and younger members on this forum.

Regarding sadness. I can assure you that I have felt sad about the ''romantic'' aspect of my life.
I would of course like to be in a different situation where I can go out, have an active social life, meet up with female friends, acquaintances, lovers, girlfriends, sex friends and all sorts. Unfortunately, we don't live in that world since the majority of women only open their legs for the top 3% of men.

I am not sad about this kind of female behaviour, just sad that I spent so much time and effort whiteout knowing how the world really works - MGTOW taught me how the world actually works between men and women.

Since I am below average in height, looks, wealth - I won't have a chance. It's a definite NO. So why spend time/money/effort on women?

I can assure you that I do wish things were different. A world where every man can find himself not just one women, but several women to have casual sex, short term relationships, long terms relationships, novel sexual experiences. All the goodies of life.

I did go through the process of mourning my situation, but eventually you come out of that by picking up hobbies, focusing on work, social activities, endeavours or some MGTOW may even find a 'higher' calling.

I would agree that no one should tell anyone else how they feel. Interestingly, this is why I don't like INCELS, because they want to tell MGTOW that they should continue mourning, being sad, miserable and continue to hash and rehash ''old wounds'' as it were.

We MGTOW have passed that stage - INCELS INSIST UPON STAYING AT THIS STAGE. This is where MGTOW and INCELS are DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED.

Most Incels I have heard about seem to pissed off that MGTOW have reached the stage where they don't care. And this is again another strong point of difference between MGTOW and Incels.

So as you can see, there is simply too much difference - that is why MGTOW needs to be left alone.

We do not want to corrupt our way of life by:

Incels, blue pillers, purple pillers, tradcons, or any other variety which puts men in a subordinate position in the current gynocracy. WE DO NOT WANT TO PAY FOR OTHERS, WE DO NOT CARE ABOUT OTHERS AND WE DEFINITELY DO NOT WANT TO WORK ANOTHER DAY IN THE PLANTATION.

THIS IS A RED LINE FOR MGTOW.

There is no common ground!

Incels are blind to the truth and are still hung up on trying to get the Girl.....

In MGTOW we know the truth and refuse and reject the Plantation...

I think we would become very frustrated with each other very quickly.

I feel sorry for the damn fools, just like I feel sorry for all the dumb granny's that have messed up their life's and now expect me to fix it. But like they say, you cant fix stupid.

I still find a fine woman in a bikini very enticing. I however do not have the knowledge or wisdom on how to get her from the beach into my bed. I do view women as a hinderance to my very happiness. I think they are essentially evil but if a girl in a bikini asked me into bed would I refuse.Probably not. Is an incel just an immature form of Mgtow.Possibly. I really wonder if women can feel love in the same way a man can.Can she truly be happy waking up next to her man or is she just a woken serpent.I ponder these things daily.

If an incel has truly walked away, then I'd say they deserve MGTOW status, if that's what they want. But if your still shopping, or hoping against hope that a unicorn will come your way, then your just fooling yourself. We hate to see women grind a guy up, but rather or not you pee on the electric fence is entirely up to you.

Not a one of us has an incel background, far as I know. I figure most of us have been married, and all of us have had girlfriends and relationships, however lame.

I still find a fine woman in a bikini very enticing.

So do I and every other healthy man.

I however do not have the knowledge or wisdom on how to get her from the beach into my bed.

It's not a matter of knowledge sir. There may be tips and advise you can learn. You can dress well and and get fit. But women reject you in advance if you aren't top 3%. You may get lucky like I do on occasion, but the exception does not disprove the rule.

I do view women as a hinderance to my very happiness.

Okay. Sure. I am less happy because I don't get to enjoy a woman's body and other sexual experiences. But that doesn't mean I am despondent.

I think they are essentially evil but if a girl in a bikini asked me into bed would I refuse.Probably not.

They are evil. By choice, they are morally corrupt. Not by nature. Many so called MGTOW make a massive error here.

Is an incel just an immature form of Mgtow

A MGTOW is a man who FREE & PROUD. He knows himself and his limitations. And he carries himself with dignity.
An incel is perpetually depressed. Sad. Angry. Melancholic and worst of all full of illusions about society and the female imperative.

I really wonder if women can feel love in the same way a man can.Can she truly be happy waking up next to her man or is she just a woken serpent.

Love does not exist. It is a form of insanity. Which often has lead men to commit the worst forms of self-subjection chasing it and wanting it from women.

Could Incels have any common ground with MGTOW?

This is an absolute no from this MGTOW.

https://is-a-cunt.com/2019/07/incels-are-cunts/

Despite being quite open minded, laissez faire, easy going etc incels are one group that still awakens the fury because why?.....why are you?

It doesn't make any sense and its like an extreme feminisation of thought processes presented via an apparenty male (not masculine....absolutely not masculine) lens.

I don't use strong language any more for any reason....except incels 'cos its totally fucking pathetic.

One thing I find curious though is they're not as concerned about "holding frame" as MGTOW are.

I'm not 'holding frame'. That 'frame' is the real deal and any deviation now would be a pretence or for purposes of convenience.

They express sadness over the loss of women.

Huh? The whole point is that ones idealisation is a self induced fantasy. The fact of the matter is just fine, its O.K, its reality....work with it....relax...enjoy!

Nobody 'lost women'.

For all the good brought about by the GYOW philosophy, is it not prohibitive to tell another man what their feelings should be?

Nobodies telling another man 'what their feelings should be' but the question was asked and a reply is forthcoming.

The strength of MGTOW is that the narratives have been corrected, quantified, qualified, tested, reviewed, criticised and even the harshest critics cannot really gainsay it bar NAWALT. But even so, MGTOW eventually goes beyond the all that into its own orbit....above all that shit but well able to engage if necessary.

Again, "is it not prohibitive to tell another man what their feelings should be?" as a rhetorical tool is a very feminine twist in response to something that nobody ever said.

Who told them what their feelings should be?

Despite being quite open minded, laissez faire, easy going etc incels are one group that still awakens the fury because why?.....why are you?

The amount of good things going on in this world, and incels insist that they have a right to a woman.

Neither does a woman have a right to a man's wallet, attention, even friendly conversation on the bus.

If we give rights to this or that group, then we need to give rights to other groups to make it fair - and we know the world just doesn't work like that - so best to not give anyone any rights.

No one has rights, rights do not exist. The truth is that might is right. That is what I have learned in my life.
And I am pissed off because I just learned this. If I had known it at an earlier age, I would have probably been a millionaire by now.

Stealing the format from Opaque's post above..

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I still find a fine woman in a bikini very enticing.

I do too, and I find them without bikini even more enticing. Heck, I practiced lot of anatomy drawing from porn !

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I however do not have the knowledge or wisdom on how to get her from the beach into my bed.

Same here, just like I do not have the knowledge or wisdom to entice a rattle snake or cobra to my bed. Gee I wonder why I never bothered to learn it... sounds like a useful skill to have !!

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I do view women as a hinderance to my very happiness.

Uhh, this problem I dont have cuz, dont know where you live, but where I am from, I have legal right to prevent any random woman (or man) from intruding my house and disrupting my work or happiness or whatever. And for some weird reason, they dont seem to go through all the trouble of breaking down the door and gate of my house, just to become hindrance to me.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I think they are essentially evil

Where I live, quite a lot of people, both men and women, are essentially evil.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

if a girl in a bikini asked me into bed would I refuse.Probably not.

I wouldnt either, its just that I'll tell her that she goes to her own bed in her own house or wherever, and I go to my bed in my house.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Is an incel just an immature form of Mgtow.

And here I am.. making an immature post...

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I really wonder if women can feel love in the same way a man can.

Cant say about women, but I cant feel that either...

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Can she truly be happy waking up next to her man or is she just a woken serpent.

Again, cant say about women. I'll DEFINITELY not be happy waking up to anyone or anything, unless its my lovely computer, which I sometimes use to make asinine posts on internet.

I just banned a registrant today who showed up because he was banned from incels.net for declaring himself Chad and/or blue pill (depending on which of his posts I read there). Somehow he thought he'd be welcome here.

Anyway, in reading a bit there, the comportment of the membership is so different from ours. As a Mod, I'd feel like Sidney Poitier in To Sir With Love.

Common ground is walking away from the plantation. That is the starting point for releasing the anger with the lies we were all taught at a very young age. In my humble opinion all paths lead to mgtow sooner or later.

Originally Posted by Azure Nomad

Common ground is walking away from the plantation. That is the starting point for releasing the anger with the lies we were all taught at a very young age. In my humble opinion all paths lead to mgtow sooner or later.

The definition of incel states "involuntary celibate", I don't see any common ground whatsoever, it leads me to believe incels are morbid in some way, simps in some way, grossly shy, or infatuated over women and can't be themselves, the definition alone tells me they have no control over who they are and how they come across to the opposing gender.

MGTOW is a lifestyle that's chosen, incel is a lifestyle that's dictated in one form or another, be it physical, psychological, or a combination of both, they're trapped no matter how you slice it, more so psychological than physical, only because I've seen some pretty grotesque dudes with some damned ugly faces pick up or date some pretty good looking women, you'd have to be morbidly grotesque with odor gland and bad breath problems to blame it all on physical!

There's no comparison between MGTOW and incels, we recognize the worthlessness of marriage and romance and the dangers it inherently brings, incels have no experience with women and don't understand their nature and the games they play.

All I do is think things through to get an idea where I'll be on the other side, and that alone is one on of many psychological beacons that guide me. I like my hull in deep charted waters, not barrier reefs!

Originally Posted by mgtower

The definition of incel states "involuntary celibate", I don't see any common ground whatsoever, it leads me to believe incels are morbid in some way, simps in some way, grossly shy, or infatuated over women and can't be themselves, the definition alone tells me they have no control over who they are and how they come across to the opposing gender.

MGTOW is a lifestyle that's chosen, incel is a lifestyle that's dictated in one form or another, be it physical, psychological, or a combination of both, they're trapped no matter how you slice it, more so psychological than physical, only because I've seen some pretty grotesque dudes with some damned ugly faces pick up or date some pretty good looking women, you'd have to be morbidly grotesque with odor gland and bad breath problems to blame it all on physical!

There's no comparison between MGTOW and incels, we recognize the worthlessness of marriage and romance and the dangers it inherently brings, incels have no experience with women and don't understand their nature and the games they play.

All I do is think things through to get an idea where I'll be on the other side, and that alone is one on of many psychological beacons that guide me. I like my hull in deep charted waters, not barrier reefs!

The reason Incels are anti-MGTOW and will never be accepted into our fold is the same reason why BP, Tradcons and other groups will never be accepted.

They look at the world through the female perspective.

Incel: I cannot get laid and women should be obliged to open their legs for me.
Tradcon: If I work hard, shower and brush my teeth, women will become attracted to me.
Blue Piller: I am such a nice guy, why are women not interested in me?

And so on. You get the picture.

MGTOW never references women. It is a very small part of the whole - the entirety of the gynocentric system which we are making a conscious choice to refute.

MGTOW always look at issues through their own individual lens. That is why we do not need a leader, or have to rely on Dogma. MGTOW is actually quite dynamic and is very helpful for critical thinking skills.