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    Wombat and Nacho

    I'm replying to Nacho in a new thread because I don't want it to get drowned in all the other replies. I'll put it on "nonmembers and opposing views" so that Nacho can reply if he likes.

    My first reaction to Nacho's post was "that's bullshit, that never happened", but the more I think about it, the more I recall, and much of it is mostly accurate.

    In respect of the toilets:


    When I first found out about MGTOW, I was all keen to be activist and let the world know. I found the "post stuff in mens toilets" idea on the web somewhere. I printed off some stickers that had a link to Nacho's forum as a QR code. I was going for the curiosity angle: at the time, QR code decoders were not standard on everyone's phones, and I figured that only tech-savvy people would know about it. I think I put one in a mall, and I was going to put one at my local, but I knew the manager, and started to think things through, and realised just what a stupid idea it all was.

    I was not handing out slips of paper, I certainly did not put "if you hate women, go to this forum" on anything, but if someone was doing that I understand now why Nacho's comments on the idea were as pungent as they were, if he thought it was me doing that. I thought at the time that he was a bit over the top, but now I have some context. It's nice to know, and I'm having to readjust my ideas about the incident.

    I did make a post promoting the idea on Nacho's forum and was banned. I contacted Nacho and he was good enough to rescind the ban. I may have contacted Domains by Proxy to get his email - I recall using whois, so that's where it would have led me. Nacho's site did not have a Nonmember section, there was no other way to make my case. I wouldn't have asked Domains by Proxy to rescind the ban - what would have been the point? They just supply DNS services. As for "emergency", "relative", and "spam", I have no idea.

    In respect of the communism:

    I was banned by - I thought it might have been AceFrancis, but I kinda remember there being a number in the name, so it might have been fairi5fair - basically for being insufficiently Guns, God, and Freedom. Yeah, I'm to the left of a lot of people on these forums. Maybe it's because Australia was never a fruited plain waiting to be colonised, but is mostly inhospitable desert. In any case, I remember contacting Nacho again and protesting that the ban was not for being anti-MGTOW, but just because the mod didn't like my politics, and he unbanned me again I hope because I was being reasonable and the mod wasn't.

    I'm still left of most people here, and I have never tried to disguise it. I think universal health care is a great idea, and I'm happy to support it with my tax dollar. In fact, just about every developed nation part from the USA thinks so, too. If that makes me a commie, the the US is the only non-commie nation north of the equator.

    (I also think the 2nd amendment was a bonehead move, one which our new nation in 1901 was wise to not copy. Same comments apply.)

    In respect of the money:

    I did contribute to the site, and $500 sounds about right. I don't recall at any point saying "Nacho, here's half a G to not get banned". As I recall, I still wanted to do something for the movement, and contributing to Nacho's site was a good way to do that.

    I was banned and unbanned a couple of times, more than a couple, and I recall concluding that yes, it probably was because I was a financial contributor.

    And so what? How many of the other members there actually put some cash where their mouths were? I'm happy to have done it.

    I have not donated money here, Jagr has never asked, and I suspect that he is financial enough to be able to afford hosting for a medium-small website.

    In respect of my comments about Nacho:


    One day, Nacho just up and hit the off switch on his forum. Gone. I had been contributing for at least a couple of years at that point. All gone. Yes, I was slightly pissed and so was everyone else.

    The general consensus was that he had had some sort of breakdown. Plenty of reason to believe that: his posts had gotten more and more erratic.

    When the forum came back on, there were banner ads all over it, including on my content that I had contributed to support the site, and yeah I was pissed about that, too.

    It remains the case, however, that Nacho is a pioneer and we all owe him a debt. Maybe someone would eventually do a mgtow forum, but Nacho did it first. His "benevolent dictator" model of site governance worked great for a long time, and it's working well here, too. Staying away from reddit, wordpress, all the corporate "it's so easy to create a website" was and remains a smart move.

    EDIT: You know, it would be great to hear the whole story from Nacho himself. Maybe we were all wrong, and Nacho's warnings about nefarious doings by Paul Elam aren't just ranting. Maybe his site was seized somehow, and those banner ads weren't his at all.

    In respect of Keymaster:


    Yeah, I thought Keymaster was Nacho. And I wasn't the only one. IIRC, the style was pretty similar. If I am wrong about that, well: I guess I was wrong about that. Forget why we kicked that guy, but my post at the time thinks it was well-deserved.

    In respect of Paul Elam:


    I thought Elam was doing God's good work. MRA, MGTOW, and PUA being the three "arms" of the men's movement.

    And then his site started posting content by women.

    Haven't kept track of Elam since I got banned there, too. I got a letter from one of his committee personally - not from the Great Man himself, of course - that when they brought down the new CoC they were specifically watching me (among others) for an excuse to kick. Didn't know I was known to important people, but there you go.

    Finding out that the people who had it in for me on Nacho's forum were working for Elam all along - if Nacho is right about that, well, I don't know that I could wish for better credentials to be here.

    In respect of my being a mod here:

    Jagr asked me to mod the site back when the place was in a bit of a decline and most of the other mods were no longer active. I think he asked me because I was one of the most long-standing members that was still around.

    I have never banned anyone for being insufficiently socialist. I have banned people for
    • insulting other members
    • being women
    • trashing this site or mgtow in general
    • being obviously, genuinely crazy
    • being cunty about the fact that site has rules that apply to them


    It's not my site - I just mod here occasionally.

    And finally:


    I made it clear that if Elam got his way then MGTOW would be dead within a few years
    Relax! MGTOW ain't dead. The sheer number of "Where have all the good men gone?" articles in the media is heartwarming. There are some really great youtube channels - I'm liking Taylor the Fiend at the moment, although he's smart enough to plan for the day YouTube kicks him.

    I was all set to go with both barrels in my reply to Nacho's post, but the more I read, the less there is to complain about. Nacho is mostly just pissed that I thought he was Keymaster, which - sorry, man. Water under the bridge now.

    The rest of his big secret revelations about Wombat: meh. Gave money. Got banned heaps. Turns out the guys banning me were shills. Was wrong about Elam.

    I'm pretty good about it all. Anyone else think there's an issue?
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    Re: Wombat and Nacho

    Nacho was before my time and I'm not sure how we'd a got on. His short return several years ago is all I have to work with. I liked him at first, but sad to report he got old fast. He couldn't resist stirring up shit with some (make that most) of his former members, who for their part weren't rolling out the red carpet for their old bud. A certain amount of that's ok, but Nach didn't know when to quit. And pioneer or not, it's Jag's site now. Nach kind of forgot that. He's got a temper too; I can see why he needs his own site.

    Somewhere I heard that Keymaster dude lived in Portland Oregon. I'm not sure where Nacho calls home, but Portland probably ain't it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wombat View Post
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    Don't forget Wombat, I refunded you back your money, as I did with others. Elam posted up an article that I ran off with peoples money, until people commented that I hadn't, and he then swiftly withdrew that article.

    Also, you seem to forget that lurkers were bombarded with those adverts, which were 90% removed (to less intrusive Google Adsense) if they joined up. When I put the forum in READ ONLY (as in no-one could log in) mode, then people whether members or not would see what lurkers would see - a ton of adverts which had been normal practice for like 3 years. So god knows why your Marxist noggin is at a loss on that one. Too much man-made-up Climate Change + all the vaccinations you've had in that that Covid Hoax fascist shithole country of yours called Oz.

    You couldn't wait to lick my arse when I made a brief comeback to troll MGTOWHandsomeQueers, but then you stuck in the knife when you thought I wasn't looking.

    A lesson to those who look to start forums, stick with your gut when you ban someone...do not un-ban them. Had I not unbanned Wombat, his only home would have been the dead forums at the time and then the "A Vagina For Manginas" Forum.

    You ain't got the bus fare Wombat, Jag needs to ditch your Marxist hoax pushing rear end pronto because you're a big ass liability to this place.

    Take care big boy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frog View Post
    Nacho was before my time and I'm not sure how we'd a got on. His short return several years ago is all I have to work with. I liked him at first, but sad to report he got old fast. He couldn't resist stirring up shit with some (make that most) of his former members, who for their part weren't rolling out the red carpet for their old bud. A certain amount of that's ok, but Nach didn't know when to quit. And pioneer or not, it's Jag's site now. Nach kind of forgot that. He's got a temper too; I can see why he needs his own site.

    Somewhere I heard that Keymaster dude lived in Portland Oregon. I'm not sure where Nacho calls home, but Portland probably ain't it.
    Why do you even comment on something you know nothing about? You exhibit mangina/white knight behaviour by doing that...in my day Hasmat would have had you gone in an instant with that kind of talk.

    I ran the biggest MGTOW forum on the Internet which no other forum before or since has come close to in popularity. I made it abundantly clear to the likes of Wombat and the others that MGTOW would die if we didn't deal with AVFM and Elam. The likes of Wombat were too busy hanging around in mens public toilets, as he's already admitted, to see what was coming. Many others were working for Elam, particularly weed head FairyI5aFairy.

    The very people you suck up to are the very people who killed MGTOW. I may have nuked my forum but the likes of Wombat killed MGTOW because they preferred a community which was a maximum of single figures and full of incels. With my forum, we were getting picked up by the big publications and would see 100,000s of visits in one day...which of course equaled a lot of cash for me too. You see, I was smart...if I were to put my career and identity on the line then that shit had to pay, and indeed it did. I started the forum on Godaddy shared hosting at 40 bucks for the year and finished on a dedicated server with 1Gbps pipe at nearly 1k per year. We could have finished AVFM...but you know, the Wombat apathy was everywhere.

    In fact, what spooked Elam was that for 3 months we overtook A Voice For Men in the Alexa rankings. Then it was suggested to Elam that he open up his own forum and invite all those who we had banned, and believe me he had some nasty people on that forum which included paedophiles and that Oz loony Peter Nolan - is there something going in Oz??? Something in the water perhaps? After I shut down MGTOWforums, it was hilarious to watch Elam then ban all the scum he'd invited into his circle jerk...which then led him to shut down his own forum.

    Now what's left? Nowt but the smouldering ruins of a bygone era...

    Question you should all ask those who slag off me and my forum is this: if my forum was so bad, and I was such a bastard, then why did the likes of Wombat do all they could to get into the forum? It's rather like the South Africa Apartheid question. If apartheid was so frickin bad, then why did just about every young black guy in sub Saharan Africa do all they could to illegally enter Apartheid South Africa? Why?...the answer is because they are those out there who know how to run things, and know how to impose order where there is chaos. Unfortunately for this forum, Wombat ain't either of things.

    Jag, get rid of Wombat please...he's knifed me in the back and it'll be you next. And hasn't he already broken the forum rules on shit talking the admin of MGTOWforums?

    Out of all those who made an effort to carry on what I started, Jag is the guy who did exactly that. The Handsome Queers of MGTOWHQ did Elam's bidding in running down MGTOW to handful of weirdos, but Jag stayed strong.

    All the best

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    You have a nice day too Nach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frog View Post
    You have a nice day too Nach.
    Oh I always do.


    All the best everyone!

    Nacho

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    Don't forget Wombat, I refunded you back your money, as I did with others. Elam posted up an article that I ran off with peoples money, until people commented that I hadn't, and he then swiftly withdrew that article.
    I don't remember that specifically, but I believe it. And: don't care. The donation was intended as a gift: that's what 'donation' means. When I give people stuff, I don't track it. Loans, yes. But gifts, no.
    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    Also, you seem to forget that lurkers were bombarded with those adverts, which were 90% removed (to less intrusive Google Adsense) if they joined up. When I put the forum in READ ONLY (as in no-one could log in) mode, then people whether members or not would see what lurkers would see - a ton of adverts which had been normal practice for like 3 years. So god knows why your Marxist noggin is at a loss on that one. Too much man-made-up Climate Change + all the vaccinations you've had in that that Covid Hoax fascist shithole country of yours called Oz.
    The reason my marxist noggin is at a loss on that one is that I never saw those ads because I was a member of the site. I didn't even know that those ads were a thing. I guess that explains another mystery.
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    You couldn't wait to lick my arse when I made a brief comeback to troll MGTOWHandsomeQueers, but then you stuck in the knife when you thought I wasn't looking.
    Now there's a man who just can't take a compliment. If "arse licking" means me saying that you are a pioneer in online mgtow, that your forum was important and valuable - dude, I'm just spitting facts.
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    A lesson to those who look to start forums, stick with your gut when you ban someone...do not un-ban them. Had I not unbanned Wombat, his only home would have been the dead forums at the time and then the "A Vagina For Manginas" Forum.
    Yeah, and I guess your site would have had one fewer member that wasn't an Elam subversive. I contributed to your site, man. I posted content.
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    You ain't got the bus fare Wombat, Jag needs to ditch your Marxist hoax pushing rear end pronto because you're a big ass liability to this place.
    Well, that's up to Jagr, I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrWombat
    I was banned by - I thought it might have been AceFrancis, but I kinda remember there being a number in the name, so it might have been fairi5fair
    This is Ace Francis, and lurked at Nachos forums for near a year or months before I finally signed up. Then he blew it the place up one day a few months in. I have never been a moderator anywhere.

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    Re: Wombat and Nacho

    Hi Ace, nice to hear from ya. Hope your doing good.
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    Hi Ace, nice to hear from ya. Hope your doing good.
    Thank you, Frog, nice to hear from you too! I'm doing pretty good. Or pretty okay, I should say. I exchanged some phone numbers with old timers.. years ago, and they were such a great help in getting through some situations that had nothing to do at all with women. Very intelligent and definitely individualistic in the good way (not in the forced individualism way).

    I still regularly read the forum. Glad to see quite a few topics discussed so that it isn't one trick pony. ("He thinks all woman are about 'tricks.' Sexist pig!"... Okay, that's more 1980s anti-mail shaming tactics then this century's)

    Anyhow, You all take care. Since intros are not required I almost thought of creating an ID to log back on. But I decided not to do that. No hard feelings, but it sort of is what it is, hahaha. "Keep on rocking in the free world"... Maybe not a great example, the writer of that song, Neil Young, I vaguely recall pushing for some cancel culture bit somewhere...anyhow..rock on!


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