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    Woman Who Agrees With MGTOW

    Hey!

    I've actually been a long-time lurker about many MGTOW forums and the sub-reddit.

    I tend to agree with a LOT of what this forum has to say about women (myself included).

    Something that I would really LOVE is to be able to think more with logic than with emotions... emotions can get one into so much trouble!

    Sorry for rambling a bit, I'm just super happy to be here, and I'm really grateful there's a space where I can finally post. I didn't join the old forums or post on the sub-reddit because I didn't want to intrude on your spaces where you could actually post accurate things about women without getting shit on.

    If anyone is open to a conversation, I'd be happy to talk with you!

    Thank you guys again! I hope you have a great night!

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    Re: Woman Who Agrees With MGTOW

    Thanks for the support, however, I will have to permaban/close your membership. Membership here at goingyourownway.com is not open to women. This is, I'm afraid, not a "space where you can finally post".

    You are welcome to post here in the nonmembers area, but you will have to do it as a guest.

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    Re: Woman Who Agrees With MGTOW

    Good call.

    Since she supports us, I'm sure she'll agree that we men need our own space, all the more given we've been kicked out and de-platformed from other forums.

    There's WGTOW (Women Going Their Own Way) which is still active on Reddit if she subscribes to similar 'going your own way' philosophy.

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    I actually didn't know that you COULD post as a guest hahaha.

    I definitely do agree with your decision to ban me.

    I thought the way it works was that women could join the forum, but would be automatically banned if they posted anywhere else but the space allocated to them.

    Thank you for clearing up my misunderstanding.

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    Re: Woman Who Agrees With MGTOW

    Quote Originally Posted by UnregisteredOP View Post
    I thought the way it works was that women could join the forum, but would be automatically banned if they posted anywhere else but the space allocated to them.
    Potentially a possibility, I guess. It's down to the site owner, and I'm betting his position will be something like "I have a better idea: why don't they set up their own forum somewhere else?"

    A johnsmith suggests, maybe r/wgtow ?

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    Re: Woman Who Agrees With MGTOW

    ...I looked up the WGTOW. Um, no. It's a movement that is against "evil and oppressive men".

    While there are men out there who are abusive, most men in my life have been absolutely amazing, and I see their wives trying to oppress them.

    Apparently today, men are supposed to sit down and shut up and let women take the helm, but somehow women are the oppressed ones?

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    Re: Woman Who Agrees With MGTOW

    Thanks Tash, mostly we get cranks and nut cases in opposing views. Damn stupid one's at that, most of the time. A woman going by the name tarnished used to post here, she was different, I liked what she said. She hasn't been round lately though.

    I know a few women offline that treat everyone fairly, but I gotta say, their pretty rare.
    Every day I make the world a little bit worse.

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    Re: Woman Who Agrees With MGTOW

    Quote Originally Posted by frog View Post
    A woman going by the name tarnished used to post here, she was different, I liked what she said.
    Found one of her old posts and even her blog - she writes well:

    https://www.goingyourownway.com/mgto...e-thread-8148/

    https://tarnishedsophia.wordpress.co...nt-a-bad-idea/

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    Re: Woman Who Agrees With MGTOW

    Do you guys have any ideas on how I can learn to think more with my logic? Or is emotional thinking kinda my lot in life forever hahaha?

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    Re: Woman Who Agrees With MGTOW

    Quote Originally Posted by UnregisteredOP View Post
    Do you guys have any ideas on how I can learn to think more with my logic? Or is emotional thinking kinda my lot in life forever hahaha?
    You want to know something truthfully? Men can also be very emotional and let that sway their thinking and actions. Whether you are male or female the thing is to just take a step back rather than reacting to a situation or problem. Don't allow yourself or others push you into a response before you are ready.

    Just take that mental step back and think about what is happening. Think about it from different perspectives. You are ultimately in control of yourself if nothing or no one else.

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    Re: Woman Who Agrees With MGTOW

    Quote Originally Posted by UnregisteredOP View Post
    Do you guys have any ideas on how I can learn to think more with my logic? Or is emotional thinking kinda my lot in life forever hahaha?
    Perhaps try to avoid your most frequent reactions which are probably more emotional than logical, to then leave you exposed to secondary avenues of thought?
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    Re: Woman Who Agrees With MGTOW

    Thank you for your responses.

    I think the thing that gets me the most with my fellow women is the passive-aggressive bullshit that happens with them.

    I grew up around mostly guys, and I think that influenced my communication style a lot.

    For the longest time I couldn't make friends with other girls because I was too direct..

    I hate the fact that you have to navigate a freaking minefield when a woman asks you a question...one of my male friends had a shirt that said, "anything you say can and will be misquoted and used against you".

    I've gotten to the point where I CAN converse with females and be ok, but I'm still more comfortable talking with males.

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    Re: Woman Who Agrees With MGTOW

    Quote Originally Posted by UnregisteredOP View Post
    I grew up around mostly guys, and I think that influenced my communication style a lot.
    I bet it did. Made you speak more direct, like you say. I infer that you can also be spoken to directly without you feigning offense or otherwise supervising how you were spoken to (part of that minefield a guy faces).

    I find it interesting that Kryptic and I, both responding to you within minutes of each other, seem to have offered the same advice but expressed in different terms:

    take a step back rather than reacting = avoid your most frequent reactions

    Think about it from different perspectives = secondary avenues of thought

    His expression probably sounded more understandable, though.
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    The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation.
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    There are 10 types of people in the world - those who understand binary, and those who don't.

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    Yeah, you both have given similar answers, and I really appreciate it being reiterated because it's excellent advice. I do really need to work on taking a step back and thinking about things from another perspective.

    I can be spoken to directly without taking offense to things, yes...but I also DO have times when I'm overly sensitive to stupid crap...hence my question about not thinking out of my emotions.

    I'm also in the process of healing from abuse during my childhood, and that shit's rough, so things tend to be close to the surface.

    I've snapped at my boyfriend for shit that's coming up from my trauma, and that's so not fair to him at ALL, and I want to change it. I feel as though I'm getting better at recognizing when I'm having trauma come up and communicating that to him, so there's that.

    I don't want to be the abusive woman that I see a LOT with my family.

    A lot of the women seem to be very controlling of the men..."stop manspreading, that's disgusting"...ok, so you want them to crush their balls and then expect them to jump when you offer them sex? And if they don't have sex with you, you get offended?

    Again, rambling, but it's really nice to be able to talk about this stuff. I have so many females in my life that are jumping on the man-hating train, and it is so beyond ridiculous!

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    Re: Woman Who Agrees With MGTOW

    I wonder if any women at all ever stop and ponder what effect the woman's stampede to "liberation" has had on them individually, directly, indirectly, and overall to their personal paradigm and how they interact with opposite gender, or should I say multi tri unilateral among the 64 genders they fabricated in their heads.

    Get my drift?

    Have they ever held introspection practices in gender studies (where they discovered 64 separate but equal genders) but haven't discovered self?

    I can say one thing, whatever effect the woman's liberation/cultural revolution has had on women doesn't matter this far down that timeline (60 years), the only thing that matters is the effect it has on me. Women don't see themselves in the jaded light of their own deception.

    Introspection, realization, charting, direction, calibration, and plan of action are masculine traits. The same traits that gave me the psychological star charts to find my geographical position.

    Found myself in hostile territory and gained the tools to navigate it successfully.

    Women are blind and cannot see into the mind of a man nor their own, its why they cling together in one unified ball of insanity and misdirection.

    MGTOW have torn ourselves from a misguided and dangerous culture because we had to, it the only path for escape in a world of cultural horrors that no sane person can debate.

    Lady, you're in a bucket of rotten apples and if you look close enough, you just may find some cultural blight on yourself.

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    Re: Woman Who Agrees With MGTOW

    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    A lot of the women seem to be very controlling of the men..."stop manspreading, that's disgusting"...ok, so you want them to crush their balls and then expect them to jump when you offer them sex? And if they don't have sex with you, you get offended?
    It's enough to even expect a man to crush his balls, regardless of anything else. The supreme lack of understanding and humanity involving in the manspreading complaint should be embarrassing to women to show of themselves. But, it's not. It's to their deficit that one even has to explain to them why men spread their legs sometimes. Women should be able to figure it out on their own. I think they already know. But, their compulsion to complain instead of thinking things out, to bring some things to discussion level that aren't worth it, to cause more disharmony beyond any other effect, overrides any ability they may possess to navigate their experiences productively as the adults they purport to be. Any woman who subscribes to the mansplaining thing has revealed herself as not partner material. Heck, not even as social material, as I don't even want to know her. Who can enjoy a mind that makes bad decisions, not picking her battles well? Staying away from women's minds (er, women) has been a good engineering move.

    I think if women had natural upper body strength like a man, they would work on controlling their environment (building things, fixing things) rather than controlling other people. But, without this physical strength, they use what they have, their mental prowess, which targets other people, and their sex, which targets men. I find women to be notorious instigators.
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    I think if women had natural upper body strength like a man, they would work on controlling their environment (building things, fixing things) rather than controlling other people.
    Hi Unboxxed, respectfully, upper body strength is perhaps a small part of it. The bulk of it could come from the effects of biology and how society conditions the person from young.

    Studies have shown that baby infant girls have been found to stare/maintain eye contact with adult caregivers for significantly longer periods than baby boys, who are more attracted to stare at objects - this is early infant brain hard-wiring, which comes from biology and gets stronger as sexual hormone levels increase with developmental age. This means girls develop social skills and verbal skills far ahead of boys, and in turn, girls learn to advance, develop and rely on those social skills in order to get what they want (boys on the other hand develop superior spatial and logic skills). This is biological hard-wiring from birth.

    Various studies have also shown that from young, parents and caregivers respond differently to crying girls as opposed to crying boys. Crying girls are more often immediately comforted, while crying boys are more often ignored, left to cry-it-out or told not to cry. Hence girls are socially conditioned to the fact that their needs can be met the minute they cry as opposed to boys. This is social conditioning from birth.

    The combined result of the biological hard-wiring and social conditioning is a development mindset for girls whereby crying and/or social verbalisation will get them comfort, attention and grant them what they want.

    This mindset carries on to adulthood where women are brought up coddled and protected by society, and where all a woman has to do is speak up or cry about a problem and she will be soothed and given what she needs by society at large.

    Hence women are taught and are generally brought up without developing the mental mindset of self-reliance, logical thinking and independent problem-solving - unfortunately it is these very mindsets that leads individuals to work on mastering their external environment by building things, fixing things and thinking about how to solve problems logically. This is not to say that ALL men have that mindset either - in our gynocentric soy-boy society, a good proportion of boys grow up similarly coddled and protected.

    Nowadays technology, machinery and automation has reduced the need for men to have strong upper body strength. Some of the best male minds and thinkers today have skinny arms and little to no upper body strength and yet are well-known for their contributions to advances in science, technology, construction and engineering. It would seem that the mindset is the primary differentiating factor.

    TLDR: Biological hard-wiring and social conditioning of women's brains starts from birth and as a result women hardly ever develop the necessary mindset to build and fix things themselves. It wouldn't matter if they had the same upper body strength of men, as it is the developmental mindset that distinguishes whether one is inclined to master the environment by inventing/building/fixing things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unboxxed View Post
    The supreme lack of understanding and humanity involving in the manspreading complaint should be embarrassing to women to show of themselves. But, it's not. It's to their deficit that one even has to explain to them why men spread their legs sometimes.
    Agreed, it is sheer lunacy and points to how women have nothing else to complain about.

    Also, there's no such thing as logical consistency with women, its all about their feelings at that particular point in time.
    I put it that if a woman was seated next to a man who was deemed (in her eyes) unattractive and the man was spreading his legs ever so slightly, she'd screech and complain. Conversely, if it was an attractive man seated next to her doing the man-spreading, she would excuse him or would even welcome it as she eyed his genital area.

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    Hi johnsmith79, thank you for what you wrote. You sound informed. What I say next is in no way a challenge to any of it, but I think of stuff.

    girls learn to advance, develop and rely on those social skills in order to get what they want
    And maybe they resign themselves to this focus on social skills because they don't even have upper body strength as a factor in calculating how much to rely on it or the other. Maybe they could have learned to develop a blended approach, muscle plus social skills, to have a different outcome than what we see. Unfortunately, who can scientifically test for this possibility of a blended life strategy for women when a male's upper body strength doesn't exist for them? Or maybe this has been studied somwhere.


    Various studies have also shown that from young, parents and caregivers respond differently to crying girls as opposed to crying boys. Crying girls are more often immediately comforted, while crying boys are more often ignored, left to cry-it-out or told not to cry. Hence girls are socially conditioned to the fact that their needs can be met the minute they cry as opposed to boys. This is social conditioning from birth.

    The combined result of the biological hard-wiring and social conditioning is a development mindset for girls whereby crying and/or social verbalisation will get them comfort, attention and grant them what they want.

    This mindset carries on to adulthood where women are brought up coddled and protected by society, and where all a woman has to do is speak up or cry about a problem and she will be soothed and given what she needs by society at large.
    In light of the above, I wonder what you have to offer about this:

    My next door neighbor has two young daughters, maybe 7 to 10 years. When they play in their backyard, I don't know what they actually do over there across the fence, but they scream constantly. Not continuously, but continually. They don't scream words. They scream sounds. High pitched yelps and screams. It's maddening, I tell ya. For as long as they are playing. I have heard very young boys yelp like that but when boys get older they tend to stop while girls keep it up for years longer, I'd say. If these young girls were indoors, I doubt their parents would tolerate this amount of screaming, or any at all. We know in adult social situations that women make the high-pitch yelps for fun and excitement. Generally, loud.

    Then, this. One time, in a grocery store parking lot, I backed out of my space at the same time that a car behind me also backed out and we hit each other. Just before we made contact, a woman observer screamed. Too late in screaming to be of any use as a warning, I later thought. Also, I can't really imagine a male observer screaming like that, perhaps he'd yell words, but no horror movie scream.

    What do you know about what's going on there with the high-pitched non-verbal communication? What in early development made that okay?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    Yeah, you both have given similar answers, and I really appreciate it being reiterated because it's excellent advice. I do really need to work on taking a step back and thinking about things from another perspective.

    I can be spoken to directly without taking offense to things, yes...but I also DO have times when I'm overly sensitive to stupid crap...hence my question about not thinking out of my emotions.

    I'm also in the process of healing from abuse during my childhood, and that shit's rough, so things tend to be close to the surface.

    I've snapped at my boyfriend for shit that's coming up from my trauma, and that's so not fair to him at ALL, and I want to change it. I feel as though I'm getting better at recognizing when I'm having trauma come up and communicating that to him, so there's that.

    I don't want to be the abusive woman that I see a LOT with my family.

    A lot of the women seem to be very controlling of the men..."stop manspreading, that's disgusting"...ok, so you want them to crush their balls and then expect them to jump when you offer them sex? And if they don't have sex with you, you get offended?

    Again, rambling, but it's really nice to be able to talk about this stuff. I have so many females in my life that are jumping on the man-hating train, and it is so beyond ridiculous!
    You sound like you're doing good, hard work on yourself. Without (I hope) sounding patronizing, I want to congratulate you for that. There are really SO many people who do not introspect or take responsibility for their own emotional/psychological functioning, and they just continue to act things out emotionally and relationally their whole lives, without awareness. They are pretty much the same person at 50 that they were at 18. I'm glad there are people like you out there, who want to focus on their areas of vulnerability and get better. I'm also sorry to hear about your childhood abuse. That makes things so much harder and more anxiety-laden.

    I find it encouraging to hear perspectives like yours. I hear so many people just blaming, blaming, blaming. It's refreshing to see someone who's open to looking at "How am I contributing to the problem? Where might I need to grow and learn and develop?"

    Thanks for chiming in.


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