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    Re: What should women do?

    I think it's fair to hate on anything legitimately. Hating women isn't legit. Don't hate the player, hate the game and those who uphold it. Women need to accept that most women are arseholes to men in a way that is most likely non-physical. Systematic, institutionalised abuse through goverment exists. It existed in Nazi-Germany, and during the colonial era, mostly racial abuse. And yes sexist abuse. Men are not fucking instrincially invincible to systematic abuse and oppression, just because males dominate leadership positions, nor are any group. Evil man seeks to oppress all men (and a whole lot more) for personal gain, evil or not, but it has an easier time exploiting evil, so to paint MGTOW as evil and mysogynist is a definite tactic.

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    Re: What should women do?

    Quote Originally Posted by happybachelor View Post
    Yes, this kind of attitude makes MGTOW no better than feminists. It's pretty clear to me that MGTOW is a co-opted movement designed to engender hatred to sustain the gender war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    Here ya go, I got you some chewables;
    Wow is that your stash - that figures!
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    But why are you interested in what mgtow want? How much have you read about mgtow? It seems you havent noticed at all the issues they accuse. Cuz if you had, it would have been easy for you to figure out. In my point of view, you are acting the way you want men to act when women are upset. Which is trying to figure out why they are upset because they wont say the reason. Yes, because of the hormones and due to their experience, women are not like men. Men do say exactly why they are upset.
    If you ask me, women should stay home, cook and clean. That is the safest thing possible in this world. And it does not involve too much effort. Nor physically or intelectually. Only emotional. But i know women eat emotions at breakfast so they should be able to handle it without problems.

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    But why are you interested in what mgtow want? How much have you read about mgtow? It seems you havent noticed at all the issues they accuse. Cuz if you had, it would have been easy for you to figure out. In my point of view, you are acting the way you want men to act when women are upset. Which is trying to figure out why they are upset because they wont say the reason. Yes, because of the hormones and due to their experience, women are not like men. Men do say exactly why they are upset.
    If you ask me, women should stay home, cook and clean. That is the safest thing possible in this world. And it does not involve too much effort. Nor physically or intelectually. Only emotional. But i know women eat emotions at breakfast so they should be able to handle it without problems.

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    Re: What should women do?

    Quote Originally Posted by Curious View Post
    Hello I am a woman who just recently started reading about MGTOW so I am not sure if I've understood it all.

    I was wondering, what do you want of women? Let us say there is a woman who is understanding and agrees with you and honestly want you to tell her what she personally can do to work towards a better tomorrow, what advice would you give?

    I am not saying I am an understanding woman who agrees with you as I don't feel I have read enough to actually take a stand, mostly since a lot of what I am reading about women here seems so foreign to me, I have seen women like those described here but I suppose as a woman I do not notice them as much.

    Anyway, I'd love to be able to ask questions and will try my best not to be insensitive to your problems and views.
    Hello there.

    A woman should do what her gender has being doing since the dawn of humankind, i do not expect anything at all to be done differently and by all means she should behave in the same way.

    Change happens very slowly and my critique of the evolutionary design of women is that there will be no change, how could there be? A woman's psychology is designed through egocentricity to both exploit a man's resources and to invest more time and energy into reproduction.

    This isnt her fault it is simply natural design. Do as you do, maybe one day we can evolve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curious View Post
    Hello I am a woman who just recently started reading about MGTOW so I am not sure if I've understood it all.

    I was wondering, what do you want of women?
    Romance. But NOT the romance where I am going to be a prince and give you a lot of money and status. This is YOUR ""romance"", a fake romance actually.

    Do you understand now? Woman are completely INCAPABLE of love the man the way MAN WANTS woman to love them.

    This is MY problem, not yours. Why you do want advise? Do you want to fake some emotion or behavior? Donīt worry a lot of man will fall for their own fantasy.

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    Re: What should women do?

    Well, there's absolutely nothing they can do.

    Society has a set course and won't change till something breaks, that's how women work.
    Never gave a shit about divorce till they started getting the raw end of the stick. Did you know 1 in 4 homeless people are WOMEN, this shit always cracks me up, forget the 75% men. This is where we're at right now.

    So much information in todays day an age, squandered by PC and political pandering - interesting take would be to have a society based on say a scientific worldwide technocracy since that's where were headed anyways. Too many countries on this tiny ass fucking rock sitting in a excess trillion sized galaxy, too many people high on their own farts thinking they're special - Blue pill society in general is this way.

    In general, as a species modern day living is just so pathetic and bland these days.
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    Did you know 1 in 4 homeless people are WOMEN, this shit always cracks me up, forget the 75% men. This is where we're at right now.
    Forget the majority who suffer is very F* evil.

    Quote Originally Posted by JustWannaRetireFk View Post
    ...too many people high on their own farts thinking their special - Blue pill society in general is this way.
    One mgtow in Brazil once say "Blue pill world is the world of vanity", itīs all about status (more than money).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curious View Post
    Hello I am a woman who just recently started reading about MGTOW so I am not sure if I've understood it all.

    I was wondering, what do you want of women? Let us say there is a woman who is understanding and agrees with you and honestly want you to tell her what she personally can do to work towards a better tomorrow, what advice would you give?
    It's not my job to save the world or convert anyone to a cause. However, if we're going to save Western society (which also isn't my job, btw), the best we can hope for is to save the generation being born now. Gen X, Millennials like me and Zoomers are all probably lost causes at this point. But the generation being born now might have a chance. Maybe.

    What should women do? Raise their daughters better. Raise them to get married early, stay married, stop filing for 80% of divorces and stop having affairs. If women as a group can manage that then MAYBE the generation coming up now might have a chance.

    I should add that women should remember that their sons are BOYS. They are not defective girls and they're not subjects to be used in whatever leftwing social engineering regime is trendy this week.

    Quote Originally Posted by Curious View Post
    I am not saying I am an understanding woman who agrees with you as I don't feel I have read enough to actually take a stand, mostly since a lot of what I am reading about women here seems so foreign to me, I have seen women like those described here but I suppose as a woman I do not notice them as much.
    I promised myself years to never hold a woman to the same standard that I hold a man. So, I don't expect you to be self-reflective or to consider the possibility that you and other women are quite similar to the kinds of women who get criticized around here. Women generally don't do well with accountability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by happybachelor View Post
    MGTOW is a co-opted movement
    We're not a movement at all. MGTOW is a lifestyle choice; not a crusade that others can join.

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    Re: What should women do?

    Quote Originally Posted by Curious View Post
    I was wondering, what do you want of women? Let us say there is a woman who is understanding and agrees with you and honestly want you to tell her what she personally can do to work towards a better tomorrow, what advice would you give?
    Write to your representative to have the marriage, divorce, and child custody laws fixed. Specifically, the traditional form of marriage is:


    1. Marriage is once, for life, between a man and a woman. Divorce is permissible in cases of infidelity or abuse. Only a person's first marriage counts as a marriage. Other subsequent living/sleeping arrangements are not a marriage - they are "relationships" or something.
    2. In a marriage, all the fruit of the husband's labour belong to the wife - money, possessions, the house, the lot. Conversely, all the fruit of the wife's labour - children - belong to the husband and, in token of this, take his name.
      1. The father of the child has full authority with respect to the education and raising of the child, including discipline.
      2. A husband withholding his money from the wife counts as abuse and is potentially grounds for divorce.
      3. A wife kidnapping her husband's children is likewise grounds for divorce.

    3. Should divorce occur, the money, the house, and the kids go to the injured party. The person at fault has demonstrated by the act of precipitating a divorce that they are an unfit parent.
    4. In relationships other than marriage (by definition, first marriage), assets belong to whomever they belonged to prior to the relationship. Assets acquired during the relationship are split according to each partner's cumulative income while they are in the relationship. Any children of the union are - by legal definition - illegitimate and go to the mother.
    5. No person shall be required to financially support children that are not theirs. By definition, this means that men are not obliged to financially support illegitimate children, even their own. Every person is required to support - to feed, clothe, and house - children that are.


    There might be state welfare for the support of illegitimate children, but the father is not personally liable. Once a marriage is over, it is *over*.

    In cases such as rape, a person may be able to sue for damages or receive them as part of a criminal penalty, but that is a matter of criminal law, not family law.

    To make things even better, restrict voting to legitimate children of persons who are lifelong citizens of whichever polity they live in.

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    Re: What should women do?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wombat View Post
    Write to your representative to have the marriage, divorce, and child custody laws fixed. Specifically, the traditional form of marriage is:


    1. Marriage is once, for life, between a man and a woman. Divorce is permissible in cases of infidelity or abuse. Only a person's first marriage counts as a marriage. Other subsequent living/sleeping arrangements are not a marriage - they are "relationships" or something.
    2. In a marriage, all the fruit of the husband's labour belong to the wife - money, possessions, the house, the lot. Conversely, all the fruit of the wife's labour - children - belong to the husband and, in token of this, take his name.
      1. The father of the child has full authority with respect to the education and raising of the child, including discipline.
      2. A husband withholding his money from the wife counts as abuse and is potentially grounds for divorce.
      3. A wife kidnapping her husband's children is likewise grounds for divorce.

    3. Should divorce occur, the money, the house, and the kids go to the injured party. The person at fault has demonstrated by the act of precipitating a divorce that they are an unfit parent.
    4. In relationships other than marriage (by definition, first marriage), assets belong to whomever they belonged to prior to the relationship. Assets acquired during the relationship are split according to each partner's cumulative income while they are in the relationship. Any children of the union are - by legal definition - illegitimate and go to the mother.
    5. No person shall be required to financially support children that are not theirs. By definition, this means that men are not obliged to financially support illegitimate children, even their own. Every person is required to support - to feed, clothe, and house - children that are.


    There might be state welfare for the support of illegitimate children, but the father is not personally liable. Once a marriage is over, it is *over*.

    In cases such as rape, a person may be able to sue for damages or receive them as part of a criminal penalty, but that is a matter of criminal law, not family law.

    To make things even better, restrict voting to legitimate children of persons who are lifelong citizens of whichever polity they live in.
    That's a good point actually. If women do really want to help than they need to look at the world through the eyes of the sons, fathers, brothers and see that it is not a good world for them. It strikes me as somewhat amazing that women do not care about that at all.

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    My attitude is let everyone shine in their own way. Typically a man will shine in his intellect, wisdom and strength. Typically women will shine in assisting the smooth running of the family, home and social life.
    Note I said typically. This isn't "traditionalism' this is just we are typically better at. To think men and women have inherently changed in a generation or two is ludicrous. We were created to perform specific roles and that won't change.
    There are outliers of course. But most are like ducks out of water.
    I've no kids and no girlfriend. Yet I still perform the duties of a man, that is I share my intellect wisdom and strength with people I know, easing and improving their lives. And the women in my life ease and improve mine in another way.
    Tldr, play to your strengths and forget what "society' wants of you, follow your own will in life.

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    Re: What should women do?

    Quote Originally Posted by Curious View Post

    I was wondering, what do you want of women? Let us say there is a woman who is understanding and agrees with you and honestly want you to tell her what she personally can do to work towards a better tomorrow, what advice would you give?
    Honestly - just be reasonable. That's it.

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    Re: What should women do?

    Hello I am a woman who just recently started reading about MGTOW so I am not sure if I've understood it all.
    Could you be more specific, where did you hear about MGTOW and why do you think you need to understand it, what really sparked the interest?

    I was wondering, what do you want of women? Let us say there is a woman who is understanding and agrees with you and honestly want you to tell her what she personally can do to work towards a better tomorrow, what advice would you give?
    Since you claim to be happily married, are you asking these questions for someone else? It seems like it from where I'm sitting.

    I doubt the better tomorrow you mention is for your kids, at least not yet and assuming that's even true as you made it clear with this: "I do, I haven't thought that far ahead in time yet, still getting used to being a mother"

    Unless you had twins the first time round, one thing strikes me as strange... you claim you have more than one kid, haven't you got used being a mother yet? .

    Maybe I'm just old fashioned, but this whole story of free-cards in an "honest" setting reeks of bullshit. No man with the slightest ounce of dignity and self worth would ever agree or tolerate crap like that and run the conscious risk of being cucked. A women on the other hand would only agree to "share" a man in very extreme circumstances and nothing you've said here points to any of those circumstances. In most case modern women will only offer a man a free-card if they already have something lined up, seeking a free-card for themselves or are planning to ask for one in return in the short to medium term.

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    Re: What should women do?

    A woman should:
    1. Reject the hate/terrorist movement that is feminism.
    2. Embrace her femininity. Femininity is good. Feminism is bad. Feminism destroys femininity.
    3.If you date, always split the bill. You don't owe him sex, but he doesn't owe you his money either.
    4. If you get married, regard your wedding vows as sacred promises that you would never break, and breaking them would be like proclaiming to the world, "I'm a terrible person."
    5. Oppose the anti-male bias in our family court system. Work to change the system so that divorce no longer destroys men's lives.
    6. If a man chooses to go MGTOW, he's not rejecting you as a human being. He's rejecting the system. Respect that. It's still possible to be friends with him if you respect his right to opt out.

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    I believe the key attribute of the ideal woman is *ethics*, namely a woman who is faithful, honest, always keeps her promises and wedding vows, doesn't backstab, doesn't gossip, doesn't lose her temper, doesn't snoop, and doesn't nag constantly. In other words, it's not what a woman *does* do, it's what she *doesn't* do that makes all the difference. I could live with a woman who was stupid, poor, ugly, uneducated, and didn't know how to cook if only she were ethical, loving, willing to have sex frequently, and could control her emotions when stressed. That's all. I don't even want to have kids.

    Unfortunately, "ethical" is the one thing that women cannot be, and the cause reaches down to their very genetics: hypergamy, natural attraction to alpha males, evolutionary pressure to reproduce and therefore to submit instead of standing up for ideals, and so on. As a result, the best that women can do to overcome their natural lack of ethics is to constantly struggle against temptation (temptation to cheat, lie, steal, deceive, snoop, nag, rely on emotions instead of reason when stressed, etc.). The main current problem is basically that feminism and modern society are sending the message to women that anything is OK to do--divorce, cheating, lying, revenge, even murder or mayhem or torture--all which is overturning the morals of traditional, '50s style society. That's the foundation of the problem, I believe, but on top of that is the current pervasive ridicule, discrimination, and laws against men that have arisen from Woke society. Those latter problems are what is forcing MGTOW to exist. In other words, whenever society/government starts discriminating against a part of society, then problems and eventual backlash occur, ergo something like MGTOW comes into existence. All that anybody or any group requests is equality: men, women, specific races, specific religions, specific sexual minorities, and so on. Somehow our supposedly "tolerant" and "open-minded" society still can't grasp that basic concept, though! Unbelievable. Stress any system, human or mechanical or electrical or other, and it will automatically react to restore balance and equality. Is that so hard to understand?! MGTOW has nothing to do with misogyny, or even emotions; MGTOW is just a natural reaction to a modern intrusion into human rights and human dignity.

    The measure of a human being is ethics. In a survival situation, ethics are the only thing that will demonstrate that a human being is valuable to other human beings instead of being effectively only a self-centered animal. If women can't be ethical, then they have effectively descended to the level of an animal, and therefore won't be respected in the long term by anybody or anything, maybe not even God, if God exists.

    Anyway, thanks for asking and for seeking knowledge and truth. Biology may be against you as a woman, but the human spirit is not.

    (p. 196)
    A measure of
    intelligence is just that--a measure of intelligence. It is not a measure
    of man--or, as the title of Gould's book asserts, a mismeasure of man.
    Much more would enter into that than just intelligence. But without
    intelligence man would be little better than a brute, so let us value it for
    what it is--an important part of man, but only a part. Carlyle's profe-
    sor, dry-as-dust no doubt, had a formidable IQ but no originality or
    creativity, things we value more highly. Many members of Mensa, the
    high IQ society, have made little or no real contribution to society.
    Intelligence derives some of its importance from the fact that we can
    measure it, and in consequence know a great deal about it. Not enough,
    but research is constantly improving our knowledge, and making it
    more and more likely that we will be able to use our knowledge for the
    good of society. To pretend, as voluable writers often do, that psycholo-
    gists are only concerned with IQ, and neglect other aspects of man, is
    absurd and untrue. It takes its place among the other absurd and untrue
    criticisms I have discussed earlier. No psychologists ever put forward
    such notions, and only the ignorant would imagine that anyone ever
    did.
    As Thomas Arnold of Rugby once said, "What we must look for is,
    1st, religion and moral principles; 2ndly, gentlemanly conduct; 3rdly,
    intellectual ability," [sic] In other words, moral behaviour is more impor-
    tant; only slightly less important is the quality of being cultured, cour-
    teous, and chivalrous; intelligence only comes in third. In other words,
    what is needed is intelligence in the service of morality and decency.
    Would anyone disagree?

    Eysenck, Hans J. 1998. Intelligence: A New Look. New Brunswick, New Jersey: Transaction Publishers.

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    Re: What should women do?

    Previous post #115 released from moderation only now so am bumping thread for it to be seen.
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    It appears the OP is no longer participating in this thread. This is unfortunate. I've only just discovered it today, but I would have offered her an answer to her question...