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    Romantic feelings.

    Do you straight Mgtow ever crave romantic lovemaking with a woman? I guess what I mean is do you ever look at guys who are say at the store holding hands with a woman and crave that kind of companionship?

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    Re: Romantic feelings.

    Speaking for myself, learning the hard way, romance is a prerequisite to heart breaking misery and wasted effort for something that's not real, fake as plastic.

    I have no desire to return to such a dismal existence of chasing ghosts, so I did the next best thing, I became a ghost.

    Whatever attracts a man to a woman was destroyed by my experiences with women.

    It's like asking if I like cuddly soft furry grizzly bears, answer; yes when they're sleeping and no when they're awake, and there's no telling when they'll awaken!

    Female empowerment, privilege, and entitlement are the legal parameters that give the grizzly teeth and claws to devour men when they awaken.
    Before any awakening there's anger, resentment, and confusion.

    Afterward there's indifference, confidence, wisdom, and peace.

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    Re: Romantic feelings.

    Sure. It's only human, after all. The heart wants what it wants, but the head knows that what the heart wants: comitted contentment, domestic felicity, just isn't available to be had anymore.

    Personally, I think that hormonal contraception is at the root of many of the current ills.

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    Re: Romantic feelings.

    I may well be the guy who is getting looked at holding hands in the store with a woman. I still enjoy romance and companionship with women. That does not mean I will marry a woman. Have kids with a woman. Or live with a woman. None of that will ever happen again.

    Too many women have proven to me, that what I was told about them as I matured, was lies. I laugh at comments like oh he is bitter. Or who hurt you? or I'm an incel. Can't get laid and so forth.

    You know what is also a possibility that never gets mentioned? The reason I've chosen an unchained MGTOW lifestyle. I just got smarter is all. It's really that simple. I learned from a series of horrible experiences with women. It's what intelligent people do. They do not repeat their mistakes. I am the product of my experiences.

    Many MGTOW eliminate women completely from their lives. Some of us don't. In either case all of us are going our OWN way. That's the beauty of MGTOW. You decide your way to go. Only this time, as you decide how to live your life. You can do that based on the truth of what damage many women do to many men.
    "People are always angry at anyone who chooses very individual standards for his life; because of the extraordinary treatment which that man grants to himself, they feel degraded, like ordinary beings."
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    Re: Romantic feelings.

    Maybe 10% of the couples I've known truly love each other. Trouble is, there's ten divorces behind those ten surviving marriages. 1 way to win and 19 ways to lose? No thanks.

    I wish things were different, but they're not. At any rate I'm such a crusty old bachelor You'd probably see me on the five o'clock news if I did try my luck. I do not want to end up on the five o'clock news.
    Every day I make the world a little bit worse.

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    Re: Romantic feelings.

    Yes, of course, but then I remember that unicorns don't exist and then snap out of it.

    We've gotten to a point in society where before only virgins were acceptable, to where now it's "as long as she only has a single digit body count".

    She was fucking and sucking dudes before me, but now, NOW, we have true love? Give me a break.

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    I date casually, so I do get some of that experience like holding hands and cuddling.

    But I avoid getting into long term relationships, cohabitation and, of course, marriage.

    I don't think I am missing out on anything. I get most of the benefits of a relationship without most of its risks.

    Works for me, and for a lot of MGTOWs here.

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    Re: Romantic feelings.

    Nah, I have a Lelo aka mechanical flesh light. I also have VR porn. If I need my home cleaned, I hire a maid.

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    Re: Romantic feelings.

    No, Iíve had that many times. Have other interests now.

    Other peopleís activities donít matter too much unless it affects me. I donít get jealous of other menís property or relationships.

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    Re: Romantic feelings.

    Quote Originally Posted by DangZagnut View Post
    No, I’ve had that many times. Have other interests now.

    Other people’s activities don’t matter too much unless it affects me. I don’t get jealous of other men’s property or relationships.
    That's a perfect description of contentment! Anything our lives are void of doesn't mean it's empty!

    Life is a vessel, it's always full when you look at it's volume and not it's content.

    Jealousy is one of the 7 deadly's! It's the core and foundation of feminism, has ben, always will be!

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    Re: Romantic feelings.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    Do you straight Mgtow ever crave romantic lovemaking with a woman? I guess what I mean is do you ever look at guys who are say at the store holding hands with a woman and crave that kind of companionship?
    Are there non-straight MGTOW?

    I'm not saying one couldn't be gay, but if you're gay, are you really massively affected by gynocentrism and marriage quite the same way? Gay people were already GTOW.

    MGTOW is pretty much a straight male lifestyle.

    A far as the romantic stuff, no. Why? I don't get jealous of other men's women or cars or yachts or whatever. I don't feel something has been taken from me.

    Also, not being an emotional cripple, I don't rely on others to make me "feel things".

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    Re: Romantic feelings.

    Quote Originally Posted by DangZagnut View Post
    Are there non-straight MGTOW?

    I'm not saying one couldn't be gay, but if you're gay, are you really massively affected by gynocentrism and marriage quite the same way? Gay people were already GTOW.
    Member SeventhHeaven is one. Haven't seen him posting, wonder if he's still around?

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    Re: Romantic feelings.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    Do you straight Mgtow ever crave romantic lovemaking with a woman? I guess what I mean is do you ever look at guys who are say at the store holding hands with a woman and crave that kind of companionship?
    For me, I equate myself to a mouse that survived a few mousetraps. I know what a mousetrap is now, and I see "the bait" for what it really is.
    Beware The Flames Of Passion; Lest A Tiny Spark Become An Inferno.

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    Re: Romantic feelings.

    I have always been cynical about women and relationships. Cynical about the bulls hit games and womenís true intentions.

    So even before I was full Red pill I was cautious. Once the rose coloured glasses came off for good I found it harder and harder to find anything attractive about women to bother.

    I used the word attractive. That doesnít mean I donít notice good looking women anymore. It means I donít see anything more than that, their nature, behaviour, their vanity etc just wakes me up and I donít bother pursuing them.

    Short answer: no I donít envy other guys who have a girlfriend or wife.

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    Re: Romantic feelings.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kryptic View Post
    I have always been cynical about women and relationships. Cynical about the bulls hit games and women’s true intentions.

    So even before I was full Red pill I was cautious. Once the rose coloured glasses came off for good I found it harder and harder to find anything attractive about women to bother.

    I used the word attractive. That doesn’t mean I don’t notice good looking women anymore. It means I don’t see anything more than that, their nature, behaviour, their vanity etc just wakes me up and I don’t bother pursuing them.

    Short answer: no I don’t envy other guys who have a girlfriend or wife.
    To be honest, sadly and profoundly, I pity them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    Do you straight Mgtow ever crave romantic lovemaking with a woman? I guess what I mean is do you ever look at guys who are say at the store holding hands with a woman and crave that kind of companionship?
    You used the word "crave" twice, so my answer has to be no, I do not "crave" that, nor do I feel anything remotely resembling a "craving" for it.

    Do I occasionally think fondly of women and appreciate the joys of the "limerence" phase of a relationship -- all the dopamine and oxytocin, swimming around in that neurochemical soup? Sure. It's wired into us, to feel drawn to that. Our species' survival depends on it.

    But I've got a lot of understanding now of what romance requires and depends on. That drains a lot of the magic out of it. It's hard to indulge the fantasy, when you've been red pilled.

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    Re: Romantic feelings.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Haskell View Post
    You used the word "crave" twice, so my answer has to be no, I do not "crave" that, nor do I feel anything remotely resembling a "craving" for it.

    Do I occasionally think fondly of women and appreciate the joys of the "limerence" phase of a relationship -- all the dopamine and oxytocin, swimming around in that neurochemical soup? Sure. It's wired into us, to feel drawn to that. Our species' survival depends on it.

    But I've got a lot of understanding now of what romance requires and depends on. That drains a lot of the magic out of it. It's hard to indulge the fantasy, when you've been red pilled.
    No matter how I look at it I just can't see it being any other way than the man indulging the woman in her whims and feeding her ego in various ways. We have spoken about the Sugar Baby thing and as much as I wanted for MYSELF the idea of a silly type pseudo romance I kept wondering if I would just be building a monster that would go on to wreak havoc in some way later on.

    It is hard to believe in romance again once the rose coloured glasses are off.

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    Re: Romantic feelings.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    Do you straight Mgtow ever crave romantic lovemaking with a woman? I guess what I mean is do you ever look at guys who are say at the store holding hands with a woman and crave that kind of companionship?
    Yes sometimes, but its passing. Most importantly, the logic says no. Its like anything else I crave or miss but know I shouldn't chase. I used to be a semi-pro athlete but I've got a congenital condition so now my body's a mess. Do I miss the things my body could do before this? Sure, but I know that chasing it now would only fu*k up my body even more whilst making a laughable attempt. So I put my energy into other things that can be productive.

    Same with the romance stuff, I want it sometimes, but the cost-benefit analysis says no.

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    Re: Romantic feelings.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    Do you straight Mgtow ever crave romantic lovemaking with a woman? I guess what I mean is do you ever look at guys who are say at the store holding hands with a woman and crave that kind of companionship?

    On romantic feelings, we projected a best part of ourselves (let’s say absolute love) on woman.


    This is a FUNDAMENTAL ERROR.


    Once hit this, there is no chance of craving on it anymore.

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    Re: Romantic feelings.

    The thought crosses my mind but then reality kicks in. Why would I settle for conditional love? Which means you will do what I say and be perfect or I will leave you. Did she put restraints on Chad or the 50 guys before me? Nope. I refuse to deal with any bullshit. My life is simple but peaceful.
    Stay away from women. They will only break your heart.


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