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    UK Court: Pregnant boozing ‘not a crime’: Mother cleared of causing brain damage

    UK Court: Pregnant boozing ‘not a crime’: Mother cleared of causing brain damage
    The three judges found the mother not guilty of a criminal offence.

    In their ruling they said “the central reason is that we have held that a mother who is pregnant, and who drinks to excess despite knowledge of the potential harmful consequence to the child of doing so, is not guilty of a criminal offence under our law if her child is subsequently born damaged as a result.”


    Makes sense. It's immoral, but it's logical based on the current state of the rights of unborn persons. Women have a practically absolute right to kill an unborn child. And, in the common law, the greater power includes the lesser power. So why can she not harm her unborn child if she so desires?

    But don't let some man do it to her unborn child... he'll get charged with a serious crime.
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    Re: UK Court: Pregnant boozing ‘not a crime’: Mother cleared of causing brain damage

    Making pregnant drinking a crime makes a person's body the property of the state, which is something that all libertarians abhor.

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    Re: UK Court: Pregnant boozing ‘not a crime’: Mother cleared of causing brain damage

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wombat View Post
    Making pregnant drinking a crime makes a person's body the property of the state, which is something that all libertarians abhor.
    Standard libertarian arguments can't be applied to pregnancy since it involves a third party.
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    Re: UK Court: Pregnant boozing ‘not a crime’: Mother cleared of causing brain damage

    Not surprised. The UK is falling faster than the PC poison USA.





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    Re: UK Court: Pregnant boozing ‘not a crime’: Mother cleared of causing brain damage

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wombat View Post
    Making pregnant drinking a crime makes a person's body the property of the state, which is something that all libertarians abhor.
    Not condoning this but, what happens to the kicker of a pregnant woman's belly? Charges are amplified!

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    Re: UK Court: Pregnant boozing ‘not a crime’: Mother cleared of causing brain damage

    Stop oppressing her you white privileged shitlord, what part of "my body, my rules" don't you understand?
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    Re: UK Court: Pregnant boozing ‘not a crime’: Mother cleared of causing brain damage

    Absolutely disgusting.

    I have a problem with government telling what you can do with your own body but this is a
    completely different case. When these so called "mothers" endanger the lives of their own
    children by drinking during pregnancy, they should be properly punished.
    They are proven to be unfit parents and should have no contact with their children.
    They deserve to be jailed for potentially ruining the life for their children.

    Pregnant drinking is not a freedom, it should be illegal. It's not about your
    body, your choice. It's about a life of a whole new human being who depends on
    the mother.
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    Re: UK Court: Pregnant boozing ‘not a crime’: Mother cleared of causing brain damage

    One more case in the long, long list of tragedies proving that women are utterly incapable of doing what is right without a man telling them first.

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    Re: UK Court: Pregnant boozing ‘not a crime’: Mother cleared of causing brain damage

    If we're talking about libertarian philosophy, except in the case of pregnancy resulting from actual rape, women who engage in sexual intercourse know, or should reasonably be aware, that it can result in pregnancy.

    They also know, or should be aware that birth control is not 100% effective.

    By having sex, they assume the responsibility of unintended pregnancy. Her body, her choice. BUT, in the libertarian philosophy, 1.) you get to suffer the consequences of your actions; and 2.) you don't have the right to harm another person.
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    Re: UK Court: Pregnant boozing ‘not a crime’: Mother cleared of causing brain damage

    Interesting...

    Meanwhile, in Tennessee...
    First Woman Charged on Controversial Law that Criminalizes Drug Use During Pregnancy - ABC News


    The coverage of this I've read includes a lot of hand-wringing about how this affects a woman's rights.

    There is no concern for the unborn child. The Tennessee woman took a drug that, while not specifically the target of the law, is harmful to the unborn child. All of the hand-wringing though is how this poor innocent mother was charged under the new law.

    Here's my position:

    A man who harms an unborn baby when he harms a pregnant woman will be charged with a second battery. It cannot follow in a jurisprudence that claims to be reasonably that the woman carrying the child cannot similarly be charged if, while deliberately harming her own body, she also harms the child.

    Either everyone should be charged when they harm an unborn child, or no one should be charged. It cannot be one and not the other and still claim to be fair.
    Last edited by William Noy; January 12, 2015 at 12:24 AM.
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