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    MGTOW and PUA news: Guy’s Guide to Talking to Women Wearing Headphones Sparks Major Anger

    by Lindsey Ellefson | 3:56 pm, August 30th, 2016

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    A website called The Modern Man has riled up the Internet over the past few days, so let’s go over a little context, okay?

    After Elliot Rodger‘s shooting rampage through Isla Vista in 2014, the concept of a “pick-up artist” was introduced to the general public and that public was shocked to learn that there are men who swap tips on picking up women because they feel so entitled to them. In 2005 there was a breakthrough book and in 2007 a show, but the negative connotation came later, after all the forums popped up and George Sodini went on his own killing spree in 2009.

    There is considerable debate over what constitutes a real PUA. Rodger posted on a forum about how awful PUA tactics are; Sodini has been disavowed by PUAs because “[a]ttending a pickup workshop and sitting in the audience… for a few hours does not make one a pickup artist.” Without getting into the nitty-gritty of all of it, there are a lot of these groups and while there is obviously overlap, it can be hard for the uninitiated to tell the difference between people who subscribe to “red pill” ideology, people who believe in progressing men’s rights, pick-up artists, and “men going their own way” or MGTOW. All of these schools of thought tend to share a view that women are manipulative, overrated, and only good for sex. A person who doesn’t explicitly identify as a PUA or a follower of the associated “artistry” can still espouse the beliefs.

    Having said all of that, it seems pretty clear that The Modern Man is a PUA brand. Pick-up artistry, of course, is all about the tricks that men can use to get women to sleep with them. “Negging” women with little insults is a pretty common one. “Peacocking” by wearing extravagant clothing is another. The Modern Man sells an audioguide that promises to give anyone willing to spend $97 their very own set of 21 tips to get a girlfriend.

    They also have a blog and it’s free to access! That’s where the problems start. Yesterday, one of their posts from 2013 picked up some traction:

    The piece lists “giving up too easily” as one of the main problems men make when approaching a woman wearing headphones and suggests standing about 1.5 meters away from the woman in question while giving her a “confident, easy-going smile.” It suggests that a man “wave [his] hand in her direct line of vision so she can’t ignore [him],” too.

    Dan Bacon, the guy behind the whole production, updates the blog all the time with posts that have titles like, “The Most Important Skill That a Guy Needs to Have to Be Successful With Women,” and “How to Make a Woman Feel Intense Attraction For You.” The stock images tend to show women fawning over men. The headphones article is not at all out-of-the-ordinary on Bacon’s page. Oh, and he’s really, really into talking about ways to win back an ex. See?

    Although Bacon’s posts have been readily available for a while, the headphones thing has really taken off and launched a conversation about what this “artistry” is really about.

    Some people are making jokes about how ridiculous it is to assume that a woman should talk even when she is clearly doing something else. They’re tweeting things like, “How To Talk To A Woman Who Died 5 Years Ago But You’re Still Totally Sure She’s Sending You Vibes,” and “How To Talk To A Pregnant Woman In A Stock Photo Holding Headphones To Her Belly.”

    The jokes are funny, but they’re making solid points about unjustified entitlement and the ways women are made to feel uncomfortable and unsafe as they go about their daily lives.

    Anything that sparks a dialogue about consent and street harassment can’t be that bad, even if it is a three-year-old article by a man who is obsessed with getting his ex back. The examination of the types of articles that are widely shared on the kinds of forums that later turn out to be associated with involuntarily celibate men who kill women should be encouraged.

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    Re: MGTOW and PUA news: Guy’s Guide to Talking to Women Wearing Headphones Sparks Major Anger

    So, women continue to be shocked, shocked, shocked that the world isn't run expressly to their liking.

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    Re: MGTOW and PUA news: Guy’s Guide to Talking to Women Wearing Headphones Sparks Major Anger

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wombat View Post
    So, women continue to be shocked, shocked, shocked that the world isn't run expressly to their liking.
    Nothing new in the west. In other news: rice bag fallen over, situation unclear.

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    Re: MGTOW and PUA news: Guy’s Guide to Talking to Women Wearing Headphones Sparks Major Anger

    I just love how hollow it is. They have to make it an extreme parody to make it a "bad" thing, then try to discount him as bitter because he only wants an ex back.
    Women don't notice 95% of men so yes this behavior is kind of necessary a good portion of the time.
    Do they not realise that we see right through this horse shit?
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    Re: MGTOW and PUA news: Guy’s Guide to Talking to Women Wearing Headphones Sparks Major Anger

    there are men who swap tips on picking up women because they feel so entitled to them
    All this talk of "entitlement" is fucking ridiculous. I assume the author is using the word to describe confident men who assume they'll eventually be having sex with the women they talk to. Really it's blatantly obvious that women can't get enough of male entitlement, assuming those entitled males aren't mere peasants of average attractiveness.

    Second, PUAs act the way they do because it tends to get results. All things being equal, it's more efficient to act cocky when you're trying to get something from women. You can't have it both ways, fall for the tricks of PUAs then complain about it later as if you had no agency, but red pill men know better. Cat's outta the bagel bitch.

    Third, women are running their own game and have been since the beginning of time, it just can't be mentioned in public. Men aren't stupid, we're figuring out that women have an agenda. And they fully expect to dupe men with some fake smiles and the promise of sex until the end of time, which is where men have the advantage.


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