Thread: Introducing myself, TomMak

Hi guys,

I'm Tom. I was never very successful at dating, and married my first and only g/f at age 24. Our son was born a year later, but before he was even 2 years old she'd left me for a man she'd been having sex with while I was out working. I know that's a very stereotypical MGTOW story but 100% true, I swear! I had never been unfaithful, never neglected or mistreated her, but still had to suffer the further indignity of having her divorce me for MY "unreasonable behavior" - I couldn't afford and wasn't emotionally strong enough to defend her divorce petition or to commence proceedings of my own. Needless to say, she got custody of our boy and full possession of the family home.

I've seen so many friends endure similar treatment from their women. Meanwhile, as men in the workplace, we have to endure constant ridicule and belittling of our efforts and achievements by the females appointed to senior positions in our corporations and public institutions -something that would not have happened when I started my career in the 1980s. Searching online just recently for info about men's rights and strategies for opposing the tyranny of feminism led me to discover MGTOW philosophy, and I've been voraciously consuming all the MGTOW content I can find. I guess this finally enabled me to join the dots and see that what is being promoted in the guise of "gender equality" has poisoned our society and is damaging our kids, boys especially.

Well, I'm now 54 and happy pursuing my various hobbies and interests. I never had another relationship with a woman. I share my house -celibately- with another guy that I've known for many years and needed a place to stay, so that provides me with companionship. My Christian faith -was Jesus the ultimate MGTOW?!- is also a major part of my life.

Looking forward to getting to know you all .

Welcome TomMak. Yeah same old same old with women. The man gets blamed for HER infidelity, truly a fucked up state of affairs. Welcome to the forums.

Im sure hell is mostly filled with lawyers, corrupt judges and cops, and women. Satan and his demons are gonna have a eternal anal party with these people I mentioned.

Originally Posted by TomMak

Well, I've rambled on a bit and whilst there is more to say about the break-up and its aftermath I think I'll resume this later. Thanks for reading thus far.

TM, you set a great example of one of the purposes of an Intro which is to help others (both members and lurkers) recognize in their situation anything that you have shared about yours. This takes detail and candor and you have provided both.

Thank you, and welcome.

Damn man, that shit hurts, I read everything, and as far as I’m concerned, you didn’t do anything wrong, in reality, she’s just a shitty wife and a shitty mother, don’t blame yourself for all the wrongs she did, and don’t take the blame for her infidelity either, it’s not your fault, even though the world and her and her shitty friends and shitty family would like to make you believe that,(I’m just assuming they are if they are involved), that is far from the truth. She will die in her infidelity and godless ways, she will live and suffer a long miserabe lonely death, while the grace of God shines upon you. Amen.

TomMak, realize one thing, women are liberated from us and our logic, they're free to follow their emotional harts desire, they stop maturing at age 15, they're intellectually inferior as their reigns over society have proven without a doubt. Their nature is toxic to society and origination, we see what liberation has freed them to do, they are collectively dismantling every facet of family and civilization as we speak, their delusions of equality have given us every social ill we see today. Societies without the farce of feminism and female interpreted equality are growing to consume the societies driven by feminism, gynoocentrism, and equality. It's only a matter of time before the west falls into obscurity and feminism is laid to rest in the ashes of history.

You sir, are just another victim of feminism and equality, I chose to abandon that hellish plantation of endless suffering back in the prime of my life and highest sexual marketability (my 30's) I made the discussion based in all the promiscuity around me and the animistic behavior that had consumed the harts and minds of the people. I saw the old and ancient culture of family, god, and country, fade in the toxic smoke of women's liberation and later feminism/gynocentrism. Now women are reprobates in everything they say, think, or do, totally toxic to men's happiness and societies security, all the social ills we have today were cause and effect from women's liberation and the ongoing sickness called feminism.

All I can say is I've been much more stable, happy, and secure in my own personal one man march away from it all! You're welcome to join me in the only avenue that leads us away from this embedded sickness that has by all accounts destroyed this society and cohesion of men to women. I'll never go back unless every vestige of feminism and gynocentrism is eradicated and destroyed. I know my enemy and I know her well!

Originally Posted by TomMak

I distinctly remember being told by my father that somewhere out there was this perfect woman that God had chosen for me and that I would meet her when the time was right.

LOL! That old lie! My god, it's right up there with "Wombat, you will make some woman a great husband one day!" which translates to "Dude, you are un-fuckable."

I recall listening to a recoding from a SubGenius X-Day. The church of the SubGenius is kooky, countercultural, weird, a parody religion. Think burning man. Think nude people in glitter. There was this panel of three chicks who addressed this very question and trotted out exactly the same old bullshit: "somewhere, there's a yeti mate just for you!" Holy shit: exactly the same line you hear in christianity. Where's that special someone now? What's she doing right this moment? She's fucking an alpha, that's what.

Welcome to the forum, anyway.

Why I choose celibacy. I decided to add a few lines on this topic, since I haven't as yet found much about it elsewhere in the forums.

After a handful of casual sexual encounters following my divorce I became functionally celibate around a decade ago and made a conscious decision to permanently renounce both sexual intercourse and masturbation 6 months ago. At one level these decisions were the result of a cold cost-benefit analysis: the satisfaction I obtained from the experiences was in inverse proportion to the time, effort and money required to procure or bring them about. A factor in this, undoubtedly, was that my Catholic/blue pill upbringing had compromised my ability to enjoy sexual stimulation and release outside the context of that mythical “perfect marriage” that was promised to me as child. Post-red pill, however, I just couldn't shake the feeling that any sexual interaction with a woman -even in the form of an image on a computer screen or in my head- meant that I was still at some level a victim of the gynocentric shit-show that was daily becoming more apparent to me. My own biology was a weapon that women could still use against me, and I determined for my own protection and peace of mind to deprive them of it.

In the end it hasn't been as difficult as I imagined. I didn't need to sign up for a no-fap program or lock my junk in one of those "chastity" devices that women are now buying to control their victims' peckers. (Don't believe me? Just check out KeptForHer.com!) Stop scratching the itch and it will eventually stop itching. At any rate, that has been my experience. I'm not trying to turn on or convert anybody to celibacy, or to suggest that there are no other options for MGTOW, but what I have so far gained in terms of time, energy mental clarity and self-respect/personal autonomy has definitely made it worthwhile for me.

Originally Posted by TomMak

Why I choose celibacy. I decided to add a few lines on this topic, since I haven't as yet found much about it elsewhere in the forums. After a handful of casual sexual encounters following my divorce I became functionally celibate around a decade ago and made a conscious decision to permanently renounce both sexual intercourse and masturbation 6 months ago. At one level these decisions were the result of a cold cost-benefit analysis: the satisfaction I obtained from the experiences was in inverse proportion to the time, effort and money required to procure or bring them about. A factor in this, undoubtedly, was that my Catholic/blue pill upbringing had compromised my ability to enjoy sexual stimulation and release outside the context of that mythical “perfect marriage” that was promised to me as child. Post-red pill, however, I just couldn't shake the feeling that any sexual interaction with a woman -even in the form of an image on a computer screen- meant that I was still at some level a victim of the gynocentric shit-show that was daily becoming more apparent to me. My own biology was a weapon that women could still use against me, and I determined for my own protection and peace of mind to deprive them of it.

In the end it hasn't been as difficult as I imagined. I didn't need to sign up for a no-fap program or lock my junk in one of those "chastity" devices that women are now buying to control their victims' peckers. (Don't believe me? Just check out KeptForHer.com!) Stop scratching the itch and it will eventually stop itching. At any rate, that has been my experience. I'm not trying to turn on or convert anybody to celibacy, or to suggest that there are no other options for MGTOW, but what I have so far gained in terms of time, energy mental clarity and self-respect/personal autonomy has definitely made it worthwhile for me.

BRAVO! There's no shame in depriving women of their manipulative power to gain mastery over a man! I walked away from women, relationshits and sex in 1997. There's no gain, only loss in any investment made in them. Now with the MSM vilifying men and exhaling women it's expected their behavior and mindset to be narcissistic to the end degree! There's no cure for what feminism and the women's liberation movements have done to destroy this society by dismantling man from our rightful role and position in a wholesome and productive society and culture, the only cure is to abandon them to their own ends.
No anger, no animosity, no jealousy, no revenge, just an unwavering indifference both society and modern women have both instilled in me. There's no fixing anything, there's only living day by day in sovereignty, solidarity, with deep felt security and inner peace.

Originally Posted by mgtower

There's no cure for what feminism and the women's liberation movements have done to destroy this society by dismantling man from our rightful role and position in a wholesome and productive society and culture, the only cure is to abandon them to their own ends. No anger, no animosity, no jealousy, no revenge, just an unwavering indifference both society and modern women have both instilled in me. There's no fixing anything, there's only living day by day in sovereignty, solidarity, with deep felt security and inner peace.

This has to be the best definition/explanation of MGTOW I've seen to date. I'll keep these words with me. Inspirational.

Originally Posted by TomMak

… thanks, Mr Wombat, for the“tough love”. Even now that's an uncomfortable image for me to have in my head, but you're not wrong in what you say and it's also for that reason a welcome booster shot against any lingering blue-pill feelings.

Moving forwards, that's one of the main things that you'll need to get over and absolutely accept Tom.

I've had those thoughts. I'm sure that we all have - to some degree.

Hopefully you will get to a point where that kind of thought won't concern you in the slightest. It's her life, let her get on with it. You can't control what she does...only what you do.

So concentrate solely on what you need and where you want to be - the rest of it is just there to mess with your head. Don't allow it to.

Welcome Tom. The perfect woman? Yeah, I was married to her for about thirteen years. Any idea how many ex's she has now? Oh, never mind. You haven't met her yet, that's right. Welcome to the forums. Maybe you guys can help me write my next book...Retirement in the 21st Century. You're only ten years behind me, Tom, but you're way ahead of the crowd. Guys, this is how to go MGTOW.

Hey man , it seems that we joined almost the same time approximately. I've been burned by good girls as well in my lifetime sadly and I have never countered any exception to this rule. I guess I'm lucky enough to have been born at this age and be able to connect with other men and learn from their experiences. For a 54 yo guy and a pic I saw you are an attractive man(I hope this cheers you up) and certainly you would've many options with women where I live(they go crazy for blond guys). You seem like a good and educated guy , unfortunately the last two generations this is the type of man women manipulate while enjoying screwing scum. Let me explain.

I largely believe we are shaped by our environments parents and peers until we reach a certain age in which our personality "locks". What happens today is that girls have seen their mother kick out their father and spend time with every loser on the planet, so they think that’s what a successful man is all about. An unsuccessful man was their father who wanted to stay but was forced away and probably victimized financially by mom (ie he’s powerless, a loser, a failure). And yet people wonder why thugs/losers have an appeal to women.
If it was the straight A student that was popular with girls, things would be different. Instead, it’s the failing drug addict smoking pot behind the gym while cutting classes.

This is all a product of our culture and feminism leading to this senario IMO. You will notice as years go by a high status man loses his value for women.There is nothing we can do anymore besides use women for sex(they have nothing else to offer) , leave the game or suffer. And good men will suffer, since women choose and reproduce scumbags. Scumbags are everywhere and good hearted men are unable to do justice anymore.

The thing is today women behave in predictable ways. In stereotyping behaviors. Like a crazy person would. What I mean is all women exhibit exactly the same pattern of behavior as the rest of them. That guy your wife left you for? He's gonna share the same fate as you when the next guy is targeted by your wife. If she were immortal she would go on doing this forever. Detach your ego and remember that it's not your fault . Nor the other guy is better. The woman is just whacko. And you should feel sorry for her, she cannot control her actions, she cannot control anything even if she wanted to.

Stay loyal to your faith, those principles in my opinion form a good and stable nice life . Remember that people who engage in deviant behavior are gonna suffer in the long term(sad but true) , don't hate them. Deviant choices offer good short term benefits but there is always a reaction to everything in this universe, that reaction is suffering long term. And while good men might suffer in the short run, there is always bliss in the end of the tunnel. Stay strong and welcome.