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    Hello,


    My name is Lucas, Im an guy in hisearly twenty´s and I have been reading and getting info from thisforum for a while and I really think I need some different point ofview about women,relationships and life in general, because sometimesI feel hopeless and lost about my future in that topics and I trulybelieve that an out the box thinking could really help me.Especiallyby the fact that no one is gonna tell me the things you speak in thisforum due to anyone or almost anyone is willing to talk about topicsthat aren´t in the same way as modern western society and feminismsay it has to be.In addition, I would like to contribute to the forumwhen I feel that Im prepared to make a good post which could improvethe forum.


    In short, and in order to not bore theone who is willing to read my message, here is my intro:


    I have been all my life a nerd and shywith women (although I had no problems in my relationships with men,I had a lot of friends and I wasnt an outcast in my childhood) and myrelationships with them have been mostly unpleasant.


    In my childhood until my adolescence asI said my relationships with women were zero,It was pretty normalsince I was heavily overweigth and I spent most of my time playingvideogames and reading.When I grew up a bit, I decided to loseweight what was a great boost to my self-steem and make me easier totalk with girls and start relationships (as friends) with them.




    My first relatioship with a woman was aclassmate, I started to hang out with their group of friends (Allgirls).She was very cute and she looks like an innocent girl whonever could hurt or make bad things to anybody.I was really attractedby her so I continued hanging out with her friends and her althoughtheir plans were boring as fuck like shopping or shit like that (dontblame me I was 15 years old).


    The days passed and I started to noticethat she had some " weird" attitudes:


    -She didnt want physical relationshipwith me so not kissing,touching or that kind of things.I wasfriendzoned but despite of that fact, she was jealousy andcontrolling about me and my relationship with the other members inthe group (all girls as I had said).


    -She was very self-centered, selfishand she was in fact the leader in her group, so she controlled herfriends and she stablished all the things the group have to do likewhere we had to meet, when what we were going to do, etc.When someonedisagreed about that, she became angry and try the others to turnagainst the one who disagreed.


    -She used to criticize all the membersin the group behind their back, I supposed that me too but I dontknow.


    One day I decided that I was going totry something with her like touching her or try to kiss if I saw herreceptive due to I was done with her attitudes and I didnt reallycare about her friendship anymore.I tried she simply wasnt receptiveand I decided not to wasting my time with her so I stopped talkingwith her, sending messages, etc.


    She became mad with me and starting tosend me like 100 messages asking me If I was angry or something, Ijust ignore her and I continued with my life (one of the decissions Iam more proud of by the way)


    Time passed and I was 17 and virgin (myphysical condition had improved a lot although I was just a bit inbetter shape than a regular guy and I was too skinny) and that was areally worrying matter for me, I had a group of friends who were likeseven or eigth years older than me and I played videogames with themalmost every day since I was 16,one day came up in the group the ideaof making a barbacue and meet all of us because some of us had notmet in real life.


    In that meeting were the guys I used toplay with and other people, all were older than me.I noticed a girl,she was very short and skinny like (1,55 cm and 45 kg), I didnt knowher but she was a friend of a friend and by I had heard she had acarousel chick reputation.


    She saw me and approach me right awayand make a friend in common introduced her to me.She was very open,like a lot, she was talking to me without stopping, touching me,rubbing her ass against me and that kind of things Im not gonna gointo detail because you know what I mean.
    I was stunned because It seemed like Iwas the woman and she was the man trying to pick up with me, in thatmoment, I didnt think about it because I was just horny as fuck.


    I think what made me so attractive toher is the age difference, I was 17 and she was 25 and how Idiscovered months after, she loved to use her body in order tomanipulate low self-steem guys and I think that she saw in me oneperfect match for that (Minor, virgin and in a physically goodshape).


    We spent a lot of time together in thatmeeting, she were talking the whole day about her boring stuff and Iwas just listening and agreeing to whatever shit she said ( I wasstupid and horny) and finally she invited me to her place and wefucked, It wasnt great nor horrible, just boring as fuck, I dont wantto go into detail but she was a dead fish in bed ( very disapointingknowing her reputation ).I had 0 experience so It was just awkward.Icarried on with my life and I didnt send a message or something toher (I didnt know about it but it made her a bit angry because herego).




    A few months later, We met another timein a party and we mess with each other but without sex.She showed mesome attitudes that I didnt like and make me leave the place and lefther there with another guy.


    The attitudes were:


    -She started to critize her friends andmy friends behind their backs although She had said like hours agothat they were great people.(That was made by her the first time wehad sex but I was too busy, nervous and happy about I wasnt virginanymore that I didnt give a shit about her attitude)


    -She started to use her body in orderto be the attention center in the party for the guys, like touchingguys (not explicitly sexually like their shoulder, elbow etc butobviosly like a signal or something).In that point, I discovered thatshe loved to use her body to manipulate that guys but she was justmaking the guys crazy in order to show her power over them, she didntgo further than that, she was a cock teaser, she made this with poorguys like super nerdy, low self-steem and uglies and she fucked withthe ones she liked ( like me I suppose).


    -The fact that made me want to leavewas she started to cock teasing with one of my best friend in frontof mine ( he had a girlfriend and this girl knew her and she had said she was a great girl and that she really apreciates her) , He waspretty drunk but despite of that, he just ignored her and tell her tokeep distance between them because he was just feelinguncomfortable.She kept insisting and even proposed make a threesomewith me and my friend.That was just too much to me and I decided toleave( I wasnt angry about the fact she was a whore I knew about thatand I didnt really care because I didnt want anything but sex.But thematter was that she was willing to fucking my best friend in front ofmine and in addition she wanted to do it with a man who had agirlfriend who were a great girl according to her after that, I didntmake a show I just left)


    -Finally, she was boring as hell (thathave happened to me with all the women I had physical relationship)


    We met one last time like six monthslater in another party and she was angry with me for leaving her thelast time (It was too much for her ego that someone didnt want sexwith her at any prize, even humilliation).


    She was angry and I noticed due she waswith her friend group looking and talking about me and just insultingme.(I didnt know this for sure but it was pretty obvious from myhumble opinion).


    The years passed and we never met againbut one day she messaged me and tell me that she was veryuncomfortable about the fact I told the people we had fucked.I didntdo such a thing but she was accusing me and hinting that I wasbragging about that all the day with my friends and our friends incommon or something like that.All the people knew that we had fuckedbecause she was all the day rubbing against me and her reputationmade the rest, besides we left together the first meeting so you dontneed to be a very smart one to catch that.


    I was in a hard moment in my life whenthe message came, so I decided to say that I had not done such thingbut I was sorry if something I have done was generating auncomfortable situation to her.(It was one of the worst choose I havedone I was such a pussy I let her humillate me and I just said sorryin order to make she dissapeared from my life)


    But She didnt dissapeared at least notthat easy, she ensured to threat me saying that she were going totell every with have done anything and It was just an invention ofmine to feed my ego.(I said sorry another time like the first timebecause I was such a pussy who has not what takes to be a man and sayto that whore to go to hell and let me live in peace.A point for me,I was in a hard moment and under a lot of pressure and I didnt needmore problems).Although all of me sorrys, She ended telling this toher best friend (Who is a gossip girl and even as slutty as her) so Isuposse that is what everybody believes now,I dont really care thoughbecause I am not with that group friends anymore.


    After that and in the time that passedfrom the first time I fucked this girld and the current days, I hadbeen with another few girls, These were pretty boring experienceslike have to endure her stupid and boring stuff until she decidesthat Im am good enough to fuck her then boring sex or maybe a bitbetter and end of the story (because I dont speak with that girlswhen I finished with them, I just prefer to move on).


    AWARENESS:


    My vision of women were pretty much theone my government, western society and feminism wanted. I Though inmen and women like equals,now I strongly believe that men and womencould not be more different and I think that the women have apersonality that is very dangerous to men, I dont hate them but Ibelieve that they are dangerous, inestable and in the end a burden.


    -One of the first red pill was that Irealized for first time how godamn liars and manipulative could thewomen be.I appreciate this when I started my first relationship withthe girl who was so selfish and self-centered how I had said she wasall the time manipulating and lying to control her friends and Iconfirm my beliefs with the second girl,no needed to explain.


    -The second one was the fact that girlswere so boring for me, except their bodies though, It was a helllistening to a girl in order to have sex with her in the end of theday.(Maybe this one was my issue and I am just not doing the thingswell and this point is the one I am less worried about, I think isjust I am finding the dumbest ones)




    -The third one was, how he used herbodies to get whatever they want making the men theirs slaves untilthey lose their beauty and their SMV drops making them desesperatedin order to find a man who could provide them all their life now thatthey cant continue riding the cock carousel (or at least no with theguys they want to).


    -The last was that I started to bescared? By the fact that the girl who gave my virginity to was ableto threated me with a lie saying that she were going to telleverybody I was a liar .But the next time the lie could not be "Wehad not sex is all a lie he made up" and could be "I didntwant to, he raped me", Obviously I am not dumb enough to returnwith this woman but I have doubts that other women were not capableof doing this to me or another men.


    I knew about this movement for a YTvideo who talks about the forum and the movement and It made me wantto know more about so I googled the forum, I entered and started to read that is thestory.




    To end my intro, I would like to talk abit about me:


    I am a young normal guy who is incollege, I am a good student not the best but a good one.I loveworking out and lifting really that is a thing I could not imagineliving without it, reading and playing chess.


    During the last weeks Im trying toimprove myself reading a bit more and spending less time in stupidsocial networks like Instagram, tiktok ,etc.In fact, I had unistallthem.


    Im trying also not to watching pornbecause I think is a waste of time I could spend in studying andworking in my future


    To finish, I decided that I want tolearn from the information this forum could give to me and become andmore aware and wise man who has been able to learn from the sucessesand mistakes of other men.




    I am sorry if this message was tooboring or long but I really need it to explain my situation andapologies for my bad english, as you can read, I am not a nativespeaker.

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    Hello,


    My name is Lucas, Im an guy in hisearly twenty´s and I have been reading and getting info from thisforum for a while and I really think I need some different point ofview about women,relationships and life in general, because sometimesI feel hopeless and lost about my future in that topics and I trulybelieve that an out the box thinking could really help me.Especiallyby the fact that no one is gonna tell me the things you speak in thisforum due to anyone or almost anyone is willing to talk about topicsthat aren´t in the same way as modern western society and feminismsay it has to be.In addition, I would like to contribute to the forumwhen I feel that Im prepared to make a good post which could improvethe forum.


    In short, and in order to not bore theone who is willing to read my message, here is my intro:


    I have been all my life a nerd and shywith women (although I had no problems in my relationships with men,I had a lot of friends and I wasnt an outcast in my childhood) and myrelationships with them have been mostly unpleasant.


    In my childhood until my adolescence asI said my relationships with women were zero,It was pretty normalsince I was heavily overweigth and I spent most of my time playingvideogames and reading.When I grew up a bit, I decided to loseweight what was a great boost to my self-steem and make me easier totalk with girls and start relationships (as friends) with them.




    My first relatioship with a woman was aclassmate, I started to hang out with their group of friends (Allgirls).She was very cute and she looks like an innocent girl whonever could hurt or make bad things to anybody.I was really attractedby her so I continued hanging out with her friends and her althoughtheir plans were boring as fuck like shopping or shit like that (dontblame me I was 15 years old).


    The days passed and I started to noticethat she had some " weird" attitudes:


    -She didnt want physical relationshipwith me so not kissing,touching or that kind of things.I wasfriendzoned but despite of that fact, she was jealousy andcontrolling about me and my relationship with the other members inthe group (all girls as I had said).


    -She was very self-centered, selfishand she was in fact the leader in her group, so she controlled herfriends and she stablished all the things the group have to do likewhere we had to meet, when what we were going to do, etc.When someonedisagreed about that, she became angry and try the others to turnagainst the one who disagreed.


    -She used to criticize all the membersin the group behind their back, I supposed that me too but I dontknow.


    One day I decided that I was going totry something with her like touching her or try to kiss if I saw herreceptive due to I was done with her attitudes and I didnt reallycare about her friendship anymore.I tried she simply wasnt receptiveand I decided not to wasting my time with her so I stopped talkingwith her, sending messages, etc.


    She became mad with me and starting tosend me like 100 messages asking me If I was angry or something, Ijust ignore her and I continued with my life (one of the decissions Iam more proud of by the way)


    Time passed and I was 17 and virgin (myphysical condition had improved a lot although I was just a bit inbetter shape than a regular guy and I was too skinny) and that was areally worrying matter for me, I had a group of friends who were likeseven or eigth years older than me and I played videogames with themalmost every day since I was 16,one day came up in the group the ideaof making a barbacue and meet all of us because some of us had notmet in real life.


    In that meeting were the guys I used toplay with and other people, all were older than me.I noticed a girl,she was very short and skinny like (1,55 cm and 45 kg), I didnt knowher but she was a friend of a friend and by I had heard she had acarousel chick reputation.


    She saw me and approach me right awayand make a friend in common introduced her to me.She was very open,like a lot, she was talking to me without stopping, touching me,rubbing her ass against me and that kind of things Im not gonna gointo detail because you know what I mean.
    I was stunned because It seemed like Iwas the woman and she was the man trying to pick up with me, in thatmoment, I didnt think about it because I was just horny as fuck.


    I think what made me so attractive toher is the age difference, I was 17 and she was 25 and how Idiscovered months after, she loved to use her body in order tomanipulate low self-steem guys and I think that she saw in me oneperfect match for that (Minor, virgin and in a physically goodshape).


    We spent a lot of time together in thatmeeting, she were talking the whole day about her boring stuff and Iwas just listening and agreeing to whatever shit she said ( I wasstupid and horny) and finally she invited me to her place and wefucked, It wasnt great nor horrible, just boring as fuck, I dont wantto go into detail but she was a dead fish in bed ( very disapointingknowing her reputation ).I had 0 experience so It was just awkward.Icarried on with my life and I didnt send a message or something toher (I didnt know about it but it made her a bit angry because herego).




    A few months later, We met another timein a party and we mess with each other but without sex.She showed mesome attitudes that I didnt like and make me leave the place and lefther there with another guy.


    The attitudes were:


    -She started to critize her friends andmy friends behind their backs although She had said like hours agothat they were great people.(That was made by her the first time wehad sex but I was too busy, nervous and happy about I wasnt virginanymore that I didnt give a shit about her attitude)


    -She started to use her body in orderto be the attention center in the party for the guys, like touchingguys (not explicitly sexually like their shoulder, elbow etc butobviosly like a signal or something).In that point, I discovered thatshe loved to use her body to manipulate that guys but she was justmaking the guys crazy in order to show her power over them, she didntgo further than that, she was a cock teaser, she made this with poorguys like super nerdy, low self-steem and uglies and she fucked withthe ones she liked ( like me I suppose).


    -The fact that made me want to leavewas she started to cock teasing with one of my best friend in frontof mine ( he had a girlfriend and this girl knew her and she had said she was a great girl and that she really apreciates her) , He waspretty drunk but despite of that, he just ignored her and tell her tokeep distance between them because he was just feelinguncomfortable.She kept insisting and even proposed make a threesomewith me and my friend.That was just too much to me and I decided toleave( I wasnt angry about the fact she was a whore I knew about thatand I didnt really care because I didnt want anything but sex.But thematter was that she was willing to fucking my best friend in front ofmine and in addition she wanted to do it with a man who had agirlfriend who were a great girl according to her after that, I didntmake a show I just left)


    -Finally, she was boring as hell (thathave happened to me with all the women I had physical relationship)


    We met one last time like six monthslater in another party and she was angry with me for leaving her thelast time (It was too much for her ego that someone didnt want sexwith her at any prize, even humilliation).


    She was angry and I noticed due she waswith her friend group looking and talking about me and just insultingme.(I didnt know this for sure but it was pretty obvious from myhumble opinion).


    The years passed and we never met againbut one day she messaged me and tell me that she was veryuncomfortable about the fact I told the people we had fucked.I didntdo such a thing but she was accusing me and hinting that I wasbragging about that all the day with my friends and our friends incommon or something like that.All the people knew that we had fuckedbecause she was all the day rubbing against me and her reputationmade the rest, besides we left together the first meeting so you dontneed to be a very smart one to catch that.


    I was in a hard moment in my life whenthe message came, so I decided to say that I had not done such thingbut I was sorry if something I have done was generating auncomfortable situation to her.(It was one of the worst choose I havedone I was such a pussy I let her humillate me and I just said sorryin order to make she dissapeared from my life)


    But She didnt dissapeared at least notthat easy, she ensured to threat me saying that she were going totell every with have done anything and It was just an invention ofmine to feed my ego.(I said sorry another time like the first timebecause I was such a pussy who has not what takes to be a man and sayto that whore to go to hell and let me live in peace.A point for me,I was in a hard moment and under a lot of pressure and I didnt needmore problems).Although all of me sorrys, She ended telling this toher best friend (Who is a gossip girl and even as slutty as her) so Isuposse that is what everybody believes now,I dont really care thoughbecause I am not with that group friends anymore.


    After that and in the time that passedfrom the first time I fucked this girld and the current days, I hadbeen with another few girls, These were pretty boring experienceslike have to endure her stupid and boring stuff until she decidesthat Im am good enough to fuck her then boring sex or maybe a bitbetter and end of the story (because I dont speak with that girlswhen I finished with them, I just prefer to move on).


    AWARENESS:


    My vision of women were pretty much theone my government, western society and feminism wanted. I Though inmen and women like equals,now I strongly believe that men and womencould not be more different and I think that the women have apersonality that is very dangerous to men, I dont hate them but Ibelieve that they are dangerous, inestable and in the end a burden.


    -One of the first red pill was that Irealized for first time how godamn liars and manipulative could thewomen be.I appreciate this when I started my first relationship withthe girl who was so selfish and self-centered how I had said she wasall the time manipulating and lying to control her friends and Iconfirm my beliefs with the second girl,no needed to explain.


    -The second one was the fact that girlswere so boring for me, except their bodies though, It was a helllistening to a girl in order to have sex with her in the end of theday.(Maybe this one was my issue and I am just not doing the thingswell and this point is the one I am less worried about, I think isjust I am finding the dumbest ones)




    -The third one was, how he used herbodies to get whatever they want making the men theirs slaves untilthey lose their beauty and their SMV drops making them desesperatedin order to find a man who could provide them all their life now thatthey cant continue riding the cock carousel (or at least no with theguys they want to).


    -The last was that I started to bescared? By the fact that the girl who gave my virginity to was ableto threated me with a lie saying that she were going to telleverybody I was a liar .But the next time the lie could not be "Wehad not sex is all a lie he made up" and could be "I didntwant to, he raped me", Obviously I am not dumb enough to returnwith this woman but I have doubts that other women were not capableof doing this to me or another men.


    I knew about this movement for a YTvideo who talks about the forum and the movement and It made me wantto know more about so I googled the forum, I entered and started to read that is thestory.




    To end my intro, I would like to talk abit about me:


    I am a young normal guy who is incollege, I am a good student not the best but a good one.I loveworking out and lifting really that is a thing I could not imagineliving without it, reading and playing chess.


    During the last weeks Im trying toimprove myself reading a bit more and spending less time in stupidsocial networks like Instagram, tiktok ,etc.In fact, I had unistallthem.


    Im trying also not to watching pornbecause I think is a waste of time I could spend in studying andworking in my future


    To finish, I decided that I want tolearn from the information this forum could give to me and become andmore aware and wise man who has been able to learn from the sucessesand mistakes of other men.




    I am sorry if this message was tooboring or long but I really need it to explain my situation andapologies for my bad english, as you can read, I am not a nativespeaker.

    Hi Lucas_,

    You Intro is not boring at all. In fact, it is the kind of Intro I like to read because you took the time to provide the detailed information we request in our How To Intro sticky.

    I think isjust I am finding the dumbest ones
    It's not just you. They are everywhere. And they are boring, like you also said.


    Im trying also not to watching pornbecause I think is a waste of time I could spend in studying andworking in my future
    Smart man. Working on your future (without the anchor of a draining relationship) is always the wise priority.


    no one is gonna tell me the things you speak in thisforum
    Indeed. We are glad you found us.


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    Welcome Lucus,
    nice intro.
    It sounds like you are starting to figure out female nature. If I may add my own thoughts - which I accept that others may disagree with - you are correct to learn from those of us who have had our fingers burnt but don't let our experiences prevent you from creating your own. But you most definitely need to be cautious.

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    Hi, Lucas. Welcome to the forum. I agree with you, that this is a place where you'll hear things you won't hear in the mainstream press or in conversations with most people. I'm glad you found your way here. I know the early 20s are a hard time for men -- very confusing, low SMV while women are at their peak so a lot of frustration/rejection, etc. As I'm sure you've heard, the tables will turn by the time you're 30 (assuming you work on career, health, mindset, and interpersonal skills), so hang in there.

    On the other hand, when you get to 30 and the tables turn, that also means you'll be more of a target -- vulnerable to a woman who is wanting to lock you down. MGTOW and red pill knowledge can help a lot with that. "Forewarned is forearmed," as they say. I wish I'd been forewarned when I was in my 20s and 30s. It would have saved me a lot of energy, time, and heartache. Although some of the red pill stuff can be a little grim at times, it's a useful corrective to the idealized nonsense society feeds you about relationships.

    Here's one other bit of unsolicited advice for you. As you strive towards a better life, base your goals on internal motives, on "intrinsic motivation" -- things that reflect your core values, things that really matters to YOU -- as opposed to basing them on external stuff and extrinsic motivations like approval, status, money for the sake of money, fame, and so forth. Striving for the former leads to happiness, self-esteem, and contentment; striving for the latter leads to restlessness, discontent, and unhappiness.

    Anyhow, welcome.

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    Welcome to the forum Lucas. A very nice intro. Keep your head straight and work on your future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Haskell View Post
    Here's one other bit of unsolicited advice for you. As you strive towards a better life, base your goals on internal motives, on "intrinsic motivation" -- things that reflect your core values, things that really matters to YOU -- as opposed to basing them on external stuff and extrinsic motivations like approval, status, money for the sake of money, fame, and so forth. Striving for the former leads to happiness, self-esteem, and contentment; striving for the latter leads to restlessness, discontent, and unhappiness.
    This here is very good advice Lucas. Read this carefully and take it to heart.


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