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    The elevator pitch

    My attempt at explaining MGTOW in an "elevator pitch" - two minutes hitting everything relevant.

    First - relationships with today's women, under today's conditions, are not worth it. Relationships have always taken up huge amounts of time and money, but now they cost more: legal liability, alimony and CS (how many guys do you now who have been through the wringer?); and deliver less: women can't keep house, can't raise a family, are self-centred and entitled. Sure, today's women make a living, but so what? So do I. Sure they're "strong and independent" - how is that a benefit to a long term relationship? Today's women doesn't know how to wife and wouldn't do it even if she did. The only thing, the sole, singular, only thing todays man needs, wants, or can realistically get from todays woman is sex. Buying the cow is a worse deal now than it ever was.

    Second - once you get realistic and opt out of relationships, or at least marriage, suddenly you need so much less money and have so much more time. You don't need a house. You don't need a pusy-magnet car. You don't need holidays at resorts. And with that need done away with, all of the things that you needed in your life to get more money become redundant. You don't need a suit. You don't need to spend hours a day commuting to two jobs. You don't need to socialise with people you despise.

    There's domino effect once you give up on the now-unattainable dream of marrying up a good woman and living in a loving, lifelong family household. It's not that these things aren't great, it's that they are not in the offing anymore.

    Let's be realistic. The sensible thing is to admit "defeat", and Go Your Own Way.
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    Re: The elevator pitch

    Good stuff - I like the domino effect you described in the second paragraph. I hadn't thought of that...

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    Re: The elevator pitch

    This is some damn fine stuff, MrWombat!
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    The elevator pitch - "The Bad Credit Ride"

    This is such a good "nutshell" explanation of the trouble with marriage that I copied it here - BeijaFlor

    I was talking to one of the guys at work today about modern day marriage, and I gave him an analogy.

    I asked him if he liked the new camaros and he said "yeah, but I like the challengers better."
    Fair enough, says I. I then posed a multi part question:

    What if you went to the dealer and saw a bad ass challenger with a hemi, trick paint, deluxe interior, kickin stereo and mag wheels. Would you want a test ride? "hell yeah", he responded.
    Ok now you go for a ride and then find out your credit won't get you that ride.

    Now the dealer shows you a lesser model, still nice but just a regular V8, standard color, factory wheels. Pretty nice ride though, would you want a test ride? "Sure" says he.
    Ok now you go for a ride and then find out your credit won't get you that ride.

    Again the dealer looks around and there's a base model challenger, V6, no mags, plain color, cheap radio, rubber mats. Good dependable car, but not your first or even second choice. The dealer says he can put you in that car today, would you be satisfied with it? "probably not", he says.

    That's the problem with marriage, I say.
    he looks at me, "huh?"

    These women nowadays have been test driving every hemi they can get their ass up against, and they will always wish they had a hemi challenger, even if there's a good dependable ride in the garage, I summarized. Even if she chooses you, you will always only be her last choice, the bad credit ride.

    Think about it, I said.

    I hope he does.
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    Re: The elevator pitch

    Relationships have always taken up huge amounts of time and money, but now they cost more: legal liability, alimony and CS (how many guys do you now who have been through the wringer?)

    Think about this seriously as you try to establish contact with a modern woman.

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    Re: The elevator pitch

    Funny how the list of "things I don't need" I now have in abundance! Except the 2nd home on 30 acres of land, I sold that!

    Things I truly don't want or need are women, marriage, and the resulting court orders, and arresting officers!

    Marriage to me is like watching men put their hands on a stump to be smashed with a 20 lb sledgehammer! To that I say, have a go! I'm all set! Who needs hands anyway?
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    Re: The elevator pitch

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    Funny how the list of "things I don't need" I now have in abundance! Except the 2nd home on 30 acres of land, I sold that!
    Way to resurrect a 6-year-old post! Six years. Amazing.

    I have a house now. It's small, it's semidetached. No HOA, no "body corporate". I am fucking living the dream. I should do a post on it.

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    Re: The elevator pitch

    I was at the supermarket recently. There was an elderly couple at the self service checkout. The woman was all a fluster, telling her husband how to pack the bags, he is doing it all wrong!!!! He is getting nervous, he knows what he wants to do, how to do it, but she is nagging him and he is humiliated yet trying to keep his cool and dignity. If the roles were reversed it would be domestic abuse.

    I thought about the couple. This bloke has most likely worked his whole life, paid for the house she gets to live, paid to raise the kids. Now she is treating him like a two year old, micro managing a simple act.

    Why would anyone in their right mind want to aspire to this situation? There wouldn't be any sex and even if she offered I doubt he would still feel that way about her, being talked down tends to be the ultimate cold shower. If she cooks it's probably things he doesn't want and in any case he'd probably prefer to just order a pizza or make a sandwich. If she cleans, he wouldn't care. There is nothing in the marriage for him.

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    Re: The elevator pitch

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkHorse View Post
    If the roles were reversed it would be domestic abuse.

    I thought about the couple. This bloke has most likely worked his whole life, paid for the house she gets to live, paid to raise the kids. Now she is treating him like a two year old, micro managing a simple act.

    Why would anyone in their right mind want to aspire to this situation? There wouldn't be any sex and even if she offered I doubt he would still feel that way about her, being talked down tends to be the ultimate cold shower. If she cooks it's probably things he doesn't want and in any case he'd probably prefer to just order a pizza or make a sandwich. If she cleans, he wouldn't care. There is nothing in the marriage for him.
    Indeed, its amazing just how awful a deal marriage is for men nowadays. Its not just bad, its laughably so. The only reason men get married is utter delusion as to what marriage is.

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    In true ar*ehole fashion I'll reply to my own post with another post. To expand on my first post, I think marriage has been a creepingly worse deal, and maybe that's part of why men are so fu**ing oblivious to how bad it is*. I think its gone something like this (below is illustrative only, not based on a deep analysis of marriage suck-iness by time):


    1. 1970s: Get married. You'll have to support your wife and can only have sex with her, but you can have sex whenever you want and she'll stay hot for a good 20 years or so. Plus she'll cook and clean for you.
    2. 1980s: Get married. You still need to do all the stuff men have always done but your wife will still have sex with you sometimes and probably won't divorce you. Don't expect her to do too much house work though, remember you have to pull your weight too.
    3. 1990s: Get married. Sure your wife may divorce you but that's still what like 1 in 5 or something? Most people are happy. Also you should like sharing the house work, that's what modern men do.
    4. 2000s: Get married. Sure divorce rate is high but that's only because men are so horrible and now women can escape! Be a good man and you'll be fine.
    5. 2010s: Get married. What does it matter that only women in their 30s and 40s want to get married? Real men are not scared of a woman's experiences! Her history is hers. Also just because she did everything the alphas wanted her to in her 20s doesn't mean you should expect anything more than begrudging once a month missionary. Get married and you'll be a mature, real man.
    6. 2020s: Get married. Sure your wife will instantly gain 100 pounds, dye her hair green and get her nose pierced, but that's a hot new look! Also why should she have to do the chores? What are you, a misogynist? Just because she's your wife doesn't mean you should expect sex from her you rapist! Of course she should be able to explore her feelings for other men, sexually if she chooses, she's not your property! Real men aren't afraid of divorce. She'll only divorce you if you hurt her in some way. What's your problem with alimony? What are you one of those men that tries to get out of paying?! Get married you baby-carrot sexist shitlord.


    Its one hell of a sales pitch.


    *I feel conflicted on this. On the one hand I think back to less than a decade ago when I was thinking of getting married and so feel empathy for men's delusion. On the other hand I think "Its so obvious, how can you not see what a terrible deal this is?!"

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    Re: The elevator pitch

    @suspiciouscrow

    I think I summed up your post with my most resent signature drafted just minutes ago.

    Thought you'd enjoy a little affirmation;

    "As men, we all got the shitty end of the stick, the only difference? MGTOW will not lick it, we stick it back where it came from."
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    A place and time (where and when) the road to modern man's perdition ends abruptly and permanently.

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    Re: The elevator pitch

    2 out of 3 relationship/marriage breakups are initiated by the female.

    If she don't leave you she could cheat on you, if you forgive her you give off the subconscious signal you are optionless and make things far worse in the long run.

    If she don't cheat she could cut off the sex, read dead bedrooms on reddit to see how common this is.

    If she don't cut off the sex, she doesn't give you the quality of sex she gave to previous men. Read saving the best by Rational male.

    If she still gives sex she could make your life hell with never ending demands.

    If she don't make demands she could get fat and ugly.

    If you have options with other women and she cuts off the sex / gets bitchy / gets fat etc you will probably cheat on her and are likely to get caught. Then she can blame you !!!!

    If you don't cheat on her you will probably be bored of each other like your great grandparents did in the pre 1950s era


    If you survive all this you are in the few percent of marriages / LTRs in the modern era that have "worked." But are you willing to gamble your life/wealth/sanity for something that has such low odds of a payoff.


    Lifelong marriage "worked" in the distant past when life was all about survival, there was no tinder, cock carousel and people dropped dead not long after the children had grown up.




    Men are becoming MGTOW by the millions, most without ever having heard the term. They are simply doing what all living organisms finding themselves in a toxic environment do. They adapt to it or remove themselves from it. Females are not liking either the adaptations or the removal.

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