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    You Are Hunted: ‘Sales funnels’ and high-value men: the rise of strategic dating

    "Rebekah Campbell remembers the moment she knew things had to change. “I got to age 34 and woke up one Christmas morning on a fold-out bed in the garage of some friends of my parents and was like, ‘I don’t want to live the rest of my life like this,’” she says. “I could see that I was potentially going to miss out on having a family unless I did something drastic.”

    Campbell was single and had not been on a date since the death of her boyfriend a decade prior. In those 10 years, she focused her energy on building a successful business career, including founding the order-ahead app Hey You. So she resolved to begin dating the same way she launched brands: by sketching out a plan that resembled the “sales funnel” she used in her work.

    “I thought about it the same way for dating: at the top of the funnel I needed to have as many candidates as possible,” she says . . .

    138 Dates is one woman’s personal dating strategy, but Campbell is not alone in applying a set of rules to her love life. On Reddit, a community of 179,000 mostly heterosexual women discuss their courtship tactics in the subreddit r/FemaleDatingStrategy. The board began in 2019, but the Female Dating Strategy universe expanded this year to include a website and podcast.

    Female Dating Strategy (FDS) offers a range of (often brutal, expletive-laden) advice to single women, designed to “[optimise] the female dating experience”. Among the six-point FDS mantras are “ruthlessly evaluate men”, “make him invest before sex” and “don’t split the bill”.

    Its list of no-nos includes asking a man out (FDS believes women should not make the first move) and drink dates (they’re “low effort”; going out for a meal is preferred). FDS advocates dating multiple men simultaneously, cutting suitors off at the first red flag and, as Campbell did, conducting pre-date interviews over the phone. The goal is to filter out anyone who is not, in FDS parlance, a “high-value man”." (Aka 2 legged wallet $imp)
    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeands...rategic-dating
    Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZqtfsfalEA
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    Re: You Are Hunted: ‘Sales funnels’ and high-value men: the rise of strategic dating

    If you look at this subreddit, it is cruel towards men in a way that if genders were reversed, it would be stigmatized and banned. When I read through it, it amounted to "Men a'int shit" and "Make them beg".

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    Re: You Are Hunted: ‘Sales funnels’ and high-value men: the rise of strategic dating

    Its list of no-nos includes asking a man out (FDS believes women should not make the first move) and drink dates (they’re “low effort”; going out for a meal is preferred). FDS advocates dating multiple men simultaneously, cutting suitors off at the first red flag and, as Campbell did, conducting pre-date interviews over the phone. The goal is to filter out anyone who is not, in FDS parlance, a “high-value man”." (Aka 2 legged wallet $$$)
    Hundred years ago most women in their prime did this (except date multiple men), now they only do this far too late, triple digit notch count and deadbeats kids in tow.

    I don't suppose Female Dating Strategy explains that "high value men" are a tiny percentage and they have an unbelievable amount of competition.
    Men are becoming MGTOW by the millions, most without ever having heard the term. They are simply doing what all living organisms finding themselves in a toxic environment do. They adapt to it or remove themselves from it. Females are not liking either the adaptations or the removal.

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    Re: You Are Hunted: ‘Sales funnels’ and high-value men: the rise of strategic dating

    I saw an article years ago that analyzed wealth in the world population - women watch these tv shows that show all these people living the lives of the rich and famous and they believe they deserve the same rich guy and lifestyle. In reality, half the world's population has wealth worth less that $2000.
    If you have more than $2000 of goods, such as a car with equity, a cell phone and a laptop with a few hundred dollars, you are in the top 50 percent.
    Guys in the USA who own their own house worth $30k are in the top 20 percent.
    Guys who own a paid off house in California - probably top 10 percent.
    Pareto's law - 20 percent own 80 percent of the wealth - this is who the women are hunting. But after a success hunt and killing of their prey and skinning him in divorce court with the help of hunting guides aka divorce attorneys, little is left of the high value man's wealth - he has been stripped to the bone and left to eat Kennel Rations or whatever. Saw a video yesterday on Youtube about "Nevada Attorney attacks Judge" - the woman divorce court judge joined in the kill and was negotiating for the woman divorcee to strip away anything this dude had left. Unbelievable lack of "blind justice" even a lawyer remarked (or attacked) that the Judge seemed to be representing and negotiating for the ex-wife, not her own atty who was fed up with his exwife client. It was like a piranha or shark scene where this salesman was left with all the bills and no assets with equity and the judge was insisting on future alimony for 7 years because between his and his ex's atty fees, this guy was left upside down on a house he just bought with a mortgage before his wife hit him with divorce papers and $4k per month child support. Dude is going to living on Kennel Rations for a while, IMO. These sharks stripped him to the bone. If you want to watch a real life horror movie, imagine yourself as this dude where everyone around you in court is fighting for the last bite from your empty bank account plus if you do get any money in the future, they can come back and take it for the next 7 years for alimony and who knows how long for the $4k per month child support. You are a slave who works for everyone's benefit but himself.

    Quote Originally Posted by stanmsl View Post
    Hundred years ago most women in their prime did this (except date multiple men), now they only do this far too late, triple digit notch count and deadbeats kids in tow.

    I don't suppose Female Dating Strategy explains that "high value men" are a tiny percentage and they have an unbelievable amount of competition.
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    Re: You Are Hunted: ‘Sales funnels’ and high-value men: the rise of strategic dating

    It is a good thing in the long run that women as a whole are being aggressive with their sexual strategy because the internet never forgets... A much more sustainable system was the traditional "loving" wife that leeched resources in a passive way by virtue of finding a man and forming a family + children (safety net).

    There are differences in the sexes and then there is outright predation of man, to be viewed as a thing that only produces value is to be thought of as something inhuman. The worlds men will eventually come to see this and there is nothing that could stop it.

    Be happy to see this stuff as it means the system is changing.

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    Re: You Are Hunted: ‘Sales funnels’ and high-value men: the rise of strategic dating

    Quote Originally Posted by jagrmeister View Post
    If you look at this subreddit, it is cruel towards men in a way that if genders were reversed, it would be stigmatized and banned.
    Is stigmatized and banned. They are just imitating PUA.

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    Re: You Are Hunted: ‘Sales funnels’ and high-value men: the rise of strategic dating

    Quote Originally Posted by jagrmeister View Post
    If you look at this subreddit, it is cruel towards men in a way that if genders were reversed, it would be stigmatized and banned. When I read through it, it amounted to "Men a'int shit" and "Make them beg".
    I agree. FDS is an absolute cesspit full of low-value women. Let's be honest, genuinely high-value women (if you can find any) don't need to bother with this type of misandry. FDS appeals to women who are average at best and encourages them to believe they are queens. No wonder that sub is full of bitterness and hate.
    I honestly feel sorry for these women. If they were to let go of all their negativity, it is likely they would be able to find a man who would be compatible with them. However, as long as they believe they deserve the kind of man that wouldn't have a bar of them, they are destined to be alone and miserable. That seems like such a sad way to live.

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    Re: You Are Hunted: ‘Sales funnels’ and high-value men: the rise of strategic dating

    Quote Originally Posted by jagrmeister View Post
    If you look at this subreddit, it is cruel towards men in a way that if genders were reversed, it would be stigmatized and banned. When I read through it, it amounted to "Men a'int shit" and "Make them beg".
    Back when MGTOW was still on Reddit, I used to read FDS from time to time. You're 100 percent correct. That sub is full of pure vitriol and venom. It's bizarre that Reddit would ban MGTOW, which tells men to just leave women alone, and not FDS, which is all about dehumanizing and using men. They refer to men as "scrotes". It's even an imbedded choice for labeling their posts.

    I even saw a thread there where they complained about Brad Pitt and labeled him a "low value male" for dating a 27 year-old woman. He's Brad Fucking Pitt, one of the most desired men in the world, and they're calling him "low value." His crime is dating someone younger, someone 27 years old who is well above the age of consent.

    The truth is, these are undesired women who are trying every trick they can dream up to manipulate elite men into wanting them. It won't work. Some millionaire movie star dude isn't going to want a 34-year-old flabby woman with 4 kids. There isn't any trick or strategy that will make that happen. Women like that would be better off accepting that they had their best dating chances in their 20s, and now their options are much more limited. They could date in less than ideal situations or they could choose not to, and instead just focus on other areas in their lives. That's the reality, not that you could ever tell them.

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    Re: You Are Hunted: ‘Sales funnels’ and high-value men: the rise of strategic dating

    Quote Originally Posted by TigPlaze View Post
    complained about Brad Pitt and labeled him a "low value male"
    Use the Universal Hamster Translator! If you translate "low value man" as alphafux, and "high value man" as betabux, then what the women are saying at FDS will make sense. FDS: group therapy for loose women who are coming to terms with settling for beta or going solo.

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    Re: You Are Hunted: ‘Sales funnels’ and high-value men: the rise of strategic dating

    Campbell was single and had not been on a date since the death of her boyfriend a decade prior
    There must be something seriously wrong with her looks if she's not lying about this.

    Back when MGTOW was still on Reddit, I used to read FDS from time to time. You're 100 percent correct. That sub is full of pure vitriol and venom. It's bizarre that Reddit would ban MGTOW, which tells men to just leave women alone, and not FDS, which is all about dehumanizing and using men. They refer to men as "scrotes". It's even an imbedded choice for labeling their posts.
    Personally I'm glad it exists, it's a shame it's no longer given male views through the banned subreddits as now men aren't likely to find FDS and get another free redpill on the real nature of women and not the pedestalled nature of women projected by society.

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    Re: You Are Hunted: ‘Sales funnels’ and high-value men: the rise of strategic dating

    Quote Originally Posted by stanmsl View Post
    I don't suppose Female Dating Strategy explains that "high value men" are a tiny percentage and they have an unbelievable amount of competition.
    Exactly - they fail to realise any high value male who isn't a complete idiot isn't going to put with this shit. Won't sleep with me on the first date? Cool, there's other girls who will so I'll focus on them, bye. You want to go on some weird, ultra-formal dinner date that I have to pay for? Nah, I'll go out with one of the normal girls who'll be happy with a coffee. It's about getting to know each other, not the food. Hell, that was me in university - and I was far from a 'high value' male back then so imagine what's it's like for the 1%.

    Goes some way to explain why the subreddit FDS overlaps with the most is r/dating over 40.

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    Re: You Are Hunted: ‘Sales funnels’ and high-value men: the rise of strategic dating

    Men in our arena often speculate that for women, HVM are 100% of the dating pool, because women literally don't see non HVM men as existing. They are invisible to them from a dating perspective.

    It makes sense too. If you are a billionaire and you like supercars, you would never think of owning a normal car for any reason other than its utility value; just like men are to women.

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    Re: You Are Hunted: ‘Sales funnels’ and high-value men: the rise of strategic dating

    Quote Originally Posted by CPRA View Post
    " ...
    138 Dates is one woman’s personal dating strategy, but Campbell is not alone in applying a set of rules to her love life. On Reddit, a community of 179,000 mostly heterosexual women discuss their courtship tactics in the subreddit r/FemaleDatingStrategy. The board began in 2019, but the Female Dating Strategy universe expanded this year to include a website and podcast.

    Female Dating Strategy (FDS) offers a range of (often brutal, expletive-laden) advice to single women, designed to “[optimise] the female dating experience”. Among the six-point FDS mantras are “ruthlessly evaluate men”, “make him invest before sex” and “don’t split the bill”.

    Its list of no-nos includes asking a man out (FDS believes women should not make the first move) and drink dates (they’re “low effort”; going out for a meal is preferred). FDS advocates dating multiple men simultaneously, cutting suitors off at the first red flag and, as Campbell did, conducting pre-date interviews over the phone. The goal is to filter out anyone who is not, in FDS parlance, a “high-value man”." (Aka 2 legged wallet $imp)
    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeands...rategic-dating
    Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZqtfsfalEA
    The irony of this is, if you are a man or woman who's "time is running out" (supposedly), then you would need to be more inclusive, cast a wider net, and probably reduce the level of your "requirements."

    Yet this FDS thing seems to be all about raising those requirements, rejecting many suitors for frivolous reasons.

    That is: the approach doesn't match the stated goal. But, I know, I know, women and logic......

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    Re: You Are Hunted: ‘Sales funnels’ and high-value men: the rise of strategic dating

    It will obviously never appear anywhere in that subreddit, but decades ago, when I was still a young man and still aspiring to find the one right person to have a wife and family someday, I stumbled on to this piece of advice regarding the search for that right person: "It is all well and good to be willing to put some effort into finding the right person. But don't forget to also put some effort into being the right person...".

    I thought that was good advice. It made mathematical sense to me. I followed it. I became/remained educated, healthy, fit, stable, sober, accomplished... I eliminated or avoided bad habits and behaviors that might be a red flag to the right person. I put a lot of effort into just being WORTHY of the right person I was imagining myself finding someday. I became worthy, but I never found that other person putting similar effort into being the right person. And, I never settled for the wrong person (at least not for long).

    Watching women on their strategies for finding the right person, I have never once seen a woman pass on this advice to another woman. I haven't really ever seen a woman who seems to be following this advice. I have seen an enormous number of women who seem to believe that looking a certain way, and dressing a certain way in order to suggest and project the perception/possibility of sex is what makes them the right person. Enormous amounts of time, money and effort are spent on make up, heels, bras, hair color, etc etc etc in the assumption that looking a certain way is what makes them the right person. Never mind that most of what makes them look that way is fake. And they never even consider the possibility that there is anything else that is necessary to be done in order to be the right person.

    Anything else that women do regarding education, career etc that would increase their worth... is usually done only for themselves. If they make an effort to earn more money, it's not because they intend to share it with the man they are trying to find. If they get an education, it is because it will be a benefit themselves (so they "...don't need no man...!!!"). It isn't achieved in order to make themselves more interesting to talk to for the man they are seeking. If they work out and stay in shape, it's because they believe it will help them extract more of what they want from higher value men. It isn't really done for the benefit of the man they are trying to find.

    They continue on the assumption that sex, or the possibility of sex, and nothing else, is enough to offer in trade for virtually everything else that they demand a man bring to the table to offer them. What they don't seem to realize is that this assumption is only true for young men, for a relatively brief period, who are at the peak of the their hormonal drive for sex. Those men (aged 15-25 for the most part) are very rarely the ones with a long list of things to offer. They are just the easiest to manipulate into handing over whatever they do have.

    By the time a young man has arrived at the 35 year old millionaire status these women seem to be seeking, the wall has arrived with him. And his hormones are not making his decisions for him anymore.

    No wonder post wall women are so pissed off.

    But that anger is based on the incorrect assumption that my hormones, and their looks were going to last forever. Neither of these were promised to them by anyone.

    It is a sad situation for us all. But it is a situation created by feminism, not by me. And I will not consent to be destroyed by it in order to make someone else feel better about their incorrect assumptions.

    Rage on, bitches...

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    Re: You Are Hunted: ‘Sales funnels’ and high-value men: the rise of strategic dating

    Quote Originally Posted by nothingness View Post
    There must be something seriously wrong with her looks if she's not lying about this.....
    Not glamorous, but not bad either (IMO), as far as appearances go:




    *Unless* it's an old pic, which is highly probable.

    But I would agree, in general. A woman who is this -decently- attractive not dating for 10 years....something is up.

    I suspect she is not telling the truth, either about this being a current photo; or in fact she did date someone in that time, but is now "telling a story."

    {Hmmmm, pic seems to not be showing up.....}
    Last edited by Faramir; October 14, 2021 at 8:59 PM. Reason: Pic not showing up...

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    Re: You Are Hunted: ‘Sales funnels’ and high-value men: the rise of strategic dating

    I just read the whole article. it says she went out with 138 different men over a 3 year period before meting her husband. And as soon as she met him, she knew right way that he was the right now.

    My interpretation of that girl-speak: I went out with 137 different guys, and none of them measured up to my standards. So, I got desperate and lowered my standards, and decided to take the next guy who showed up willing to wife me.

    My prediction: She will resent that she 'settled' the first time any female friend of hers appears with a husband that she deems has met more of her previous standards than her husband does. When she has extracted from him all the commitment, attention, protection, children and other resources that he has to offer, that resentment about settling will still be there, and she'll dump him and resume her search for that guy who can meet all her standards.

    I am not using a crystal ball to make this prediction, just a history book.

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    Re: You Are Hunted: ‘Sales funnels’ and high-value men: the rise of strategic dating

    Deeper in the other article are the signs that she's using him as "beta bucks".

    He’s also super reliable
    I’m the big picture person and Rod is the details person – so I’ll book the holiday and think we can work it out when we get there, but he’ll research and book the taxis and plan what we’re going to do. He’s also a bit of a perfectionist – he’ll be packed and ready two days before we’re due to fly, whereas I’m used to running through the airport as they’re calling my name!
    Translation: I give the orders and my man servant does all the work.
    Rebekah pushes me to make leaps of faith and do things I might not necessarily do
    I wonder if this includes MMF threesomes, or allowing her to have a side piece(s)?
    While she was writing it, she let me read the chapters I was in.
    So he has no authority in their relationship.

    Time for the biggest red flag
    she’s not terribly organised. She tends to fly by the seat of her pants, whereas I’m the one who does the detailed stuff and makes sure the laundry is done and the bills are paid and that kind of thing.
    This is a rich but beta doormat who pays all the bills, does all the laundry, cleaning, cooking whilst servicing his Queen who "flies by the seat of her pants" aka makes sporadic rash emotional based decisions, which likely include cheating in my opinion.

    Call me cynical but looks wise he's far above her. He could easily be dating a 21 year old with no baggage if he lost a bit of weight and took the red pill.


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