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    Women need to start demonstrating value again

    I find myself continually trying to figure out what there is for men to gain from male/female romantic relationships in today's world, because women don't really demonstrate any real value anymore besides sex, which can be dangerous. And even sex is a hard maybe because sex in relationships is often short-lived, and even then we all know females can and often do use sex as manipulation. On top of THAT, women today no longer require relationships for sex, so even sex isn't a reason to embark on a relationship with one of them today.

    Women have basically had their assess kissed for so long in society that they are now demonstrating entitlement on a scale we've never seen before.

    The dynamic looks like this:

    She wants to have all of the female privileges of the past: everything is about her, you are expected to provide for her, even though she makes close to, as much or more than you, the wedding is about her, the house is how she wants it, you are supposed to be chivalrous, she doesn't have to do any of the traditionally masculine chores, you are supposed to spend your money on her, she is your dainty princess that you have to take care of - what's hers is hers and what's yours is hers.

    BUT she also wants you to do 50% of the housework and cooking on top of all of the traditionally masculine work, she wants to focus primarily on her career and send your infant children to daycare, when she doesn't want sex you're supposed to be understanding and okay with that, but when you don't want it she is allowed to throw a petulant fit and get pissed at you. At the drop of a hat she may also decide that you aren't satisfying her ever changing, dynamic needs, so she will go off and bitch to her friends and family about how horrible and stable you are, and they will only validate her. The idea that a couple should keep a unified front is dead in today's world.

    Anyway, with all of this said, I just don't see what value modern women are offering men. To me it just seems like we have to give and give and then be called "regressive" or something for wanting something in return. There used to be a dynamic in play that made sense, they dismantled that dynamic, but still want to have their cake and eat it too. It's up to us to say that it doesn't work that way, else we're going to keep getting shipped up the river.

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    Re: Women need to start demonstrating value again

    Woman have nothing that I want!
    It's a man's world and we need to take it by the throat and make it give us what we desire.

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    Re: Women need to start demonstrating value again

    In fairness why would they change, to them itís a winning formula they canít go wrong at this point, itís the men who need to change and I donít think it will ever happen a lot of them do learn but itís often to late, as you say women bring nothing to the table not even basic bloody loyalty, then again why does a woman need to be loyal as plenty more simps will be waiting for her.

    women donít need any education as all they need to do is put some skimpy clobber on install onlyfans then hello £*******

    stay away folks they will only hinder you.

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    Re: Women need to start demonstrating value again

    Man have plenty to gain:

    1. Disappointment
    2. Wasted time
    3. Missed opportunities
    4. Forced abandonment of hobbies
    5. Forced abandonment of favorite music
    6. Forced abandonment of best friends
    7. Self-doubt
    8. Death of soul

    A veritable cornucopia of blessings.

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    Re: Women need to start demonstrating value again

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    Well exactly, women have all the cards stacked in their favor, so it's a rigged game. Honestly, the only way to stop it is if men start saying no and don't over compromise. Starve them out, basically.

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    Re: Women need to start demonstrating value again

    My ears melted over my ear canals @ "Women need...", good to see my reflexes are sharper than ever!

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    Re: Women need to start demonstrating value again

    Quote Originally Posted by ResidentEvil7 View Post
    Woman have nothing that I want!
    Not me! I want their money, their services, hell, they're even nice to look at!

    Charley Manson knew how to push all the right buttons like a robotics professor! The man had skills!

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    Re: Women need to start demonstrating value again

    In general people are in it for short term, fast gain now. Most men just want the sex and women are fine with that as they want whatever resources and attention they can acquire from him. In the past I was on dating sites where women were sending me unsolicited nude and skimpy photos of themselves which was, to be honest a little shocking as I was brought up at a time where we were taught women don't do that and not to treat women like sluts.

    So she sends the pics, gets the sex, whatever resources and of course the attention. He gets the pussy. Game over.

    There isn't much need anymore to form relationships, let alone long term ones. She can acquire sperm in ways that means she doesn't even have to be with a man. He can get sex easily enough if he wants it.

    And I do believe the battle of the sexes has destroyed male female relationships for good. Women are taught to see men as the oppressor and are being taught that the Future is Female. Not to mention a huge push for LGBTIQ relations, where it should be noted there is a lot more acceptance for women to be with each other than men.

    And if she really doesn't care, she can sell herself in various ways, some of which also don't require her to have any direct contact.

    And more and more men are walking away altogether. In theory, Men could probably affect some change, we always hear about women going on sex strikes and withholding affection. Men could do the same I think it would have a far greater impact but that won't happen as there are still way too many Chads and Simps.

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    Re: Women need to start demonstrating value again

    Quote Originally Posted by Gravemind View Post
    I find myself continually trying to figure out what there is for men to gain from male/female romantic relationships in today's world, because women don't really demonstrate any real value anymore besides sex, which can be dangerous. And even sex is a hard maybe because sex in relationships is often short-lived, and even then we all know females can and often do use sex as manipulation. On top of THAT, women today no longer require relationships for sex, so even sex isn't a reason to embark on a relationship with one of them today.

    Women have basically had their assess kissed for so long in society that they are now demonstrating entitlement on a scale we've never seen before.

    The dynamic looks like this:

    She wants to have all of the female privileges of the past: everything is about her, you are expected to provide for her, even though she makes close to, as much or more than you, the wedding is about her, the house is how she wants it, you are supposed to be chivalrous, she doesn't have to do any of the traditionally masculine chores, you are supposed to spend your money on her, she is your dainty princess that you have to take care of - what's hers is hers and what's yours is hers.

    BUT she also wants you to do 50% of the housework and cooking on top of all of the traditionally masculine work, she wants to focus primarily on her career and send your infant children to daycare, when she doesn't want sex you're supposed to be understanding and okay with that, but when you don't want it she is allowed to throw a petulant fit and get pissed at you. At the drop of a hat she may also decide that you aren't satisfying her ever changing, dynamic needs, so she will go off and bitch to her friends and family about how horrible and stable you are, and they will only validate her. The idea that a couple should keep a unified front is dead in today's world.

    Anyway, with all of this said, I just don't see what value modern women are offering men. To me it just seems like we have to give and give and then be called "regressive" or something for wanting something in return. There used to be a dynamic in play that made sense, they dismantled that dynamic, but still want to have their cake and eat it too. It's up to us to say that it doesn't work that way, else we're going to keep getting shipped up the river.

    If things don't change MGTOW is going to keep rising, when it becomes mainstream belief you will see woman change back to the appearance of traditional values. Will feminism die? It has to. Will this cycle repeat again? Oh yeah.

    Some people think things are going to collapse but history has shown us that the pendulum of change goes back and forth. I notice religious values are starting to prosper again despite an atheistic, scientific culture...

    All this said i can almost guarantee that we (the current men) will all be dead by the time the pendulum swings back again, live your life and forget about women and their progress in my opinion. Woman's evolutionary strategy is based on the MEN and what kind of thoughts they have, always has been and always will be.

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    Re: Women need to start demonstrating value again

    Quote Originally Posted by Bubbles1999 View Post
    If things don't change MGTOW is going to keep rising, when it becomes mainstream belief you will see woman change back to the appearance of traditional values. Will feminism die? It has to. Will this cycle repeat again? Oh yeah.

    Some people think things are going to collapse but history has shown us that the pendulum of change goes back and forth. I notice religious values are starting to prosper again despite an atheistic, scientific culture...

    All this said i can almost guarantee that we (the current men) will all be dead by the time the pendulum swings back again, live your life and forget about women and their progress in my opinion. Woman's evolutionary strategy is based on the MEN and what kind of thoughts they have, always has been and always will be.
    I sure hope you're right about the pendulum swinging back the other way.

    One giant contributor to the current mess was the concept of no-fault divorce. That whole nasty scheme is thousands of miles away from the original intent of marriage: to glue a man and woman together so tightly that they became one person, impossible to separate. Until relatively recently, divorced people were looked down on by society. It was a badge of shame one wore for the rest of his (or her) life. One didn't necessarily become an Indian-style Untouchable, but it definitely put one at a social distance from the unmarried and still-married.

    I used to work with a guy from Sicily and we used to talk about whatever during lunch. One day he was telling me about all the marital problems his friend over there was having. I asked him how come his friend just didn't get a divorce. He looked at me like I was fucking crazy, shook his head, and said, quietly, "There is no divorce."

    Me, I still wouldn't get married. "No divorce" doesn't mean the marriage is problem-free; it means only that it's inescapable. One of those choose-your-poison deals. Problem is, people spend more time checking out a vehicle's projected long-term reliability before they buy it, than they do seriously considering how reliable and trustworthy someone of the opposite sex is going to be once the rings go on.

    But even that's pretty worthless nowadays. People are experts at subterfuge now.

    I picked Option 3. Didn't get married in the first place.

    Anyway, sorry for the rant...

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    Re: Women need to start demonstrating value again

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    I sure hope you're right about the pendulum swinging back the other way.

    One giant contributor to the current mess was the concept of no-fault divorce. That whole nasty scheme is thousands of miles away from the original intent of marriage: to glue a man and woman together so tightly that they became one person, impossible to separate. Until relatively recently, divorced people were looked down on by society. It was a badge of shame one wore for the rest of his (or her) life. One didn't necessarily become an Indian-style Untouchable, but it definitely put one at a social distance from the unmarried and still-married.

    I used to work with a guy from Sicily and we used to talk about whatever during lunch. One day he was telling me about all the marital problems his friend over there was having. I asked him how come his friend just didn't get a divorce. He looked at me like I was fucking crazy, shook his head, and said, quietly, "There is no divorce."

    Me, I still wouldn't get married. "No divorce" doesn't mean the marriage is problem-free; it means only that it's inescapable. One of those choose-your-poison deals. Problem is, people spend more time checking out a vehicle's projected long-term reliability before they buy it, than they do seriously considering how reliable and trustworthy someone of the opposite sex is going to be once the rings go on.

    But even that's pretty worthless nowadays. People are experts at subterfuge now.

    I picked Option 3. Didn't get married in the first place.

    Anyway, sorry for the rant...
    Rant? That wasn't a rant, that was enlightening! Shortly after no-fault (3 milliseconds) it was up to equality to hold the marriage and fabric of society together, and like any gypsy traveling freak show, we see where empowerment, liberation, and equality went in the hands of women by the incontrovertible statistics that show society, marriage, culture, and the whole kitten caboodle go straight down the shitter!

    In a way I guess we're some real buoyant floaters that came back up to live another flush! Great Chumbawamba lyrics! I get flushed down, but I float up again, you're never gonna keep me down, I get flushed down, but I float up again, you're never gonna keep me down,....

    This is what happens when I drink coffee past 5:00 PM, the gremlins come out!

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    Re: Women need to start demonstrating value again

    I'm old...my wife and I were married in 1984. And although it was already becoming a little difficult to find marriage-quality females back then, there were still a few of them out there. However, I look around at young women today and I honestly don't blame young guys for avoiding marriage at all costs. Contemporary Western women are absolutely not worth the effort....period.

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    Re: Women need to start demonstrating value again

    Did they ever have value? Even in the "good old days" the best a man could expect was to be a wage slave to a woman who stayed at home all day doing sweet fuck all and his kids who were a drain on resources. If you were lucky, you'd get dinner made for you and a fuck at the end of a hard working day, at worst you'd get nothing and told to fuck off by the wife, then have to entertain the kids cos she would complain she's been home all day with the kids.

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    The modern woman is no more than a trophy for alphas to compete for or show off. The rest of us are either tormented by them or impartial to them.

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    Re: Women need to start demonstrating value again

    Quote Originally Posted by Duplin27852 View Post
    I'm old...my wife and I were married in 1984. And although it was already becoming a little difficult to find marriage-quality females back then, there were still a few of them out there. However, I look around at young women today and I honestly don't blame young guys for avoiding marriage at all costs. Contemporary Western women are absolutely not worth the effort....period.
    Speaking of which, I was born in the early 70's. Watching my grandfather, Uncle and to a lesser degree my father, I could see that they needed women to do things for them. My grandfather didn't know how to use a washing machine and I don't think he knew how to cook. I even see some guys I work with who are from more traditional cultural backgrounds struggle because their wives do a lot of that kind of thing for them.

    Point is, one of the unintended consequences of Feminism is men became more capable/less reliant on women to take care of them. So why would a young man get married?

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    Re: Women need to start demonstrating value again

    Quote Originally Posted by Kryptic View Post
    My grandfather didn't know how to use a washing machine and I don't think he knew how to cook. I even see some guys I work with who are from more traditional cultural backgrounds struggle because their wives do a lot of that kind of thing for them.

    Point is, one of the unintended consequences of Feminism is men became more capable/less reliant on women to take care of them.
    100% this. Feminists claim that the male role is obsolete. As always, they are 180į lying: it's the female role that is obsolete, the role of home-maker and child-raiser. It's not women that don't need men anymore: it's men that don't need women. And we just don't. Women are at best a nice-to-have.

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    Re: Women need to start demonstrating value again

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wombat View Post
    100% this. Feminists claim that the male role is obsolete. As always, they are 180į lying: it's the female role that is obsolete, the role of home-maker and child-raiser. It's not women that don't need men anymore: it's men that don't need women. And we just don't. Women are at best a nice-to-have.
    I spent some time on a Sugar Baby site years back and it astounded me how so many women can't communicate with a man let alone charm him. Sure they can talk sex and post racy pics but in terms of really being charming and someone you want to spend time with, they just don't have a clue.

    So even at that level, just being this graceful creature who is fun to be around, they fail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravemind View Post
    ...and send your infant children to daycare...
    This is very cruel and verges on psychopathy.

    Children are more victims of woman than most of us. They donīt care for children, future generations or even civilization.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravemind View Post
    In response to Encrypted:

    Well exactly, women have all the cards stacked in their favor, so it's a rigged game. Honestly, the only way to stop it is if men start saying no and don't over compromise. Starve them out, basically.

    Agree. The best action is no action at all. The solution is very simple and yet majority cannot realize.

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    Re: Women need to start demonstrating value again

    Quote Originally Posted by Gravemind View Post
    I find myself continually trying to figure out what there is for men to gain from male/female romantic relationships in today's world, because women don't really demonstrate any real value anymore besides sex, which can be dangerous. And even sex is a hard maybe because sex in relationships is often short-lived, and even then we all know females can and often do use sex as manipulation. On top of THAT, women today no longer require relationships for sex, so even sex isn't a reason to embark on a relationship with one of them today.

    Women have basically had their assess kissed for so long in society that they are now demonstrating entitlement on a scale we've never seen before.

    The dynamic looks like this:

    She wants to have all of the female privileges of the past: everything is about her, you are expected to provide for her, even though she makes close to, as much or more than you, the wedding is about her, the house is how she wants it, you are supposed to be chivalrous, she doesn't have to do any of the traditionally masculine chores, you are supposed to spend your money on her, she is your dainty princess that you have to take care of - what's hers is hers and what's yours is hers.

    BUT she also wants you to do 50% of the housework and cooking on top of all of the traditionally masculine work, she wants to focus primarily on her career and send your infant children to daycare, when she doesn't want sex you're supposed to be understanding and okay with that, but when you don't want it she is allowed to throw a petulant fit and get pissed at you. At the drop of a hat she may also decide that you aren't satisfying her ever changing, dynamic needs, so she will go off and bitch to her friends and family about how horrible and stable you are, and they will only validate her. The idea that a couple should keep a unified front is dead in today's world.

    Anyway, with all of this said, I just don't see what value modern women are offering men. To me it just seems like we have to give and give and then be called "regressive" or something for wanting something in return. There used to be a dynamic in play that made sense, they dismantled that dynamic, but still want to have their cake and eat it too. It's up to us to say that it doesn't work that way, else we're going to keep getting shipped up the river.
    Women only offer a quick endorphin high from sex, and everything else is baggage and heavy demands. You might as well just shoot heroine. It's risky, but less risky than a woman.


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