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    Women make good servants but horrible masters

    It was around 26 years old when I realized the cultural transformation had gone horribly wrong.* I had some rough years of red pilled rage but now that I'm 7 years older I'm beginning to have a new perspective.* Being on my own has allowed me to become a millionaire business owner.* I put my time in and now I hardly work yet earn an average of $1000/day in mostly passive income.

    The money & freedom has been nice but TBH I still suffer a bit from depression.* There is most definitely a hole in my life that I'd love to fill with a family but I understand that for the trap it is.* So far I've been able to replace the "girlfriend" concept with a variety of servants, and that has worked out reasonably well:

    -housekeeper twice a week $300/w
    -personal chef $250/w
    -sugar babies from seeking arrangment $500-1000/w

    At some level I realize I've now created a superior "girlfriend" experience for myself, and all it took was rolling up my sleeves and getting work done.* My point here is that most guys enjoy work, being productive and the feeling of accomplishment that comes after.* Harness that.

    The sugar daddy / sugar baby lifestyle in particular has allowed me to regularly fuck gorgeous women under 25 years old.* I generally go for monogamous arrangements and terminate them all at the 90 day mark.* My balls get emptied on the regular, I never have to masturbate, and I've even developed some great emotional connections with these girls.* I enjoy the passion of a constantly new relationship but I have enough presence of mind to know these feelings are just temporary chemicals in my brain.

    I still do crave something more permanent and enduring, so now I'm starting to plan out a family with a surrogate, high IQ eggs, and nanny.* I even toy with the idea of bringing in an actual long term girlfriend to complete my MGTOW family.* A girlfriend that will have no legal ties to me or my children.

    I bring this up not to brag but to show the younger guys the way.* Ultimately you are limited by your IQ level and work ethic, but in the first world it's really not that hard.* Just sit in a quiet room alone and read and think until you are rich.* It IS possible and much easier as a single man.

    If you can make this happen, you will slowly find yourself in a better position than the 1950s trad lifestyle.

    -A chef will cook better than a wife
    -A housekeeper will clean better than a wife
    -A sugar baby will suck&fuck more submissively than a wife, and you can swap them out once you're bored or they age out (Coolidge effect is very real)
    -A surrogate + high IQ egg donor will provide a stronger and smarter baby than some random genes you find at a bar
    -A nanny will wipe ass and feed your kids better than a wife will

    IF THEY DON'T, YOU JUST FIRE THEM AND GET A NEW ONE!

    As in jujitsu, you can capture, transform, and harness these cultural forces hurtling your way.* Transmute the negative into a positive.* Money and in particular compound interest can set you free.* If you're in your 20s/30's and reading this, find a way to ditch your job and go into business for yourself ASAP.* Use this post as a motivator.*

    You can either be miserable or you can focus on solutions. You might just come out the other side better off than the trad life you think you want.

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    Re: Women make good servants but horrible masters

    For a guy who don't want to brag you're doing a good job.
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    Re: Women make good servants but horrible masters

    Work will set you free

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    Re: Women make good servants but horrible masters

    Quote Originally Posted by ReturnOfHarems View Post

    If you can make this happen, you will slowly find yourself in a better position than the 1950s trad lifestyle.

    You can either be miserable or you can focus on solutions. You might just come out the other side better off than the trad life you think you want.
    If you really did lurk here as your intro claims, you'd know there are few trade con fans on this forum. What I think I want is less bullshit from a rookie.
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    Re: Women make good servants but horrible masters

    I feel for you. This is what I offer. You give me all that wealth and I will take it, allowing you to be free of the burdens of what to do with it all. I promise I will send you a post card once a week with updates on what I am doing with your money.

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    Re: Women make good servants but horrible masters

    Three posts that are all hot air, then you run back to moma. Don't even have the common decency to hang around and go down in flames. Good job ROH, you're the lamest troll we've had in years.

    When someone claims to be rich, it means they're not.
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    Re: Women make good servants but horrible masters

    I can cook what I want, I clean what I want, don't need to waste money on a wet hole, not selfish enough to bring a child into this life. Money doesn't solve life's problems, man I'd never want to be so lazy that I couldn't even complete simple tasks and just throw money at them - that's a legit disconnect from reality, especially when your income is passive so you have even more free time.

    How big is your mansion that you need an actual housekeepers & chefs... Just cook yourself?
    Why did you waste money buying a huge house for your lonesome self that requires housekeepers even, is it to impress the hookers you're hiring - materialism, what a waste.

    Is having babies some strange rich people thing, why do you want to bring a child into this shithole of a world - you have all that money and you come to the conclusion that family is the solution to your depression, happiness is not external.
    Odd fixation on wanting high IQ kids, who doesn't - yet critical thinking will lead you understand that IQ means an even better understanding of how stupid the majority of society is.
    Your child would be more likely to use their high IQ getting sky-high and partying on your dime - or checking out of life early cause they already have everything.

    Is all this extravagent spending just to prove to society that you made it, where is the personnel fulfillment in this sea of dollar bills? Looks like a very vapid lifestyle.

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    Re: Women make good servants but horrible masters

    Interesting.... can't really know if the OP actually generates that amount of truly passive... The few folks i know who actually do generate that amount of income (or i suspect are pretty close) have found ways to mitigate depression in the more traditional ways - lots of regular physical exercise or meds (or possibly a combination).

    They all have kids (except 1 guy who i don't know well and isn't quite in the 300k club) and one is married so i can't really opine about that.

    That said, none of these guys i know give could two $hits about what others think about their lifestyle choices - whether 'vapid' or not (aside from their vocational client/patient relationships). They just don't care what other people think about... but they're all generally very nice folks (to me anyway and as far as i can tell are with others). I don't know if that's strictly from their financial stability or not, but that's my experience with 'em.

    They're not uber wealthy, but maybe people in that uber-strata are different?

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    Re: Women make good servants but horrible masters

    I am certain the op can generate that kind of money. Online passive money works 24 hours a day with little intervention...its all about having the right product/service at the right price and getting it in front of the right people.

    I don't think the world needs 1 more freaking baby...enough of that BS. The rest of it actually makes pretty good sense. I am trying to figure out my exact path forward, and I am going to ponder all this a great deal.

    Thanks for the post.

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    Re: Women make good servants but horrible masters

    Quote Originally Posted by ReturnOfHarems View Post
    It was around 26 years old when I realized the cultural transformation had gone horribly wrong.* I had some rough years of red pilled rage but now that I'm 7 years older I'm beginning to have a new perspective.* Being on my own has allowed me to become a millionaire business owner.* I put my time in and now I hardly work yet earn an average of $1000/day in mostly passive income.
    This blowhard was just having fun on a Saturday night. He's no more a millionaire than I am.
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    Re: Women make good servants but horrible masters

    Interesting style of trolling – hey guys lookit what I got!

    But let’s say for the sake of argument you’re being honest here:

    It seems you’ve had a silver spoon life and inherited all your shit from daddy. Nothing wrong with that but instead of following in daddy’s footsteps of hard work to build an empire you’re quite content to sit on your ass while paying others to wipe it for you.

    No wonder your life seems pointless and depressing, you do nothing for yourself and hence have no sense of accomplishment.

    And I particularly enjoyed this:

    I still do crave something more permanent and enduring, so now I'm starting to plan out a family with a surrogate, high IQ eggs, and nanny.* I even toy with the idea of bringing in an actual long term girlfriend to complete my MGTOW family.* A girlfriend that will have no legal ties to me or my children.
    You’re living in cloud cuckoo land.

    First off, no MGTOW would even consider cohabiting with a new girlfriend. They are the antithesis of each other. There is no such thing as a MGTOW family.

    Second, ANY live in lover will have ties to your wealth.

    Third, high I.Q. biological mother does not equate to high I.Q. kids.

    Non MGTOW. Non educated. Non sense.

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    Re: Women make good servants but horrible masters

    Haha, a controversial post. Personally I agree with what you're saying and have done what you've described for some years. The message will rankle some because you're a newbie telling veterans what they should do, or showing off your wealth.

    Some of you may be wondering -- who is this Jagrmeister guy? Have a look at some of my posts from MGTOW Forums--> Jagr Archive (collection of my articles)



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    Re: Women make good servants but horrible masters

    No pussy is worth $1000 a week. None.

    ...and thanks to Jackoff and RWF for stating basically what I wanted to say to OP.
    "No men who really think deeply about women can retain a high opinion of them; men either despise women or they have never thought seriously about them." Otto Weininger.

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    Re: Women make good servants but horrible masters

    maybe not worth $1000 per session...but for a weeks worth of sessions? sounds like a very good deal

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    Re: Women make good servants but horrible masters

    Quote Originally Posted by jagrmeister View Post
    Haha, a controversial post. Personally I agree with what you're saying and have done what you've described for some years. The message will rankle some because you're a newbie telling veterans what they should do, or showing off your wealth.
    People are no doubt doing this, but I don't think our new friend is one.

    One post in August, two last Saturday, all short on details and long on hot air. Then he disappears.

    If a guy was that rich and lived the way he says, why would he bother with us? And if he was for real and wanted in, why didn't he defend himself? I still think it was just a guy having a few yucks on Saturday night. I been wrong before, but don't think I am this time.
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    Re: Women make good servants but horrible masters

    Quote Originally Posted by frog View Post
    People are no doubt doing this, but I don't think our new friend is one.

    One post in August, two last Saturday, all short on details and long on hot air. Then he disappears.

    If a guy was that rich and lived the way he says, why would he bother with us? And if he was for real and wanted in, why didn't he defend himself? I still think it was just a guy having a few yucks on Saturday night. I been wrong before, but don't think I am this time.
    To be fair, he was greeted with disbelief and derided - perhaps he didn't appreciate the type of welcome that was rolled out and decided to quit?
    Last I checked, it isn't a crime on these forums to be rich and to spend one's money on housekeepers and sugarbabies.

    I'm nearly 100% certain there are some young millionaires posting in this forum, either from gains in the stock market in the past decade or from recent explosive gains in crypto (Jagrmeister is likely one).

    I don't think any man, rich or poor, is immune to being screwed over by women or by the gynocentric system. Maybe they stumbled onto MGTOW before getting a windfall from investing or from their inheritance. If these MGTOW are young and full of hormones, monk mode may not be so acceptable to them and they may well be considering how to allocate some portion of the money for regular pussy while insulating themselves from being trapped by commitment.

    Sure he could have been more tactful and presented himself in a more humble manner. Or perhaps he was too excited to connect with others who lived the same lifestyle as him and thus gave out too much information without checking for propriety.

    It (housekeepers and sugarbabies) isn't even out of reach for the average guy if one were to go to the 3rd world countries where the average household wage (household, meaning husband, wife and X kids - usually totalling 4+ people) lived on is less than a tenth of what the average American/British worker gets in a monthly pay check. There's a reason why some, including myself, would advocate for and are planning to retire in certain 3rd world countries, where it can afford oneself to live like a king or at least extremely comfortably.
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    Re: Women make good servants but horrible masters

    I'm not asking for any trade secrets. But a better explanation of how you become a "millionaire business owner" who "pulls a thousand a day without trying" would be helpful.

    That could be forgiven if the rest of his post had been more than mildly entertaining. But it wasn't. From there on it was all I got this and I do that. Start a business and become a millionaire. That's it? Geeze, why am I always the last one to get the word?

    When we have wrongly accused someone, two things usually happen. They get mad, call us names and leave in a huff. Or they get mad, call us names and prove us wrong. A few so accused have become some of our better members. This don't prove our new friend is a troll, but the odds are against him. In seven years, there's only been two or three times I remember us being proven wrong.

    Five years ago, we were getting half a dozen trolls a week. My guess is it was a woman, or a group of women stirring the shit. They hit it hard, but a lack of sucess finally made them give up.
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    Re: Women make good servants but horrible masters

    Quote Originally Posted by frog View Post
    I'm not asking for any trade secrets. But a better explanation of how you become a "millionaire business owner" who "pulls a thousand a day without trying" would be helpful. That could be forgiven if the rest of his post had been more than mildly entertaining. But it wasn't. From there on it was all I got this and I do that.
    It took until post #7 for someone to ask him a question, and even then it was unrelated to how he made his money. Perhaps it would have been better if we opened up with asking him how he made his money and then using his replies to judge if he was telling the truth.

    To be honest, I don't think anyone HAS asked him, even up till now - it was either prejudgements or snide comments, fairly or unfairly, we won't know until he gets back to us - if he gets back to us. The only non-critical comments he had were from Flying who thanked him for the post and from Jagrmeister admitting that he himself had done the same for some years.

    The point being that we wouldn't know if he was honest if we didn't ask, and attacking him right from the get-go isn't likely to elicit the the sort of clear answers which would enable us to determine that. In this instance, I believe we've borderline failed the do's (do ask questions, do show respect to others, do foster collaborative exchanges) as well as the don'ts of the forum (don't be dismissive, don't question other's integrity, don't show excessive cynicism) and hopefully we're right and it was a troll so no harm was done.

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    Re: Women make good servants but horrible masters

    Quote Originally Posted by frog View Post
    I'm not asking for any trade secrets. But a better explanation of how you become a "millionaire business owner" who "pulls a thousand a day without trying" would be helpful.

    That could be forgiven if the rest of his post had been more than mildly entertaining. But it wasn't. From there on it was all I got this and I do that. Start a business and become a millionaire. That's it? Geeze, why am I always the last one to get the word?
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    In my experience, most people who start their own businesses end up working their asses off, and there's no guarantee of success. On the rare occasions they find "easy money" it doesn't last long, as other people figure it out and jump on the bandwagon. In an open competitive economy, easy money is a fleeting thing. I'm not up on the current numbers, but the failure rate for start-up small businesses typically runs about 90% within the first 5 years.

    And in the internet age, the level of BS and lies has gone through the roof. There's usually no way to confirm, other than looking for inconsistencies in the presentation. The OP mentions the "first world" and a variety of servants including cheap hookers. That sounds like the typical ex-pat claim. 20 years ago, when I first heard about it, supposedly a transplant to Thailand or the Philippines could live like a king and have servants and sex for little money. I do know one guy who tried it, even bragging about how great it was. He tried to form some sort of small business over there, but it sure wasn't a path to a $million. He ended up back in the USA.

    So we'll see on this one. My bet is just it's just one more fly by night poster who will make 5 comments and leave, when not enough people bite the hook and beg for the secrets to his success.

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    Re: Women make good servants but horrible masters

    Quote Originally Posted by johnsmith79 View Post

    The point being that we wouldn't know if he was honest if we didn't ask, and attacking him right from the get-go isn't likely to elicit the the sort of clear answers which would enable us to determine that. In this instance, I believe we've borderline failed the do's (do ask questions, do show respect to others, do foster collaborative exchanges) as well as the don'ts of the forum (don't be dismissive, don't question other's integrity, don't show excessive cynicism) and hopefully we're right and it was a troll so no harm was done.
    Ask a troll to be honest?

    Your right, we were borderline. Kyrptic and I tore right into him. But had he said anything worthwhile we'd a been respectful. When you walk like a duck and quack like a duck, expect to get treated like a duck.

    ROH didn't even stick around to call us names, he wasn't real.
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