Thread: Women in construction

Seems the construction industry is way sexist.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-...-more/10382932

My favourite bit?

A typical construction manager arrives on site at 6.30am, leaves after 6.30pm and does more work from home, six days a week. A culture of "presenteeism" makes construction careers challenging for most people, but especially those with care responsibilities.

"Presenteeism". Fuck me. You see, it's not the work that is preventing the ladies from being in construction: it's this silly notion that they are supposed to show up and actually do it.

Actually, it's all gold. How about this:

In one large company we studied, 50 per cent of women didn't return to work after parental leave. Parental leave was viewed as a cost to construction projects, with little recognition of the value it provided to women's career progression.

Holy shit. Look, ladies: Imagine you paid someone for a haircut. Imagine that person fucked off halfway through the job because - I dunno - to attend classes on "Marketing for hairdressers" at the local college. Would the fact that that hairdresser was providing value to her own career progression make it ok that she left you with half a haircut?

Why do men earn more than women on average? It's right there in that word "earn". Men on average work harder, longer, and better. Why? Because we have to - but that's a whole 'nother post.

I love this photo caption: “More female tradies won't fix the problem unless they're supported throughout their careers”. Can you smell their strength and independence? Fucking snowflakes even troubled by words. Oh my, I saw “penetration” on a safety sign, I must rush to a safe space shelter!!! But I am equal to a man, waaah!

Worked construction before going into the military. Other things that keeps women is the type of people working. Every lowlife in town that can hold it together for the shift has a job. Addiction is a rampant problem. Then there is where you are working, out in the elements. Rain, Summer heat, Winter cold, and if it rains for more then a quick shower you are out of work until it drys to the point you can get back into the site. Then there are the slow downs where the contracts dry up and no one is being called into work.
It was fun for a while, glad I did not make it a lifelong profession.

Feminists always avoid the real answer. Construction is hard work and the majority of woman aren't built for it nor do they want to do it. This is good example of how feminist bully their own gender trying to force women in to jobs they don't want.

I'm sure they all want to be supervisors.....The grunt work is for those nasty men types.

Originally Posted by Knarley Bob

I'm sure they all want to be supervisors.....The grunt work is for those nasty men types.

*in Mr Miyagi's voice* hit nail on head....

some feminists say women are "just as capable" of men... well, I'll believe that when I see women "working the high iron"... (which I should say is something that requires a special breed of man to do...cant be done by just anybody..)

Originally Posted by Knarley Bob

I'm sure they all want to be supervisors.....The grunt work is for those nasty men types.

Yep, just look at the example they cited: “A typical construction manager …”

Anyway, all these strong and independent women just cannot seem to be able to perform at the level of men, and under the same conditions as men. They keep demanding with a straight face that the bar should be lowered for their strong and independent asses. You see this everywhere: the army, the police, firefighters, STEM, managerial positions, you name it. And the bar is lowered. Many still cannot clear it. It is placed on the ground. They still manage to trip over it. Soon it will be under the ground, and they will trip over their own feet, demanding further support.

Strong and independent—requires special conditions and support. The cognitive dissonance is astounding. Women are fucking clowns. In a sane world they would be laughed at until they shut the fuck up in tears .

Originally Posted by Eiji

some feminists say women are "just as capable" of men...

Sure they are (original column):

Construction managers work long hours and make money through sheer will and effort. The reason why they bring their work home is that their reputation is on the line if they don't meet the budget as well regulatory standards for each phase. Without a good reputation you can not earn future contracts easily or a steady flow.

Another reason why construction managers are on site so much is they have to oversee the project and ensure it is on schedule and ensure workers aren't maimed,injured or killed while on the job. Lots of dummies work in the construction industry so your head is always on a swivel when on a construction site.

I propose a simple solution. Men-only and female-only firms that cater to men and females respectively.
No crossover of clients allowed.
That way it will soon be clear - when directionless starving females live in roofless ruins without heat, water and sanitation - who the real world builders are.

Originally Posted by Yumbo

I propose a simple solution. Men-only and female-only firms that cater to men and females respectively.
No crossover of clients allowed.
That way it will soon be clear - when directionless starving females live in roofless ruins without heat, water and sanitation - who the real world builders are.

Nah, they'll still blame men and pat eachother on the back because they suffered through it together, sisterhood and all that crap.

Originally Posted by Resdayn

Nah, they'll still blame men and pat eachother on the back because they suffered through it together, sisterhood and all that crap.

True - however directionless starving females live in roofless ruins without heat, water and sanitation don't really have much else to do anyway.

Originally Posted by Yumbo

That way it will soon be clear - when directionless starving females live in roofless ruins without heat, water and sanitation - who the real world builders are.

I see you have watched those "Men vs Women" series of Survivor.

The problem is that you end up with the disaster that happened in south Florida where innocent student lives were lost because they were stress testing a bridge when traffic flow wasn't stopped.

Screw the noise about giving women what they want if it means young kids and young adults lose their lives just because activist feminist feelings are hurt. What about the families that lost their kids on that day? Their feelings don't matter? What a terrible, terrible way to go.

Female engineers, white knight construction testers, and then FDOT stood by scared to oppose the female engineering and white knights and you end up with this disaster.

Originally Posted by Mr Wombat

I see you have watched those "Men vs Women" series of Survivor.

It was either that or Oprah.

Originally Posted by Azure Nomad

Screw the noise about giving women what they want if it means young kids and young adults lose their lives just because activist feminist feelings are hurt. What about the families that lost their kids on that day? Their feelings don't matter? What a terrible, terrible way to go.

I hear you. Sometimes to kill the disease you need to chop off a limb or two. Feminism will not go away anytime soon, It does not matter to us MGTOW anyway. But ordinary people will have to possibly die on a regular basis at the hands of feminazi-qualified engineers, doctors and other assorted trash before society gets the message.

How bad will it get? I don't really know. But I am guessing pretty damn' bad...

To be a successful manager of most things, you need to have done some of the jobs that are managed, in order to have a good understanding of how things work and don't work.
This is also necessary to earn the respect of the workers. So to qualify, a woman should start working in construction as almost all jobs are apprenticed into. You start as the "go fer." (Go fer this, go fer that, if you're not familiar)

Watch blocklayers build a block wall for the foundation of a house. The junior guy feeds them. This means for 12 hrs a day (daylight) he walks back and fourth carrying cement blocks, feeding two guys or so who lay them. That walk could be a fair way - more than 100'. You can't leave because some one is sick at school. You leave, the wall stops. If the wall stops or any other aspect of the project it goes all out of what.

Construction work often depends on good weather, when its there, you work your ass off. Deadlines need to be met.

The construction managers work like that because they have to to get sh1t done. If you don't get it done, you go out of business or get fired. Period. The companies are often paid for based on results. House isn't at such level? You don't get paid. Bank won't release the funds. You don't get paid, you can't pay your labor, on and on.

Throughout my career hiring people for things, you notice something. People who are genuinely interested in it, are already doing "it" in some capacity. If you're a computer programmer or a mechanic or even a pastry chef, you start tinkering in some way at home before anyone every pays you to do it.
I have known some tough capable women in my time. I am a firm believer if a woman wanted to be a construction manager, she could be, she should go do it. Women don't want these jobs - and thats ok.

Anytime government regulation is introduced to tell an industry how to staff, it removes productivity and capability from that industry. Costs go up. t.

What these feminists don't understand is that these men are business men. They hire on price, capability and risk. Show up for a good price, with capability relative to price and risk, and someone will hire you.

Originally Posted by Yumbo

I propose a simple solution. Men-only and female-only firms that cater to men and females respectively.
No crossover of clients allowed.
That way it will soon be clear - when directionless starving females live in roofless ruins without heat, water and sanitation - who the real world builders are.

The Engineering Design Firm for the Florida International University pedestrian bridge was ALL FEMALE. The Female Engineering Team that designed that bridge touted the fact that they were ALL Female and were breaking ground in an area of construction that had previously been male denominated.

Well ... they definitely "broke ground", and 6 lives, with their work.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/loc...212571434.html

Originally Posted by Older and Wiser

Well ... they definitely "broke ground", and 6 lives, with their work.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/loc...212571434.html

Well, that is what happens when you fake it. That is why whenever there is true accountability in a work field, it tends to be male dominated. Be it STEM, trades, agriculture and natural resources, there are very few ways of deflecting blame or shirking responsibility without consequence.

Originally Posted by Yumbo

It was either that or Oprah.



I hear you. Sometimes to kill the disease you need to chop off a limb or two. Feminism will not go away anytime soon, It does not matter to us MGTOW anyway. But ordinary people will have to possibly die on a regular basis at the hands of feminazi-qualified engineers, doctors and other assorted trash before society gets the message.

How bad will it get? I don't really know. But I am guessing pretty damn' bad...

I concur that some lessons the normies have to learn on their own. But it sucks to know how to avoid such dangers but you can't openly share such vital information. Such is the life for being woke I guess and being able to have cheat codes to sail through life as a man going his own way. I personally think it is bittersweet to have such freedom of knowledge while others must suffer. But it is what it is and hopefully that event awakened some men to walk away from this political correctness crap.

Comments from the article:

During the course of our research, we visited six sites across Australia. In the main entrance of one site, a safety sign noted there was a "penetration behind", and underneath was scribbled "Brooke LOL".

The construction manager said he had not even noticed the graffiti.

Unlike trip hazards that are spotted and rectified, sexist language goes unnoticed and unacted on.

And women want to breast-feed in public. It's a natural function that they say should trump all other considerations. Women just want to be dictators in everything, everywhere.

It should be pointed out to women that they equally participate in penetration. It belongs to women, too. They might try reframing their reactions in that context. Could make for a more adult argument. Neither author was named Brooke, so they made her a victim to suit their purposes. Brooke may have prompted the graffiti, for all we don't know. But excuse me for daring to assume that a woman could have her agency.

In one large company we studied, 50 per cent of women didn't return to work after parental leave. Parental leave was viewed as a cost to construction projects, with little recognition of the value it provided to women's career progression.

What a self-centered and entitled thing to say. I've never had an employer prioritize my career goals ahead of its goals. It doesn't have to matter why women bail to the tune of 50%, The fact that women choose to not be dependable like this is their choice. To assume the world of business must orbit her lifestyle decisions is ridiculous. Some business goals require steady attendance over a long period of time. Other businesses will accommodate extended leaves only if they can afford to redistribute the work to peer employees. Some executive jobs are too important to allow their executive to disappear for a long period of time, if at all. Gee, let's let President Trump choose to go have parental leave and ghost us for six months. Is that what we should expect from a female president? Nope.

It's women like these authors that parade the stupidity and conceit of women.