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    Women are defined by their need to be controlled

    I've made the realization that every culture and religion traditionally has had some form of regulation to control the chaos of women. We have tried a great "women's liberation" experiment in the west, and look where that has gotten us. Now, I am certainly not saying that things should be like they are in the middle east, or that violence against women shouldn't be socially ostracized and of course, illegal and prosecuted. However, I think if we're being honest with ourselves, the untamed essence of womanhood is defined by it's lawlessness and chaos. Of course there are also things that need to be done to rein in men - such as marriage (one could however, argue that women need marriage today in this way more than men do), but it is clear that a successful society is one which has successfully reined in feminine chaos. Unless properly conditioned, women are naturally self-serving, unrestrained beings. It is clear that they need to be tamed by masculine structures of order and proper etiquette for the betterment of us all.

    Like I said above, we've tried this unrestrained experiment in the west, and as the decades have rolled on, we've lifted more and more restrictions from women and of nature. But is it possible that the human animal is not "right with god" unless it is someway living in respect to nature or biology. Look at us today - women have run amok for decades and have amassed almost all of the cultural and societal control, and now we are in complete chaos. Honest men can't find normal, feminine women who know how to behave, our fertility rate in the west has plummeted lower than replacement, 21% of Gen Z now identify as LGBTQ of some sort, children are literally being medically and surgically mutilated on the alter of "compassion", it is now common notion that MEN can get pregnant, woman want to be able to cut the developing child out of their womb for any reason whatsoever at any time of their choosing, the list goes on.

    Empathy and compassion is typically a feminine trait. Up until about the 50s or 60s, the west was largely run on the ideologically masculine, logic and reason. We built up structures and carried out decided and calculated actions to get the best results. However, we were told this was not compassionate enough, and that we should be a bit more "caring". But empathy and compassion can be wolves in sheep's clothing if you take them to their conclusion, which is what we are seeing right now. Today everything goes, no social stigma unless it is criticism that you aren't "empathetic enough". To be metaphorically religious, if god is structure and calculated intention, Satan beckons instead that everything that feels good is great and everything goes.

    To make a long post long, I just think that, until women are in some sense contained and, let's say, "inescapably encouraged", to become pleasant, wifely beings, we won't see deep prosperity again in the west, let alone, the world. At this point, I honestly support anything that makes things harder for women (within reason). I think that we need to start putting up enough barriers and deterrents to their masculine ambitions so that they eventually reason that their best bet is to learn how to provide value to a man, and integrate into a family structure. This may seem harsh, but the truth is that no one is happier in this new model, and I think this is the only way forward in the domain of family satisfaction, which is core to humankind.

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    Re: Women are defined by their need to be controlled

    The problem with the notion of "freedom" is that it evolves to individual rights and freedom. Philosophically the west was allway to end up like this.

    The restraints you speak would be religious, when that was gone the end result was this mess. Besides, religious restraints also applied to men.


    There is no other way in our present society, "men going their own way" was not the first thing that men tried. Only after all other alternatives, men gave up and went their own way.

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    Re: Women are defined by their need to be controlled

    An interesting and insightful post to be sure.

    I have felt like this, that women need to be controlled, now I’m not so sure. Lately I’ve been leaning towards the “let it all burn” side of things. Let me explain:

    Women are all about control (some men too, but we’re talking women here).

    This can be seen in how they try to control everything and everyone around them in all aspects of life (with few exceptions). They expect control. They live control. Control is life to these people.

    When talking of the way forward however, I’m no longer sure controlling the behaviour of women is the right tack to take when it comes to the future of humanity in general.

    Control is what their very being seems to be about these days, it is their drug.

    Sometimes a junkie has to hit bottom before they see the error of their ways, so I believe it is with today’s woman. They’re high on power and control and maybe they have to see the error of their ways before they see just how wrong they are.

    Sometimes you have to let children hurt themselves so that they can learn the dangers in life.

    Enforced control will ALWAYS lead to rebellion and this is what we are seeing being played out today. Whether this control of women is real or merely perceived it doesn’t really matter.

    Yes there are problems with this type of thinking too, in that the whole of humanity will have to suffer, maybe for centuries, to allow them to learn this lesson but maybe, just maybe when we come out the other end humanity will be better off through lessons learned; that women actually mess things up more than they ever fix things.

    No amount of reasoning will convince them of their erroneous ways, they need to learn this lesson for themselves through collective experience.

    Only then does humanity stand a chance of getting past all this B.S.

    If we survive it.

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    Re: Women are defined by their need to be controlled

    Headlines of a newspaper in a far away galaxy:

    Earth destroyed, Humanity wiped out. Last woman said "women most affected"! Do you want to know more? ...

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    Re: Women are defined by their need to be controlled

    Sorry but I have to say. You have to use violence. They are the master of manipulation. Without physical violence, you have no chance to defend yourself against their mental and verbal violence.

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    Re: Women are defined by their need to be controlled

    That's why they go gaga over bad boys who not only tell them what to do but also force them to do it.

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    Re: Women are defined by their need to be controlled

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtow2021 View Post
    Sorry but I have to say. You have to use violence. They are the master of manipulation. Without physical violence, you have no chance to defend yourself against their mental and verbal violence.
    Very wrong on so many levels. If one has to use violence on a woman he's with, then he's with the wrong woman doing the wrong thing.

    I won't go near a manipulating backtalking bitch, her mental and emotional violence is no reason to get physical and every reason to get rational and make moves that eliminate her from your life, or your life from hers. Striking a woman means you missed your exit and went too far.
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    Re: Women are defined by their need to be controlled

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtow2021 View Post
    Sorry but I have to say. You have to use violence. They are the master of manipulation. Without physical violence, you have no chance to defend yourself against their mental and verbal violence.
    mgtow2021, this is how things usually worked when I was young (a long time ago) and right or wrong there was a balance of power that is not there today.

    But you can't advocate violence. Now if you've said it's too bad tuning them up is illegal, that would have been a little rough but still within the principles. The blue pill world would like nothing better than a legit reason to call us haters. Don't make it easy for them.

    [this is a warning for a principle's violation]
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    Quote Originally Posted by frog View Post
    mgtow2021, this is how things usually worked when I was young (a long time ago) and right or wrong there was a balance of power that is not there today.

    But you can't advocate violence. Now if you've said it's too bad tuning them up is illegal, that would have been a little rough but still within the principles. The blue pill world would like nothing better than a legit reason to call us haters. Don't make it easy for them.
    This kind of arousal has been outsourced to a women controlled field: sexuality. It is totally okay to put your girl or wife in chains, beat and punish her in your basement or a swinger club, let her suck a dozen dicks of strangers, let her get rammed through by all kind of guys, try out the newest dragon-like dildo on the market on her butt hole,... and many other things. You only have to pretend to have this particular BDSM kink and then it's totally okay.

    But to give her a smack in the kitchen when she throws knives at you? God forbid, that's fucking disgusting man! ...
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    Re: Women are defined by their need to be controlled

    In my opinion, women are completely irredeemable, they have taken the bite of the apple and there's no going back.
    Men need to focus, and ramp up, the development of sophisticated AI to replace these vapid creatures in everyday life. From housewives to sex companions. Men will gladly work and bring in the money if they can come home to a happy and content AI that also rocks between the sheets when nature calls.
    Let women be a distant memory and fend for themselves as the independent and strong creatures that they supposedly are.

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    Re: Women are defined by their need to be controlled

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    Very wrong on so many levels. If one has to use violence on a woman he's with, then he's with the wrong woman doing the wrong thing.

    I won't go near a manipulating backtalking bitch, her mental and emotional violence is no reason to get physical and every reason to get rational and make moves that eliminate her from your life, or your life from hers. Striking a woman means you missed your exit and went too far.
    I do not condone striking women either, unless it’s a last recourse in a dire situation. Never have and hope I never have to…

    But, not trying to slide the thread here, I believe that we as men have every right to display primordial anger. Whether it’s roaring like a lion, to let off steam, or a frustrated hand-breaking punch into a wall, to channel some energy.

    It is nearly illegal to even display righteous anger, or physically violent tendencies, albeit if they are harmless to anyone in the vicinity.

    Are we not allowed to be in THIS natural state? It is after all, perfectly natural to be angry.

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    Re: Women are defined by their need to be controlled

    Quote Originally Posted by Malinois View Post
    I do not condone striking women either, unless it’s a last recourse in a dire situation. Never have and hope I never have to…
    I never understood this preface, perhaps because it reveals the male gynocentric instinct in an instant. Notice that a lot of these men who emphatically condemn striking women and preach resorting to it only when all options are exhausted are the same men that perhaps doesn't see anything wrong with spanking a child. Think about that for a second. It has to be the last resort and the situation must be dire in order to raise your hand at a woman. Nothing raises a woman to the position of a goddess than this (a goddess in her mind and in the minds of these men). Only the gods (and the godesses) can do as they please. A mere slap from a woman would be accepted by these men, hell they might even take a kick to the groin and walk away gingerly. No wonder why these women are so bold, so comfortable with disrespecting men in private and in public. Welcome to 2022 Western man...

    Now...



    If you are not going to tolerate shit from men, why should you tolerate it from women? Why is your condemnation of physical retaliation towards people only restricted to certain gender or group of people? Blows my mind.

    I'm equal opppotunity (and this is not me talking tough) but please keep your hands to yourself or get blasted in the face, man or woman. Civilized adults should be able to use their words.
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    Re: Women are defined by their need to be controlled

    What a post!!! You have heaps of topics that can be commented on all in here, I will pick this one...

    Quote Originally Posted by Gravemind View Post
    To make a long post long, I just think that, until women are in some sense contained and, let's say, "inescapably encouraged", to become pleasant, wifely beings, we won't see deep prosperity again in the west, let alone, the world.
    Contain women to be feminine?

    Masculinity in a man brings out femininity in a woman. That is part of TRP., without one you will never get the other.

    TRP also teaches us, women will always "Shit Test" or test a man's masculinity to see how weak he is, strength in a man increases attraction in the woman. The more a woman can change a man (all women try to change men) the less attraction she will have towards him. Yes, women are there own worse enemies in maintaining a long term relationship, but this is part of female nature, you can not change that, you have to work with it to your advantage.

    With feminism out in full force now, women have been for a generation or more feminizing men/boys, this is likely where the main problem lies, the lack of masculinity in men to bring out the femininity in women. Single parent families don't help. Women want men (boys or a man/mate) to be like them but in the end find it un-attractive when men show femininity.

    Lots of damage has been done, there is no quick fix, and any fix that might come up with the idea that masculinity needs to be increased in men will be vetoed by women.

    How did we get here? Looking back in history, because history repeats it's self: It appears we are at the crest or top of our civilization. What goes up must come down, every civilization has since time began. We have lost or don't have to fight to grow any more?

    What is the plan moving forward? The WEF's plan is the 4th industrial revolution and a major population reduction plan. More or less start over, enslave most people by the very few that will be in control. Agenda 2030 is the name of the plan. How can you help? Don't eat, use fossil fuels, or fart, just die...

    It's all easier to just step aside and watch it go than trying to save a sinking ship with the bottom ripped open on the rocks.

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    Re: Women are defined by their need to be controlled

    Quote Originally Posted by Hedon View Post
    I never understood this preface, perhaps because it reveals the male gynocentric instinct in an instant. Notice that a lot of these men who emphatically condemn striking women and preach resorting to it only when all options are exhausted are the same men that perhaps doesn't see anything wrong with spanking a child. Think about that for a second. It has to be the last resort and the situation must be dire in order to raise your hand at a woman. Nothing raises a woman to the position of a goddess than this (a goddess in her mind and in the minds of these men). Only the gods (and the godesses) can do as they please. A mere slap from a woman would be accepted by these men, hell they might even take a kick to the groin and walk away gingerly. No wonder why these women are so bold, so comfortable with disrespecting men in private and in public. Welcome to 2022 Western man...

    Now...



    If you are not going to tolerate shit from men, why should you tolerate it from women? Why is your condemnation of physical retaliation towards people only restricted to certain gender or group of people? Blows my mind.

    I'm equal opppotunity (and this is not me talking tough) but please keep your hands to yourself or get blasted in the face, man or woman. Civilized adults should be able to use their words.
    I speak from the adjustments made necessary thanks to 60 years of law and social transformations.

    Modern women have a 600 lb. gorilla named Justice that will tear a man limb to limb for insulting a woman, let alone striking her. This 600 lb. gorilla can be summonsed at a moment's notice from her communicator she keeps with her at all times.

    I don't see the woman and all her shit tests, her provocations to violence, her haranguing me to the breaking point, all I see is the gorilla and the legions of men torn limb by limb in a mountain of body parts reminiscent of a 10,000 acer automotive junkyard. Here I am in junkyard central worried about scratching the paint on my shiny polished dent-free life that runs like a well oiled machine.

    MGTOW are the steel bars that keep the gorilla caged and me safe from irreparable harm and suffering.

    Hitting a woman is hitting the gorilla, because the gorilla and the modern woman are one in the same and inseparable.

    Any society that outlaws discipline, pandemonium is sure to follow. By what account are these times and this society not locked down and bound to pandemonium?

    Walk away from the ZOO and live without the gorillas, CURED!
    Corruption, like low tide, lowers all boats and smashes their hulls on the rocks.

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    Re: Women are defined by their need to be controlled

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    I speak from the adjustments made necessary thanks to 60 years of law and social transformations.

    Modern women have a 600 lb. gorilla named Justice that will tear a man limb to limb for insulting a woman, let alone striking her. This 600 lb. gorilla can be summonsed at a moment's notice from her communicator she keeps with her at all times.

    I don't see the woman and all her shit tests, her provocations to violence, her haranguing me to the breaking point, all I see is the gorilla and the legions of men torn limb by limb in a mountain of body parts reminiscent of a 10,000 acer automotive junkyard. Here I am in junkyard central worried about scratching the paint on my shiny polished dent-free life that runs like a well oiled machine.

    MGTOW are the steel bars that keep the gorilla caged and me safe from irreparable harm and suffering.

    Hitting a woman is hitting the gorilla, because the gorilla and the modern woman are one in the same and inseparable.

    Any society that outlaws discipline, pandemonium is sure to follow. By what account are these times and this society not locked down and bound to pandemonium?

    Walk away from the ZOO and live without the gorillas, CURED!
    Well, that's a justifiable reason not to hit a woman. My pet peeves are men who parrot the "never" and "not" because of any other reason than the one you explained as the gorilla.
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    Re: Women are defined by their need to be controlled

    Quote Originally Posted by Hedon View Post
    Well, that's a justifiable reason not to hit a woman. My pet peeves are men who parrot the "never" and "not" because of any other reason than the one you explained as the gorilla.
    It explains western "no go zones" where Islamic culture is incompatible with western culture's dominance over men. They see straight through western feminism for the threat that it truly is. Our present is their future and they want no part of it and willing to fight to the end.

    I knew we won the hearts and minds of the Afghani men when gender studies was forced on them. We won their allegiance to scrub every trace that we were ever there, we hardened their resolve to never be like us and their one and only sworn enemy for the foreseeable future.

    The fear of retaliation was so strong, people clung to the undercarriage of aircraft taking off.

    It's time to stop winning hearts and minds because they sure as hell aren't winning mine!

    I could rock with the Muslims more than I can rock with my own, and that's a testament to how far out of whack things truly are! Durka durka, mock Allah jihad!
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    Re: Women are defined by their need to be controlled

    Interesting... it seems that this thread got kind of derailed by this violence conversation. I first want to start by saying that this was not the intention of my post. However, I'll say that if I need to defend myself against violence, I will do so regardless of who my attacker is - I think that's the proper response here. I don't think that it's just to ask people to NOT defend their bodies from harm. Either remove yourself from the situation, or if your attacker won't let you do that, use the least amount of force necessary, and then remove yourself from the situation. That is true self-defense. I also agreed with the, "you missed your exit" take, from someone else.

    But again, the purpose of this post was mostly to advocate for a moral framework of sorts to mitigate things in the world that we know need to be mitigated. I feel like there is a sort of gaslighting that our liberal culture does to itself. It kind of just says, "yeah, people should just be able to do whatever they want, and there's no such thing as one action or way of being that is better than another". Basically, complete moral relativity and subjective truth, which I think can be demonstrated to be false (won't get into this now). I have had a couple posts on this site, and I know that I am more of a traditionalist than most MGTOWers, and I respect that difference, but my thoughts are just that we could benefit from a revert back to a stricter and more objectively moral/religious, maybe, culture. Let's be honest, what we are doing with MGTOW isn't ideal, and in reality, most of us would probably like a well behaved, submissive woman to procreate with. The reason MGTOW is a thing is because there are so many blockers to that reality right now.

    That being said, I have also been trying to wrestle with the truth that, even in more structured times, women have always been able to inflict hell upon men. I honestly don't believe that they are completely beholden, and trapped in their chaotic emotions, which is the sympathetic approach. Sure, that is probably true sometimes, but women know what they are doing, and they know how to do it. I believe that they can be rather knowingly vindictive creatures, so I guess my hypothesis is that we need to go back to conditioning this OUT of women when they are young. For example, why have we gotten rid of things like finishing schools? I see it only as a public good to teach young people what is expected of them in society, and what is acceptable behavior. There is so much gaslighting today and you can't call a woman out on misbehavior because you will be in for the inevitable pearl clutch that, "no such proper behavior exists on an objective level", and "how dare you tell me, a woman, how I should behave".

    I was going to quote some replies and respond a bit, but this got long, so I'll just post this for now.

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    Re: Women are defined by their need to be controlled

    Unless provoked, my parents were big on minding their own business. I didn't learn a thing about controlling others from them. I tried to learn so I wouldn't get done myself, but as long as I'm left alone, I could care less. Maybe women want to be controlled, I couldn't tell you. All I know is I don't want anyone who needs controlling.

    The parents were a true partnership, so that's how I roll. Least most of the time. But since women see this as a sign of weakness it was just one more nail in my beta coffin. Oh well, it saved me in the end.
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    Re: Women are defined by their need to be controlled

    What a minute. I am supposed to just let a woman attack and kill me?

    I heard all my life that women are better than me?

    I heard all my life that woman are stronger than me?

    But yet I heard all my life that we are all the same and equal?

    I don't give a fuck which one is the soup of the day. If anyone is retarded enough to put their hands on me then they get what they deserve. They better not go playing victim either cause I PROMISE I'll legally ruin their lives.

    The thing most people don't know is I wear a body cam every time I go out in public. My area is full of idiots. So if some idiot causes me problems that brings cops then I will be covered. I KNOW the cops will automatically believe them cause they are innocent whittle angels. But AFTER the cop makes the choice to blame me THEN I show my body cam to them so I can rub it in and laugh in their faces.

    After the dumb ass is cleared by the doctors to be released from the hospital then I will make sure they are arraigned while cuffed in their hospital bed. I will sue them so bad that their grand kids will be paying off the lawsuits. I am sick of being fucked with. The only job dumb ass will be able to get is welfare. McDonald's won't even hire them after I get done.
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    Re: Women are defined by their need to be controlled

    There is nothing new under the sun. Low birth rates and 'feminism' have occurred before. The result was fertile societies replacing them. There is a reason why the oldest Western institution, the Catholic Church, is against anything against fertility. There were churches in the past that did that (such as abortion) and they vanished to history.

    There is an antidote to low fertility: law. We know it used to work because it was the law in every nation on Earth. Sexual practices were constrained by law. This is why marriage has a connection with the law. These are laws against anything that blocks fertility.

    There has never been a notion that 'free sex', like free speech, exists including in the United States law. Further, compelling interest of fertility decline is reason enough to bring such laws back.

    Female manipulation ends with masculine force... the only weapon men have. Masculine force becomes the law.
    They intentionally say what we 'ought' to do instead of what we could do. For if the lion discovers his own strength, he will become uncontrollable.


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